LIVE: Patriots Postgame Show 12/15: Cardinals Recap, Players of the Game and Injury Updates
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e [Music] this episode of the Patriots postgame show is presented by DraftKings this is the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings team first down more dive to the end zone touchdown Patriots join the conversation by calling into the TPX hotline at 855 ps500 or email the show at podcast patriots.com hand off the Stevenson runs and left big hole across the 40 Cuts left at the 45 and steamrolls the defender there live from our studi inside Gillette Stadium here’s Matt Smith and we welcome you into the studios here at Gillette Stadium uh where the Patriots of just lost to the Arizona Cardinals by a score of 30 to 17 to drop to 3 and 11 on the year it’s Matt Smith with Paul pillo and Mike tuo 30- 17 the final in a game that I don’t think is as close as a score indicates Paul was that one of the first things I said to you as we were walking in here was that a fair instant analysis uh yeah I mean I didn’t think I I I personally thought the game kind of ended when Joey Sly missed the field goal in the first drive of the game I thought the Patriots had a decent drive to start of course Mike common theme you get a penalty wipes out a third down conversion you end up having to settle for a field goal that you then miss and it just kind chasing the rest just kind of spirals out of control from there one thing I would disagree with Paul a little bit I thought the key sequence to me third quarter had a little bit of a drive going the first time that they really kind of moved the ball other than that pseudo moving the ball at the beginning of the game they get down inside the five third and one stuffed fourth and one stuffed ball game yeah I mean they had a chance to get back in the game for sure I just I think I’m running out of things to say I mean this is the same team this is the same team there was no real development there was no real you know new twist or anything if if anything they looked flat coming off of the buy I don’t know if realistic how realistic it was to expect them to come out and you know look re-energized and look like they had some some new uh twists and and you know some guys coming out and playing at new levels none of that really happened um this team just looked flat to me um I I’m kind of with Paul the game started to unfold I think they had maybe two or three plays where they had 10 plus yards gains on that first drive it was like all right they coming out with a little something and then I’m with him then the penalty started uh you saw the holding call from leaden Robinson which you know soan brand it’s a guy that we’re talking about like we really need this guy to be good we want him you know we want to give him a chance and you know he’s he’s good for at least a holding call a game and and then you know the mistake started vidan low blowing blocks left and right Sachs you know it’s just it’s the same old 20 24 Patriots team nothing new about them and uh yeah I’m with Paul it was it seemed like this game was pretty much over to me once it was 10 nothing yeah and you know once you get those you know you had a chance to get a lead and instead the other team scores first and now you’re playing from behind and that’s not how the Patriots want to play I mean it’s not how any team wants to play but for the Patriots in particular I think it’s it’s hard for them to play that way and they were digging out of a hole and you know again the defense wasn’t wasn’t sharp um in this game to start especially but really never um more Miss tackle I thought it was kind of just just a lethargic performance um by most let’s put it that way uh so if we’re trying to put a posit any kind of positive spin on this um they’ve got two keepers on this roster at least one’s a cornerback and Christian Gonzalez he fared pretty well today didn’t he Paul you thought it was his best game yeah we’re going to get to the good the bad in the injur no I just want just to real quick like a I thought it was by far his best game of his career and the quarterback was decent today as well right I did not think that okay all right good we’ll get more into it then as we’ll break it down with The Good the Bad and the injured de mat now it’s time for the good pretty good it’s pretty pretty pretty good the bad hey what happened and the injured you are a g so let’s go right to this the start uh Paul follow up on that 10 for 10 for seven a whopping 71 yards in the first half um and you well what did you think of Drake May um well I had Christian Gonzalez on my good list that’s my first good I thought he was absolutely phenomenal in this game I thought he was inside Marvin Harrison’s shirt throughout the game I thought his play to break up the touchdown was was a a Next Level play um you know Matt you pointed out I think during the game that there was maybe a m tackle I mean i’ be nitpicking thought he got beat on a Crosser early in the game but uh every time they went down the field one-on-one they had him matched up and he was in really really good position this is the kind of performance I saw the ball get thrown to his guy five or six times and I think it was only like one completion and it wasn’t because the throws weren’t there it wasn’t because a guy didn’t make a play it was because Gonzalez prevented it I thought he was really good in this game unfortunately I didn’t really think anything else was all that good in this game yeah I I’m with you I thought same thing I mean it’s h thank God for him impressed by Harrison though I just how smooth he is and I mean youve seen two of maybe the smoothest athletes I think I’ve seen in the NFL going against each other I mean just doesn’t even look like Harrison’s running that fast but you know he is and he’s he’s he’s a really good player nice game by Gonzalez um just a piggy back with Paul I got one other thing to put on the good list I was going to put Antonio Gibson so I had a few other things and that was one go ahead that was there I thought he brought a spark especially at the end still running hard uh continued his good play as of late um you know I thought I me I thought rander had a pretty good day too I thought both I had both backs on my good yeah yeah I just I guess to me Gibson starting to bring an element of you know explosiveness and uh I just I I think what stood out to me was just the the run at the end where the game’s pretty much over but you know it’s such a cliche Al they’re still playing hard but but he was still running hard and uh I I like the spark that he’s bringing to this offense I wish that they could find a way to build off of it and and to make it matter more um but he he’s been a good piece for them and I think you know of it’s been really hard to find bright spots here uh as as we’re in the midst of a four gam losing streak but but I’d say he has been probably one of them yeah and I also I’m sorry Matt do you have something Stevenson was he over five yards a carry yeah 53 I had both I had both backs too well I agree with you that both of them deserve to be on the good list it’s hard to do that when it got to have its situation and I’m not saying that that’s on the back but it would help maybe if the back could help move the pile they got there was no push you know there were uh defensive players in the back field guys who lined up wide open with nobody touching them both plays got complete whiff yep complete whiff both plays like you can’t have that but I’d like to see maybe you know if somebody could make a miss or move that guy or move and on a previous fourth down play a fourth and one earlier in the in that drive I think the same thing happened only he was able to make the guy he was able to break the tackle in the in the Back Field and you got the first down by a blade of grass right yeah so like that’s three short yardage plays where they didn’t block anybody yeah like you know I it’s just I can’t CH Josh is showing the play right here they actually bounced it to the outside and he got it but he broke a tackle two yards in the back field y on that play like you have guys just are completely unblocked the third down play especially he just kind of like walked around a guy and and was in the backf defensive lineman the fourth down play was a really good play by the linebacker feeling number 51 for the Cardinals um you know you can I think you might be able to see it from here 51 flash is right there um and and he goes nowhere but the other play it’s just like look this guy that 51 is unblocked like no one no one touched him I don’t know how you can expect to get first downs on on short yardage plays if you don’t block the guys that are right in front of you so is that scheme is that Talent is it all of the above um in failing to pick up a yard there I I mean it’s just miss blocks I don’t know what to put it on I mean I don’t think there’s a scheme that’s designed to let the guy like Ben Brown I think let the guy just dance right around him on Third and one yeah I think it was brown it was either brown or Robinson I think it was brown um so I don’t think there’s any scheme that’s designed to leave a guy you know like sometimes you have like the naked boots and you know the backside end is going to be unblocked you just have to hope that he bites and you go around him and all that stuff I don’t think that’s you know on short yardage I don’t think that’s in play okay is that empty your good lists yeah that’s all I got I had Marcus Jones just for the the spark on offense um you know and sets up you know as Matt says you know you’re down 163 you’re really not in the game but you know let’s let’s play this out and see if we can put some game pressure on Arizona well Marcus Jones almost did it you know he breaks free on that and it was the same kind of play too where they threw a bunch of screens that got no yards and they didn’t have this blocked up particularly well either but he just beats these guys he gets around them and you know he’s fast enough and Elusive enough to get down the sideline it was only like a 20 yard play but it was you know it was a big play on the drive it got him down in scoring range so I gave Marcus Jones uh some love there too and it might be partly because I have a crush on Marcus Jones like like is that okay no it was a good it was a good play it was a spark I think like you said and again I mean I think some of these Goods it’s it’s just it’s too bad they can’t build off of them they were uh you know kind of on Islands the these big these good plays that the I did have initially like at the half I put like Red Zone def defense um but then they couldn’t stop anybody in the Red Zone in the second half so I kind of went away from it yeah all right so who sits a top the bad list uh I mean I mean I’ll just start with um with Ben Brown I mean I just I we talked about the snaps have been good all year all of a sudden the snaps you know two two snaps two rollers uh Paul mentioned the short yardage play which you know he was right in the thick of and I think it’s just I don’t know I’m I’m curious because we talked all week about Cole strange getting snaps at Center how many snaps at Center did he get it seems like all of a sudden Ben Brown got The Yips over the buy when we spent a lot of time wondering when Cole strange was going in at Center so I just I wonder if maybe those things are connected but um that’s that’s my first one Ben Brown Yeah I think that’s a good one um I’ll stick with the theme and just um up front um viian low non-competitive um early in the game you know the second series was just minor league and you know to the point where Ross tuer is like they have to change the game plan they need to do something to help him yeah you have been watching all year you know and you know one play gets beat um a guy off the edge in a run play stops the Run play for minus two and then the next play he gives up a a Blindside sack without even getting a hand on him so you know vidan low you know I thought Laden Robinson struggled again um that the guys up front the holding calls the the Miss blocks just just not getting it done if I may Veer off of that Paul and you’re talking about you know the way that they were calling the game was it clear because of the struggles from the offensive line or was was it part of the game plan that everything was going to be quick everything was going to be out quick because they didn’t trust the line holding up to protection you think Mike I I I don’t know I mean I saw some speculation that that maybe the game plan was they thought the Cardinals were going to Blitz a lot um that was my speculation oh yeah uh I don’t know I I just think like at the end of the day they were expecting better from their they had to be expecting better and you know I just talked about Ben Brown talked about the first holding call against Len Robinson then the two pen like it’s all starting up front and this is just a recurring weakness of this team that sets the tone for these losses and it’s not that they’re just overmatched it’s the mistakes and I I mean I think everybody would have seen that you know that first uh play that that that vieran low gave up off the edge where he’s you know the guy’s right to his left he doesn’t really it seemed like again it seemed like he might have had the wrong play call or he was thinking he was going another way or that he had help that he didn’t help have but either way it just seemed like not on the same page and these are the things at the end of the season where it’s just it’s really hard to be forgivable of this is the kind of stuff that you have to get right because it’s hard enough just to stop these guys even when you know what you’re doing yeah I I’m with I’m with Mike I I just feel like and they’re overmatched up front and I think there was a lot of Hope about well if they could just get five it hasn’t been better with with five it’s you mean continuity wise yeah and they they just struggle yeah they struggle every week and from a continuity standpoint um I think what’s telling is the same guys are going out there because they feel better about those five than anybody else that could go in to replace them which is obviously certainly now I mean yeah because like Wallace in in strange I don’t think are legitimate uh options right now I don’t think they’re ready yet physically so we’ll see what happens next wonder if is a little bit more ready after Ben Brown’s performance today I bet the coaching staff is ready yep you know yep uh who else on the bad list Mike I got to I got to keep Kyle Dugger on there um you know that that one long run where he just took a terrible angle and and went flying I mean it was just a rough play I I I don’t know what the explanation is because I think Kyle Dugger is better than what he’s playing like right now but now that he’s had a few games where he’s been playing pretty bad and it’s there’s a spotlight on him so now people are watching it and he’s kind of wilting in the sun now I mean now the more you watch him the more you notice that he’s a step late in coverage he’s bouncing off guys that he tries to tackle I mean he had one nice hit uh but was out of game was Out Of Reach at that point time down the field game’s Out Of Reach there’s no impact plays from him the only impact he’s he’s making on the team usually is is a negative one so I I don’t know what the answer is uh and maybe we’re being too you know maybe we’re because we’re aware of him we’re focusing more on him but at the same time it’s just you’re not getting anything positive out of that player right now and it’s that’s a guy you really needed to depend on this year yeah I mean Dugger is a good guy to to like lead with I had tackling in general I thought the tackling was was poor again today Matt and I were talking about it a lot during the game Mike when you were writing I know you block us out here’s a Miss tackle here where he goes up high on Conor and just yeah like that’s not going to bring James uh Connor down oh wow no just watching this Buffalo uh Detroit game it’s just like a track meet it’s unbelievable going to put 60 on these guys um so yeah I had tackling and and and Dugger um obviously the short yardage you know the the inability to convert on third and fourth and one you know we talked about that too um and Joey Sly like y you got to make field goals there’s just no positive plays from the defense that’s what’s you know troubling I mean tackles for loss I mean the throw takeaways out of it I mean that’s that’s that’s that’s hoping for too much but they just are unable to impact the game in a way that you know and I think Paul’s right like if you’re going to give them a small bit of credit it was early in the game getting a couple third down stops I don’t even think they were Red Zone stops really their High Red Zone you know around the 30 35 forcing 50 yard field goals but you know that was one positive at least like they kind of kept it close but then not for the Cardinals the Cardinals had all Chip Shot field well I mean 35 40 and oh they had W 49 y you you’re right I missed I three for three I missed the first one it was 49 my my my apologize either way that was you know that was was a little bit of P but then in the second half you don’t have that and that’s when look when games like this start unfolding you need strip sacks you need takeways and and they just they don’t put the the offense in uncomfortable positions they don’t force them into mistakes I mean I don’t I mean what did Murray end up with I mean he completed 23 of 30 so he competed 77% of his passes that’s the under though it was it by a yard and a half oh my God what are the sharps no um 226 and A2 he threw for 220 well an old two and half yard an old ball coach uh used to always talk about complimentary football and that’s where there’s that’s severely lacking with this team because while they didn’t really make any stops they got Arizona off the field to start the third quarter they didn’t do anything really it was more probably a byproduct of Arizona as much as what the Patriots did but the Patriots then had the ball after the first drive of the third quarter is you’re talking about uh did did they make a where did they they didn’t punt huh I mean I think they only punted once the whole game except for when Murray got hurt they had a punt I think they got him off the field one time they made him kick a field goal once yeah yeah and so that’s why I said like I had the Red Zone thing because they had to kick two short field goals at the end of the first half in the beginning of the second half right they had the double score but they were two field goals instead of two touchdowns but then the next two times they went in the Red Zone they went right into the yeah I mean they scored points on six out of eight drives right so defense was non-competitive the fact that they didn’t give up the touchdown on that particular play and then the Patriots offensively with the one time to try to make it even somewhat of a game and they are unable to do so there there’s no complimentary aspect whatsoever I agree with you about that and I would say also you know what’s the most important down third down third down right Cardinals 10 for 15 yeah Patriots a lot Patriots 0 for six yeah and I thought where the Cardinals really made hay and for two on fourth down right they really were good on first down Arizona you know they earn a lot of third and man third manageable because they did very well on first down when you run the ball and your guy doesn’t get touched until six yards down the field at most you know that’s I mean that that’s the problem is you’re losing the line of scrimmage you know that’s consistently I mean how many times you know they had a couple runs where they were going to the sideline and like that’s a little too long but you know pretty much anything they wanted to go up the middle they were going to get do whatever they want right who else on the bad list Paul that’s all I had h low yeah yeah ah I just I had I had a little uh snafu for Douglas with the fumble um you know just I had that written down yeah I don’t know if we need to to kill him with that one and I just say you know Anthony Jennings is kind of like you giveth I like that you know I like the force fumble I like the punch out I mean it’s a game of inches if you know maybe the lineman catches it you know two feet more out of it’s a Touchback but potentially huge play that’s how it goes and I mean I do think Anthony Jennings is one guy who is lost in the shuffle a little bit but has made some plays here and there this season yeah he’s you know he’s not you not going to build the defense around him but he’s a complimentary type of player role type player that I think on a good team you’d like to have players like that yeah yeah I mean I think that’s that’s a great way to put it he’s a good role player I wish that they could play him in the role that he’d be best at opposed to too many snaps right be a rotational kind of a guy and and be able to focus on what he does best and you know now they’re kind of requiring more of him and and I think over I mean it’s just it’s just hard to judge individual guys on the defense when they’re just they’re getting pushed around and and you know it’s it’s got to be frustrating to play when like I said six out of eight drives you go out there you’re giving up points you’re just you’re not you’re not pushing back against these offenses what did I miss on the injury front if anything I think just Christian Ellis Christian Ellis was listed questionable head but I did not see um the play that had happened and I’m not aware if he came back or not I don’t believe he did but um but I lost track of that one so once again they come out of the game fairly hole sure even if they lose from an injury standpoint that’s what I meant yeah all right Paul um I want to go back to this because I was a little taken aback um there’s no Drake May on your good or bad list which means you think Drake May was me uh he was fine yeah he was I don’t think he was he was certainly not on anywhere near the bad list yep I don’t put any I don’t really put any of this on Drake may but he didn’t really do anything to help it either um I didn’t the only thing I could say negative about about him two plays one I thought it was as predictable as can be that he was going to take a shot on the first play of the second half I called it at halftime threw into double coverage got away with it um and then he overthrew a wide open booty on a play yep where he kind of sprayed one but you he’s getting snaps rolling back to him guys not blocking Blindside sacks like this was nothing to do with Drake May a shot play right like I just didn’t I didn’t like the decision on that play but uh over overall I I wouldn’t put any any of this on Drake May right none just watching this play here with booty it’s like you just you can see how hard it is to create separation Down’s the spray job that you were talking about right here yeah he’s wide open there um so all of his really positive work came down three scores in the fourth quarter right twice two he had two drives that were meaningless in the fourth quarter and he still only threw for 200 yards so can’t put him on the good list but but he’s nowhere near the bad list no but I think what I was trying to say at the beginning Paul is they have two players on the roster that are really good players and good they look to be good players Gonzalez and may yeah everything else uh there’s an opportunity to upgrade yeah I I was really impressed with Gonzalez today I I feel like I’ve been not critical but skeptical of the agulation that he gets um and I would even say today the broadcast was F fell into that category but I thought he was really really good in in the game today and I’d like to see more of that I’d like to see him like just trailing the other team’s best receiver all the time not once in a while not when they line up the way you want them to line up like against the Rams I want him taking out one of those two guys MH you know NOA or or cup whoever you decide I don’t care you decide you know but today you know and listen Marvin Harris is playing his 14th game he’s had kind of a quiet rookie season he hasn’t been great but he made him look every bit like a rookie he dominated I thought I thought he dominated Harrison this is I mean this is kind of I think what they’ve been doing is is taking the you know the 15 to 20 yard shots to him at times and Gonzalez just such good athleticism able to stick with these guys they they just I mean he just wasn’t creating the separation he needed to make those plays but yeah it’s uh it’s definitely a silver lining this year but I’m with you Matt it’s it’s those two guys you didn’t really notice Christian barmore today you didn’t really notice Keon white um had a sack on but there was a hold so it came back but those are the you know kind of the where are your building blocks younger guys that you’re hoping to like especially now like all right three games left now and you know that’s why you come out come out of the buy with all these somewhat Grand expectations of like who could play great in this you know could if Jaylen poke had 20 catches in this game you know and then you get to the game and you realize no there’s no magic solution over the week off it’s and unfortunately they didn’t really have anything new in the bag this time and and they came out flat they look worse I mean that’s that’s worse than the product we saw the last time they were on the field that’s for sure one thing the announcers did that I thought was interesting I haven’t noticed it because I’m usually listening to the TV copy I thought the announcers made a um concerted effort to talk about the fact that the wide receivers get no separation it’s really the first time I’ve heard that all season long you know now where uh uh 14 games in and I thought they just stated it matter of fact because it is it is matter of fact they get no separation and so when we’re they’re asking the quarterback to do everything I don’t think the ball to booty was textbook perfect but it was absolutely catchable and for the second straight week they got a tip ball that goes as an interception to the other team you know I think the quarterback could have done a better job in the goal line play against Henry but still that was a catchable ball and this was a catchable Ball by booty um when when there’s plays to be made it’s very rare that the wide receivers make them uh Bourne made a nice play in garbage time uh down the sideline went up and fought for a ball and caught it but by that time the game’s out of hand no I mean look at Greg dorch we we always laugh love his last name dorch it’s fun to say wasn’t fun to watch today but who’s he and he’s got multiple cat you know the Patriots receivers each of each of them like make one play a game and oh there it was um you know real quick just in a side and not to derail the postgame show but uh I assume you guys read you know Mike Reese’s notes uh today with um with Jobe brasset saying you know people have to look at the tape to see what I was dealing with uh I just I I found that really interesting of you know jacobe brette really I think kind of calling out the line the line the receivers I mean I take what you will I mean he he was leaving it kind of vague but at the same time it felt to me like jacobe brette is kind of highlighting the things that we’re talking about right now that they struggle to even though you have continuity on the offensive line they’re inconsistent there’s Miss blocks still and the same thing with the receivers they they’ll make a catch for you but then they’re going to make a catch for the other team or they’re going to miss one and it’s it’s it’s just an impossible way to live now when you look at you know a game like Buffalo and and and the Lions right now which is 48 to 35 with 157 left uh not to saying that they have to be that but you see that these teams have found ways to consistently execute and that’s what the Patriots haven’t found and I’m just a messenger here but at 3 and 11 Losers of four straight and with three games left next on the docket for your New England Patriots is a trip to Orchard Park to take on the Buffalo Bills now you might catch him in a decent spot here crazy as that sounds many points too many points cuz they were geeked up these against Detroit who do they lose to oh and the Rams you know two really tough games against two really good teams is it possible they look past the Patriots although with the Mahomes injury now maybe the number one seed in the AFC is back in play they’re not going to let up for sure um but a daunting task plus they need to try to get the two seed is is huge like I think lost today right so they Pi lost but like people keep saying well Buffalo will rest their players in the last game because it won’t matter like see the number two seed is enormous right it’s enormous you get the two home games and if Kansas City which is flawed as we think could bounces out like you might H in the AC they like listen they don’t want to play Kansas City because Kansas City has knocked them out of the playoffs but they don’t care where they play Kansas City they’ve gone into Kansas City and beaten him in the regular season they can do that they just haven’t been able to beat him anywhere in the in the playoffs but they’re going to play for the number two seed minimum I think Matt makes a really good point about mahomes’s injury there’s a chance they they have I believe they have two games in 11 days but I believe it’s hu it’s three in 11 days right counting today right but it’s but it’s Houston and Pittsburgh those are losable games you said losable games with Mahomes with Mahomes those Carolina was a losable game with Mahomes right they won on a on a walk-off field goal right like they can lose to anybody they’re not blowing anybody out even today jamus Winston was awful we threw three picks they still only won 21 to7 so there’s there’s not really a whole lot of offense they finally covered didn’t they they did Cover today sorry Mike finally I knew that was gonna happen as soon as I decided to all that was The Good the Bad and the injured we’ve got much to discuss and we want to hear from you this is the Patriots postgame show and it’s sponsored by DraftKings stay tuned because you’ll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show Draft Kings the crown is yours we’ll further analyze the Patriots 30 to 17 loss to Arizona right after this timeout without good blocking your team’s not going anywhere Cisco blocks cyber attacks for customers around the world including the entire Fortune 100 and the NFL because when the game is on the line and it’s always on 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TPX hotline at 855 ps500 or email the show at podcast patriots.com now live from our studios here is Matt Smith and we welcome you back inside jet Stadium where the p Patriots lost today to the Arizona Cardinals in Arizona 30 to 17 their fourth straight loss to move to 3 and 11 on the year three games remaining on the schedule at Buffalo and then they uh finish out the air with two home games the Chargers date to be determined and we’ll know that tomorrow and then they host Buffalo so they get the bills two out of the next three weeks as promised we want to hear from you this is from Anthony in potown Pennsylvania who and this is where the Patriots are unfortunately at this point in time we’re talking about the draft I like a draft scenario where the Patriots draft edge with their first pick potentially Carter then trade back into the first round for another need fit any chances happens or not enough assets to trade secondly what do you believe the Patriots will attack first in free agency with aggression being Paramount that’s uh yeah Anthony and potown I like it Anthony uh yes I do think they have enough ammo to get back up they you know penil in for 10 picks right now so they they do have some ammo uh um and yeah I mean I I mentioned cornerback I think that’s a strong class I think there’s some good Defenders up front maybe to consider um I talked about Dr greena unfortunately got hurt again he came back kind of quick I think from the you know Achilles tear last year and uh reinjured him I reinjured I’m not sure exactly what the injury was the other night he hurt his KNE hurt his knee uh so that was unfortunate that was just the name I was thrown out there but it’s just it’s unfortunate there’s not a bunch of tackles available that you feel great about uh there’s not after T Higgins a lot of wide receivers in their 20s that are projected to be number one guys those that’s what you’d love to have if you could you know design a perfect free agency offseason so I think they’ve got to use their money wisely they’ve got to look if quarterback I think quarterback 2 is a need go out get a 1A you know get a 1B I mean you got Gonzalez is a 1A will go out and throw some money at a guy and you know might seem redundant to some people but that’s what the market dictates this year so make the most of it and and get a really talented player they need talent as I said they’ve got a bunch of players under contract they need they don’t need bodies they need talent they need guys who are you know can make a difference in these games here’s a silly one but I’ll ask it anyway can they go wrong are are the needs so vast that other than Mis evaluating the player can they go wrong with wherever they select I mean I I I just obviously I’ll just say this I think if they go into next season and the offensive line doesn’t have you don’t have some kind of belief that they might have solved it because I think going into this year we all thought maybe I didn’t clarify when they draft other than the evaluation of the player yeah does it really like there’s so many needs everywhere unless you’re drafted a running back you know that’s about that’s pretty much it that’s pretty much it I think Matt makes a good point Mike and I have talked about it a lot on pu that’s the one silver lining to being 3 and 11 is there’s almost no position that they don’t need all right and so here’s the next one I’m going to ask you uh and you guys lived through it as many of us did last year the Patriots finished 4 and 13 uh it looked bad it was bad they were bereft of talent it was not a good year which year is worse uh this one still has some time to i’ play i’ I’d probably say this one I don’t know if it’s recency biased but as much as it’s great to have Drake may I I think last year you knew you didn’t have a quarterback but I think you still could have convinced yourself that you had some other pieces um and then it wasn’t quite as Barren in the cupboard and I think this season has made you feel like not only do the cupboards Look Bar and you know how do you believe in the coaching staff that’s taking over this team and and they haven’t really gotten better there’s nothing really to point to and say well this is a sign that they’re headed in the right direction that’s what we all wanted we just wanted to end this season feeling like we’ve got a quarterback and the team is headed in the right direction I I can’t say I feel that way right now I feel like yeah they got a quarterback but we’ve seen plenty you seen plenty of teams out there that have a quarterback and have nothing else and they just spin their wheels for years until you know that that opportunity wastes itself so they got to get better and they got got to get better in a hurry and they got to find talent and uh and and the fact that the bills and the lions are putting up over almost 1100 yards of offense out here I mean the bills alone2 the bills alone have 560 yards offense they got to play the Patriots defense next week in Buffalo so you would talk about no punting I mean and that and that was a defense that I mean not that they were you know I think we can debate about how good that that defense really was but even still like they had some real veterans on there who had won Super Bowls that you know you didn’t see that com in the no punt thing so this matchup it’s going to be an interesting week talking about how do you slow down this this offense with this defense Paul care a comment on H the better team the 23 outfit or the 24 outfit yeah it’s an interesting argument that Mike made I I mean I don’t know I don’t know which team was better or worse but I thought last year felt worse than this because they just they they never ever had a flicker of offense at least with Drake May um I I feel like that they’ve they you know they’ve moved the ball at times now today wasn’t a strong day for my argument but like last week was uh I thought they moved the ball and just struggle to finish drives but last year it was just like punt punt punt um yeah maybe it’s because of Drake May and solely because of Drake may but I feel this year is a little bit better and I know a lot of people have been hammering the defense and they should I don’t think the defense has played well I think people deceive themselves maybe it’s this is why I’m not as disappointed I think people deceived themselves into thinking the defense was fine it was all M Jones last year and they didn’t realize all the different and I’ve said this a million times won’t go over it again all the backup quarterbacks they played they’re not playing backup quarterbacks Kyler Murray didn’t tear his ACL in the third play of the game today like he did two years ago whenever that was two years ago right like that’s when they you well Lions think they might have this onside kick with 12 Steve gusowski special that they just dialed up there I don’t know for all those of you old enough to remember how the Patriots used to attack pack it um on the onside kick strategery we’re going to go to the phone lines here in a second uh Red Zone Paul is waiting for the officials to just point pulling guys off the pile who who got the ball it’s just a lot of pointing bills a pointing their way L’s a pointing their way referees aren’t saying anything just a lot of standing around tell you the Bills play some exciting games Dawson Knox is jumping up and down now so I don’t know if he got word still don’t see anything from the refs Bill bills are all pointing oh and there we go some half-hearted points points from the Lions still that you know just I don’t think they believe though uh Matt uh submit that for an that was good radio right there Taran Johnson Award winner he’s getting up he’s getting up with the ball whether they like it or not uh should I do my Francesa there’s a there’s one ref is one two three uh DeShawn in West Virginia you can kick us off tonight on the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings hi desan hello guys sorry La Virginia not West Virginia sorry well then U I apologize okay no that’s sign basically I want to explain uh because it’s gonna be redundant anyway so basically you know T is obviously the issue but I wanted to explain something else when you guys read that email um a had a better plan when it came when it came to the draft situation I know Paul GNA is going to come out me with this one Whatever but I think that if um if they have to get in that one and two spot because there’s a major premium at the QB position they could play hard ball with the ra if they happen to far survive winning at least two out three gamees and with the pat being there so that way he can try to trade back of whatever um you know one of those teams if the Raiders don’t want to give up at least like two uh uh uh like a first round next year and two U second round picks then they be uh four other teamers in the back like the P like the Panthers like the Tennessee Titans like the Browns or like the Saints as they continue F the down the line that’ be willing to go for a quarterback who um what quarterback do you like no no no no I’m talking about like there’s a premium at the position right only two guys yeah there’s a premium at the position there just aren’t any my my point is I don’t think there’s anybody worth trading up for I’m PR sure those teams would because because they prob in desperate situation I’m pretty sure those teams would yeah I don’t think I don’t think they would I think it’s one thing to to roll the dice and take a chance on a guy if your pick comes up but it’s another thing to give up multiple the on guy like I don’t I don’t think either one of these two guys worth now if you were talking about this past year I think there was a reason why the Giants were looking to move up they they liked Drake May and somebody I can’t remember who said this morning uh with Sanders being the number one rated quarterback where would Sanders rate if he had come out last year and everybody said he would have been the fourth ranked quarterback I I think he would be sixth I think he might replace mck I think he might have replaced Nicks but I think Penn and McCarthy are better than him Y no hey and bonick looks to be working out okay for Denver you know I’m not telling you he’s a franchise guy but they’re Payton’s doing all right they win they’re winning games I think Payton’s doing a good job and we threw a couple picks today um thanks for the call Des Shan I think he’s M Jones light he’s an athletic MC Jones athletic M Jones yeah he can run Christian from Los Angeles is next in the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings hi Christian hey hey you guys I’ve been uh doing line for a little while um so unlike everybody else this year I think we saw what we saw and let’s go on and project and move on I mean I’m so crazy I’m thinking we play Drake May one more game and then maybe showcase Joe Milton or something crazy like that but as far as the draft goes we got to stop with the trading back and trying to get value we need Elite guys so we go with Travis Hunter he solves two problems he he makes you know with Christian Gonzalez he makes it a no fly zone on defense or you play them elely on offense maybe third down packages or whatever else and then second round you got to go tackle and then maybe third round this is a really big Edge class so we go edge there but we have to solve last year’s needs first before moving on to you know the next set of what needs are we got our quarterback let’s get our receiver slash impact player and then let’s get a tackle how do you guys see that see that playing out um I think thanks for the call Christian I think it’s a good point here’s the only thing I would just you know it’s December 15th like I don’t think we can sit here today uh and say unequivocally they should do this or they should do that they should be like if there’s a trade to be made to get them more assets as we just said they’ve got two players that we can feel really good about on this roster and a lot of other holes if they’ve got more chances and more swings get more chances and more swings they need it um and I’m not you know if I I I don’t know enough about the board or anything like that but if they’re going three to six 3 to seven hopefully they’re still a really good player at six or seven you know I I don’t think this draft the little that I know about it right now has a ton of generational Talent there’s Talent there but I don’t know if it’s as loaded at the top it might be more of a middle class draft I’d just say with Hunter I mean I don’t I don’t necessarily believe that he’s going to fill the need at wide receiver I feel like he’s redundant with what they’re going to have with with Marcus Jones and and pop Douglas as those kind of you know interior quick guys I I I just I don’t think he’s going to play enough of a role on offense to feel like I think that might be a bonus and you can mix him in on offense a little bit but I don’t see him checking a need I’m not going to rule that guy out he’s just too gifted to to say no no we don’t want him we don’t need him um but I do think you got to see how free agency plays out before you know exactly what I agree with Mike about Travis Hunter I think he can be an Elite Corner um I don’t see Elite skills as a wide receiver I think he’s a guy that might be able to to fill in but you’re not either way you’re not solving two needs you’re not filling two needs like I don’t think it’s realistic to expect him to do what he’s doing College in the NFL correct um at that level um but I would be absolutely in favor of drafting Travis Hunter um and I like his plan of you know the tackle in the second round and and having Edge uh in mind the whole trade down thing I on the surface I don’t want to trade down but I want I need to know what the trade is before I say say no you know I if if they can if they can um you know hold somebody up and if it’s a herel walker job yeah like if you can get if you can get like a a not huge drop down in the first round like do what the the previous caller said about the quarterback uh Deshawn I think wanted to you know see if someone would be tempted to take the quarterback so say they get up to two and someone wants to move up four spots three spots and they’re going to give you like a a one next year maybe the their their two this year like I I’d strongly consider that to drop a handful of spots and get a couple of extra high picks I I would I would think strongly about that I you not have to do it now but Chris and Josh have put up the draft order as it stands today um I do remind you the Patriots have three games left two against the bills one against the Chargers they will not be favored in all three of those games so uh just there’s there’s things that could happen they’re not cemented in at number three right now I think number three might be the floor as to where they’re going to be you know yeah I I I’d probably agree with that I mean I I do see you know some Intrigue of getting up to two and and you know wondering if someone’s willing to make a trade up for do something cam kind of a thing uh it’s possible and and you have I think they did have the the you know a mock draft kind of up there I mean that’s where those two tackles Go I mean you’re looking at it right now where you look down at Will Campbell going seven in this projection and and Kelvin Banks going at nine those are probably the two ranked tackles even though some question if they are actually tackles especially with Campbell uh but I mean that makes sense I mean that’s where you’re saying look this is a need that we could check um but there are plenty of guys that are fans of T McMillan and obviously the Travis Hunter people are out there and and I love that I love me some Abdul Carter too so I think you can make a case for all those kind of things that’s like it goes back to what you said Matt they they need it all and you can make a case pretty much for any anybody except the quarterbacks on on that top 10 all right so uh a lot of things that have been stuffed down our throats the last few years are value you know you’re not going to take somebody at three um that wouldn’t necessarily go until 8 or n because the value isn’t right I guess my question to you is if you if you’re saying that you need to build your offensive and defensive lines because you’re tired of getting the sand kicked at you every single week by losing the line of scrimmage does it matter if you’re a three we need a tackle and I don’t care if he’s a seventh ranked guy or the ninth ranked guy we’re going to take a tackle I mean if you believe in the player I mean I just if you believe in the player sure and that’s what I you know look like look the whole offense is pretty much coming back like this whole offense that we watched today they’re all back everybody I mean it’s Austin Hooper like they got to figure him otherwise on a one-year deal though right on a onee deal so I mean you can but regardless it’s it’s not like you’re saying well we need some depth pieces too like you you just need to start raising the talent level and getting rid of some of the low-end guys that you’ve picked up along the way that you know might have been practice squad guys that you’ve given a chance to try to Blossom and they haven’t blossomed so those kind of players it doesn’t matter you can cut them there’s no there’s no real uh Damage Done by not hitting on those kind of guys so they just it’s not a matter of of quantity they need quality yep all right uh let’s go Brandon in Atlanta is next on the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings hi Brandon hey what’s up um yeah I just uh I had a couple of or a few comments I wanted to make and now and I’ll hang up and let y’all finish our discussion uh first thing I think um Cal Dugger should be forced to walk back from Arizona to Foxboro um secondly I think G Sean booty should be off this team not only because he’s clearly a liability but I hate hearing his name during the broadcast and lastly uh raran L should be off this team also I actually think he should be arrested and thrown in jail for his crimes against pro football um I appreciate all y’all do to get us P Nation people through these losses that we have to deal with yeah I have to go all right Brandon some pretty rational um uh consequences you walk the you under performers in his mind I get the frustration though it’s uh look it’s it’s you feel like you’re kind of on a treadmill watching the same game every week and I I assume a lot of people were probably like me when they came out in those first couple plays and you know had some good runs there were some holes there um made a couple plays and then as soon as the mistake started it just kept going and it was amazing it was like one holding call and it was like well okay I guess it’s not going to Happ this week like the the holding call like preceded a a checkdown to try to get in field go that that didn’t work but they got lucky because the the Cardinals went offside so it gave him another chance so now the check down did get him in field goal range in which case then they then missed the field goal like it’s like one mistake and they’re done yeah for the game you know correct uh this is Robert emailing with the assumption that Mayo was coaching for his job in the last four games what would be his best argument in keeping his job after today’s game what is his pitch for the final three and uh Robert is emailing that and I would disagree about the assumption that Mayo is coaching for his job it’s a hard position to be but but but that but that narrative is out there with a certain amount of the fan base and let’s agree that Robert maybe believes that as well sure I mean and two two of those three are going to be against Buffalo that that looks for most Parts even against defenses that are pretty good Unstoppable uh it’s it’s going to be a huge challenge it’s a huge challenge I mean it almost makes me interested to watch it even though it’s probably going to be pretty painful but I mean they’ve got to figure out something so they don’t get run off the field I mean people were still how long do we talk about the no punts in the 2021 playoff game like I mean this has the potential to to make that look bad I if they if they keep playing this way and don’t really have any any punch back and it’s just it’s hard to see where they’re going to find it at this point in the season if you don’t got it you don’t got it well and as we started and we kicked things off we talked about that there hasn’t been really a lack of an effort but we’re at that time of the year 3 and 11 you know holiday Season’s Upon Us and you wonder when business decisions start taking over as opposed to just balling out that’s what’s hard too I mean I don’t know if the players will feel the same way as I do right now but just the frustration of it’s the same thing like and how much work did they put in this week and you know all the speeches that you’re talking about let’s finish right let’s put good tape out there for not just this team but for all the other teams that are going to be considering us and then to go out and and and have a kind of a team loss like this like a loss where it’s not like one or two guys like screwed up it was just no you just you just got beat you got beat up and down the field scored on six of eight drives that’s I mean just you’re not you’re not playing defense you’re not punching back in any way and it’s it’s got to be a daunting task to go up to Buffalo and and try to figure out a way to slow down Josh Allen from just going up and down the field like he’s you know on a slay ride all seriousness the but the biggest hope you have next week is if they just overconfidence well not overconfident but just like they just had they had two Barn burners on the road yeah you know they didn’t show up to play against the Rams they you know they writed themselves after they gave up the block punt for a touchdown and and gave themselves a chance to get back in it then they were able to get themselves you know back ready to go in this game but that’s the only chance is that they’re a little tired and not ready to play next week because of these two you know tired you know mentally interested I mean like we just we just played the ram we just went up and we put 40 plus on the Rams in the in the lions in back-to-back games now we’re playing a three and 11 team we don’t really need our a game today human nature would suggest that they can suffer let down the problem is is they’re let down instead of scoring 45 next week they might only score 32 right and then then and not play well and doing but I would say that if I were buffalo would I’d be lary of I’m not saying this is going to happen I’m playing Devil’s ADV um I’d be you know like you’re not ready to go you’re not going to score 40 but maybe you turn the ball over a couple of times in the first half and um you give them free points all a sudden you give them you know you give them uh hope early in the game where the Patriots have no margin of error Buffalo has a wide margin of error you know Dean and Liverpool writes it’s just really painful viewing at the minute the run defense is absolutely pathetic it was like Moses parting of the sea offensively we didn’t get anything going into the last quarter by then the game was gone tough first three quarters for Drake No separation from receivers and then when he did he overthrew boute unlucky with the interception continue to show great fight and getting two touchdowns the sooner this is over says Dean the better um and the emails pouring in Fast and Furious I might uh add and I mean then this this Bills team might be the the toughest challenge of the whole year especially going this week going there I mean this team knows you mean last year you beat them I’m sure that’ll be the game that Sean mcder puts up on the film last year when they came in here and lost to the Patriots uh but you know stranger things have happened been talking a little about 2004 I’m sure you guys remember that with uh Miami pulling off an improbable victory over the 2004 Patriots down the stretch um so you know maybe you can talk yourself into that one but just based on the la how these last four games have gone for the Patriots where it’s been up and down you know maybe you can say this was the down week and I think it’s what twice in a row we’ve heard Alex velt say feel like we took a step back last week and then you take a step forward maybe next week they do take a step forward but uh I certainly am not counting on it and it would be you know surprised to see if they if they find a new gear in any aspect here over these last three games uh the email address is podcast patriots.com Jake from Australia here no not from him he he says I’d usually say good day but it definitely hasn’t been a good day three items um again with the rough treatment of adaran low he needs to be released as soon as they get back number two new offensive and defensive coordinators next year I will happily argue AP isn’t uh to praise for May I also know it’s hard to make chicken salad with chicken you know what but my God it’s horrible to watch three Jake is saying they’ve lost the locker room that’s it thanks for something uh thanks for helping out today I would disagree about losing the locker room but they’ve got three to go and who knows lot I have no idea if he has or doesn’t have the locker room I have no clue on that I don’t think that coming off a buy that was as uninspired a performance as you could have it’s just hard for me because you know jono’s just never been a coach before and I don’t know how rare this is to have a coach of your NFL team that’s never you can’t look back to a previous coaching experience and be like you know here’s where he had success here’s you know his style this is what he wants to do he was just such a great unknown and you know it’s really hard right now to to believe you know like that’s the bottom line is you know as a coach you want to believe that you’re telling your players things that are going to put them in position to be successful that you’re giving them the answers to the test as the cliche goes and you know what point do you feel like well does he know the answers to the test because we’re coming in here every week and it kind of looks the same we’re not seeing Improvement we’re not really uh and and I’m as surprised about that as anybody because I I would tell you I truly believe that just by simply practicing every week that a football team has to kind of get better like working together like there has to be some I know how hard these guys work I don’t think that that’s BS so it’s just I but I don’t see see it and that’s what’s disheartening is that I know they’re putting the work in there should be some improvement but it’s the same brain fart mistakes and the same thing in the same game over and over and over again and you want to tell me anything the only thing I’ll the only hill I’ll die on right now is that Drake May’s pretty good and Christian is also pretty good any other Hill I’m not I’m not defending that Hill uh you know to the death all right uh this is admittedly this is an odd one to um to touch upon they go out for the coin toss the Patriots win the toss and they choose to receive the ball I kind of like it a because it’s different it’s not what everybody else is doing is the coach trying to make a statement to his team we need to start fast Mike as you pointed out they had a couple good plays you know positive plays pick up a first down maybe something’s going on here maybe they will score you know and then the penalty and they crumble now the crumble ends with a missed field goal not like it just it wasn’t you know they didn’t go uh they weren’t finished but the coach trying to Kickstart things by taking the ball first and that does nothing to help them do that they miss a field goal and now they’re chasing because the other team scores first yeah yeah I mean it was a really interesting choice I mean we’ve talked a lot about that with I usually like to defer and I mean maybe they just wanted clear head space to get into that game and let their rookie quarterback we’ve got you know our plays scripted that we know we want to open with we’ve been working on them we feel good about it we’re going to you know but then if if you’re so good on them then why you know you’re making mistakes on them yeah yeah I do think that it was interesting because I think they felt like it’s really important what Matt said to get off to a good start and they don’t want to fall behind so they they they felt good about their plan I guess and they wanted the ball first and they figured if we can get a lead you maybe we can play this game on our terms um I would defer you know 9,000 times uh uh you know every day like I I I would just prefer to defer because it always gives you a chance to to get consecutive possessions and I think that’s an advantage in an NFL game there are times where it it you know it can make sense and if that was the the line of thought today for Gerard Mayo I I think that you could make an argument for that that getting the lead was important for this team and that’s what he wanted to do he certainly can’t have a great amount of confidence in his defense right now nope uh this is Floyd and Redford Michigan asking what are some and he uses quotation marks here signs that a new head coach in their first year has their program headed in the right direction and that’s from Floyd and Redford Michigan right now at 3 and11 that’s hard to see isn’t it I don’t I have nothing to say I don’t know they’ve showed no signs of that no I’ll say that but what are some signs just generically um I would have said before today you’ve seen some of those in Carolina now they got kind of uh they they played more like Carolina the first half of the Season today today at home against a you know a banged up Dallas team what do you say boat raced they get boat raced today yeah what is boat raced mean by the way boat raced is kind of what the Patriots got um like they were never in it um Panthers were in it but they kept turning the ball over and I think Bryce young looked a little bit more like early season Bryce young today but they had previous to that they had one two in a row then they lost on the last play of the game to Kansas City in overtime after fumbling in field goal range they lost an or time to Tampa Bay and then lost another game um to Philadelphia last week at Philadelphia that Xavier Legette dropped a potential go-ahead touchdown in the final minute that’s a sign that a young team is sort of buying in and establishing something and I’m not I’m not talking about effort per se because I don’t I say this a million times I don’t see a lot of games where I don’t I I openly see guys not trying um but it’s a it’s a passion like it’s you know and it’s not a faux passion like Patriots got call the Patriots got call for that that very very questionable rough in the passer that overturned the interception today right you know I didn’t think that was a penalty on Anthony Jennings quite frankly um then the next play they get like a string they string out James Connor for like no gain on a sweep and the sideline just explodes with excitement and enthusiasm like all right so we just got kind of screwed by a bad call so now we’re going to show everybody how hard we’re playing we’re going to make sure everybody knows it and we’re going to celebrate like one you know mundane run stop in the middle of a game in which they couldn’t stop the run yeah you know like that’s is that enthusiasm misplaced Paul because I think you’re saying I think both of you guys said you thought they came out flat would you want to see maybe a little bit more of that emotion at the beginning of the like I I don’t know I just don’t think they’re very good like I don’t I don’t think that they the effort is an issue I know we’re going to hear that a lot this week Matt I I know it Mike what what is that what we what do I always do what do I always tell you Mike what I always tell you the week’s narrative before it happens you’re going to hear a lot of they they’re not playing for Mayo they weren’t ready that was the best they could do coming off of B you’re going to hear a lot of that they they they’re not playing hard they didn’t play they weren’t ready to play they’re not good they’re not good enough right now to go you know across the country and play a team that was desperately fighting for its playoff life yep yep that was a predict that’s why we all picked Arizona correct all three of us everybody except for Fred and we can we can forgive Fred because you know he’s Fred um but that was a very predictable final score like Reese and I do all access with Matt every week we try very hard to to make an argument Mike Reese and I both picked Arizona you know I don’t think that that means that you’re not trying I don’t think that means that you’re you’re not prepared you’re not you’re flat or whatever I just don’t think they have the horses right now to to compete and the next three weeks they’re playing the number two seed is the are the Chargers in the playoffs or on the outside looking they’re in the playoffs but they got they got boat race today okay so my point is that’s a very important 40 to 17 I say I’d say that’s very important game for the Chargers and you know not an enviable position to be for the patriots who are lacking on the talent end of things really bad in that case uh this is Lucas from Rochester who writes Drake was awesome I don’t know why it takes us being down so much to get decent play calling maybe it’s a soft Zone but I’ve been a defender of ABP all year this game has completely shaken my confidence get the Drake the Heisman for a Christmas gift somebody wants Travis Hunter let’s go back to the phone lines and check in with our pregame show emailer SP in Fresno SP your next to the Patriot’s postgame show presented by Draft Kings hi speed What’s happen first I pray props to to Brandon I think it was the caller from Atlanta that was pretty funny I was giggling list of three Terrible Things um but uh and and also praise to you guys as inspired and I got myself a delicious blueberry glaze doughnut was on my good list so thanks for uh yeah thanks for uh your service to my pudgy holiday body um I I wanted to I wanted to do a little rant or ask you guys some questions about or good friend Marcus Jones um am I right he had like an 18 yard cashing run today right yes yeah so I I can’t quite figure I think that he’s best um well probably special teams then offense then defense but I don’t know you me rank it different but that’s how I see it but I can’t figure out why they don’t have a more consistent play for him on the offense and the other thing part of the rant I’m not saying that he’s Drake or Gonzalez on the team but I think he’s a piece I think he’s I imagine him as an integral piece in the in the future depending on what the wolf man does in the offseason but I remember you know it was earlier this year that that AP he was signaling something about how initially he wasn’t even aware of Marcus Jones past offensive snaps which just seems so weird and I didn’t understand for a coaching staff that supposedly puts this premium on collaboration and communication I don’t know how that happened so it’s just one of these weird little things that that’s a little hodge podge poery of Marcus Jones talk I’ll leave you guys with I’ll listen offline thank you for the call spe um I’m gonna disagree with one thing that he said I like Marcus Jones I think he’s a good player um I don’t think on a good team he can be his words an integral part of the team he’s a complimentary player uh with his size that he can be very dynamic in the kicking game and that’s what his role is uh um instead of uh you know is he a spot defender or situation slot defender in certain places on a good defense maybe is he a contributor on offense you know a couple snaps here or there because he is dynamic with the ball but I don’t think I don’t think Marcus Jones at that height and weight can be an integral part of a good team yeah I I I’d agree with that I mean I think he um you I think it’s like a few players on this team that if you had the talent around them that they would kind of settle into their roles could be solid but right now it all kind of looks like garbage cuz they don’t ask you this and I don’t know the answer this is not um this is not a midweek pu setup like I’m just to let you know I like those yeah right let me ask you this what do you think that Marcus Jones um would be productive as a full-time offensive player uh I don’t not really I mean I think I mean I think he’s like swing passes and in space I don’t know if he’s going to go in the slot and run a and run a whip route and get open you know I don’t know if that’s his thing like I think it’s a little why I preface it by saying I don’t know the answer to this yeah I I mean I think he needs to have a special there a lot of little guys like him that are like two like you know I always bring up two two Atwell you know like there’s a lot of little guys like that that play offense they’re not going to be volume guys they’re not Tut two Atwell is not catching 100 Balls but he’s going to make some plays for the Rams and there are other guys like that can Marcus Jones be a full-time contributor because if he could I’d be in favor of moving him on offense I’ve seen more from him as an offensive player than I have as a defensive player and that’s just not to say that I think he’s a bad defensive player because I don’t think he is bad it’s a matchup problem with the size I I think that he is what he is he’s 5’8 and he’s he’s a willing tackler he’s a physical he tries to be physical now he’s an ankle biter but he’s generally a pretty sure tackler um he’s aggressive he’s you know he’s very competitive I don’t have bad things to say about yeah the player I just don’t think what his skill set is is good enough as Matt said to be a full-time quarterback so he so I wonder could he be a full-time offensive player not as like a Julian Edelman he’s going to catch 120 balls but could he catch 30 balls and you know average like 15 15 can you be like Greg dorch he can’t be much different in size than Greg D how many how many catches did dorch have for right so so Marcus Jones had one play today what’s a volume for him that you would feel comfortable about offensively three times but I’m just saying like George had four touches today and he also is there returner so we had a couple opportunities in the AP return game could Marcus Jones be better served being that again I don’t know the answer please don’t please don’t don’t at me with this one cuz I’m not telling you that that he’s a bust on I don’t think he’s a bust on defense I don’t trying to find another spot I’m trying to I’m wondering if he might be better served in another area I I think he would be best served as the fourth Corner not the primary slot but your matchup fourth guy that you can use when there’s a little quick guy that we need somebody kind of sticky I I my concern on offense is just that I think and I maybe I’m misremembering but every play that I remember him playing on offense was either an end round uh a wheel route it was getting him in space and kind of throwing it to him in the back field or handing it off to him I’ve never really seen him run routes and run Slants I Haven either you know I don’t know what that looks like and so if he could do that stuff then I might be more open to it I just think given what I’ve seen of him you can only run so many swing passes end rounds the plays that he’s on the field he’s generally um design they’re designed for him even even if he’s a decoy like he was in the little shovel pass that we like to get we want them to go to him we’re going to put him on we’re going to show everybody that we’re going to hand it to him but then we’re not going to hand it to him right right you right uh yeah I I just to just to wrap the thought I mean I just I think if he could prove that I’d be I would I’d be open to it I think in a perfect world he’s your partner turner He’s your fourth corner where it’s match up so he’s not playing every down on corner and then you mix him in for 5 to 10 plays a game and use that kind of stuff I think I think that would be the perfect usage of Marcus Jones Ivonne in Toronto writes I know Fred has mentioned we need to give the coaching staff a chance but I hope they don’t oh oh I’m not saying fire Mayo but I seriously think everyone else to be needs to be on the hot seat that’s Ivonne in Toronto I just I think we’re going to have this conversation a lot and I just I I was hoping to to see progress and Improvement and I haven’t seen those things so it’s just it’s hard for me to point to evidence to say you know why it’s going in the right direction they’ve got three more games to to prove it uh but talk is cheap and we’ve heard you know kind of the same stuff week after week and that’s what gets redundant with in the NFL when teams are losing and they say all the right things but when the product looks the same it is what it is you know Paul uh we’ve had this discussion the last couple years well you know they’ve hit rock bottom and you said uh I’ll let you know hold on that’s my before you Proclaim Rock Bottom you know when you know you hit rock bottom when you start to play well again when the rebuild is over and you and you’re a good team again then you can look back and say that game was Rock Bottom you can’t look at a terrible loss in like week 12 or whatever L four in a row in season where you’ve already lost six in a row and identif like is this rock bottom is that Rock Bottom is was the Dallas game last year Rock Bottom like no especially when you got to go to Buffalo next week well I think I think it’s very hard at this point in time when we’re sitting there determining what or what is not Rock Bottom to look at the next three weeks and go and feel good about it yeah yeah hard to do that based on the body of work that this team has produced for sure and I mean even you know we talk a lot about the two Buffalo games I mean even you know the Chargers they’re they’re a tough team too I mean at this point how can you believe anything in this Patriots team that they’re going to you know be able to pull it out and be competitive I mean I’m not saying it can happen but at this point it’ll be surprising Chargers losing at home today is going to mean that game is going to be very important for the Chargers in a couple Ford in Savannah Georgia that’s not David Andrews kid Ford that’s writing it is it Anyway Ford writes if the Patriots end up with a third overall pick and don’t select Travis Hunter then I’m out on Elliot wolf and anyone involved in selecting players they need guys who are the guys who are the rising tide to raise All Ships and hold teammates accountable and make them better this is Travis Hunter he’d be their number one wide receiver and take away opponent’s number two weapon on defense one pick to make the pass better on off off and defense which is just what is needed Ford and Savanah Georgia and we’ve already talked about uh Paul and I would agree with you I don’t Envision a scenario if they pick Travis hunter that he’s playing both ways well I just not not full-time I just like this is going to be the guy who breaks the mold he’s going to play every snap on both sides of the ball he’s going to be Chuck bedar is it is it the number two receivers that are that are giving us a hard time or is it the fact that we have no pass rushers at all like I you know I I get what he’s saying and again like I’m not going to spend this whole spring saying no I don’t want Travis Hunter like he’s too talented but realistically when you look at what they need and what he is probably going to do in the NFL which might be great at quarterback but I think that there’s easily a case to be made that they need other things more and that there are other impact players there is a case to be made I have no problem with picking Travis Hunter just I I I do have a problem with the notion of we’re picking him so he can solve two problems that’s not going to happen first of all I don’t think he’s a great wide receiver I’ve watched enough you know I’m certainly no expert on the Colorado Buffalo but I’ve watched enough that he’s an athlete who they throw the ball up to yeah I don’t really see a lot of sort of preced rout Runner Precision to his game as a corner Elite yeah what but I mean is it kind of like what I was saying I I haven’t watched enough of I’ve obviously seen a play but is it the same thing I was saying with Marcus Jones where it’s kind of designed plays and not like all right well you’re going to run the they run him down they run him down the field and throw balls up to him and he out jumps he’s 6’1 I know everybody thinks he’s too small not aot please don’t take it at that is he over 100 lb yeah I mean I think he might be down to a buck 20 um but but he’s 61 they throw the ball up to him and he makes plays cuz he’s a better athlete than everybody else on the field he will not be the better Athlete on everybody on the field when he’s in the NFL right uh John from the District of Colombia wants to pour some cold water on the draft and the rebuild he says he hates to be the bear of bad news but the Cavalry isn’t coming to save us Point number one by all accounts parenthesis and listening to Scouts on various podcasts and before we start hearing all the draft type this is a less that’s in capital letters talented draft class compared to previous years that is correct according to the experts I’ve heard the same thing number two about 15 players are genuinely genuinely Elite and the scouts are saying that even the top three tackles Campbell Banks and Williams may all need a year behind a veteran tackle hello Garrett Bulls to learn car Bulls bused resigned with Broncos no I think he I think he’s alluding to that number three there are another 115 players or so basically through the end of round four who are quote role players in depth pieces on any other team but would be an improvement for the Patriots o line dline linebacker core and secondary wrapping it up he says basically you’re only getting game changers if you’re willing to pay in free agency next year otherwise right off 25 and wait till 26 and that’s John from the District of Columbia I’d like to see I mean are there game changers are there game changers in free agency or don’t the smart teams sign the game changers there are look and you can tell me all this of how the generalities are of the draft but I’m sorry every year there are good players that get drafted and there are people in there there are puka AAS of the world or guys that fall through the cracks so like that’s great you can tell me what the draft shaping up to be but we need better and we’re going to demand better of our ownership and our GM to go and find those players and that’s what it’s going to require and I’m sorry I’m not just going to be like you know and it’s the thing that pisses us off about the stupid tackle thing what did you want him to do there’s no T there’s no telling them the draft well they can’t get better next year like tough they got to find it that’s what their jobs are and our expectations should be higher than look this year we got one guy who’s playing at a high level right now in the draft that’s not acceptable and it can’t be acceptable next year either no matter how talented or not you tell me this draft is it’s a great rant I would just say you can get um you can get difference makers in free agency you can’t create a team through free agency it won’t last right you’ll get a one-year bump if you go out and sign 68 free agents but we saw that in 21 I mean I could give you a laundry list of guys that have changed teams that have completely changed the team like guys like AJ Brown and I count those guys as free like when you make a trade like that that’s free agency Reggie White like you you you go out and get difference making players and they transform your team immediately now if you want to do what the Patriots did in 2021 you’re going to be just like everybody else it’ll work initially you’ll be better but it will be unsustainable that’s not the way to build a team you have to do it with the way Mike is saying you got to hit some you you get a little bit of a pass you know in your first year in your first off season and all those things but it’s it wasn’t good enough last year the guys that they went out and got and we don’t have to go through all of them but the free agents the draft class it it hasn’t been good enough it needs to be better they have to be aggressive there’s no excuses for it I mean they have the money they have the draft picks they have the cap space all of those things that you need to try to build a team in the off season there’s no excuse for them so I mean this is they’ve got to be as sick watching this team roll out week after week being over out you know outmanned as we are so go out find the gems that’s and that’s what the great teams do and if you don’t do it we know how this industry Works you’re not going to last very long uh bookkeeping uh thing to just sort of clean up we spent um one might consider this an inordinate amount of time in the pregame show talking about who did you want to see in this game who were you looking forward to watching and we’re talking about jayen pulk and we saw nobody Paul you you’ve got the stats up there how many targets for Jaylen pulk today uh hope please one okay I thought that was one more than I thought I didn’t know that he was that’s about his game average these days he covered like a blanket in the end zone on the on the first garbage time touchdown um he was covered like a blanket and uh May threw it away over his head okay I didn’t know I didn’t realize he was even uh targeted once so more than that but again it just shows you for a guy that everybody’s saying can you step up he did buiss today I know and that’s and I think that’s just kind of a you know cliche and he’s a second round pick and all the things that go with him but you know at a certain point it’s like it this season is what it is it’s not going to turn around in these last three games no David Maine writes I’m with the caller that was against trading down we’ve been pretty bad at evaluating talent and wolf isn’t good enough to be cute stick and pick offensive tackle or Edge preferably offensive tackle if there is a world that we would get Will Campbell and Carter then sign me up for that how do you get both those guys it’s going to be tough right we’ve proven time and time again that we cannot develop wide receivers and we took two last year so no wide receivers in this draft Instead try to get one in free agency your thoughts well we already told you that Campbell and Carter isn’t going to happen I don’t think no I I mean I my thoughts are what they’ve always been I would take a day two wide receiver almost every single year at this point you know unless you’re in a special year where you’re like we really don’t need it but they did they I mean they picked the wrong one last year I mean unless there’s a miracle turnaround for him they picked the wrong one again last year but there’s too much talent every year year that comes out at the wide receiver position and I think that’s why you know Paul and I both kind of bristle at like well they you know Bill belich couldn’t draft a wide receiver in 2019 so in 2025 Ellie wolf shouldn’t draft like it’s just yeah it drives me crazy doesn’t make sense it drives me crazy got keep trying at can can I also like maybe defend like Elliot wolf a little bit just a little like could we not lump in like Jayvon Baker with the failed like like aad a fourth round guy who was clearly off of a lot of a lot of people’s radar um off people’s draft boards he had red flags fourth round guy that’s not the same as tawon Thorton Jaylen pulk nikel Harry those are those are premium picks that haven’t panned out so far you know uh Ford from Savannah again uh writing in you guys are kind of making me angry sorry have you watched college football this year Travis Hunter would easily be our number one wide receiver right now he can run routes he can catch the ball and he has the same mentality as Malik neighbors he gets open all these qualities I just listed are not found on our roster right now thanks Ford can I just say one thing real quick in the middle of this email I don’t disagree with any of that I think he probably would be their best wide receiver what I’m telling what and it’s just my view I do not see him being the guy who breaks the mold and plays a 100 snaps a game right 50 on offense 50 on defense maybe he will be the guy that he he’s he’s sh Otani maybe he is maybe he’s that good I don’t think that that will happen I don’t think he’ll be a full-time two-way player in the NFL therefore I think he’s a better Corner than a wide receiver I might be wrong I don’t see this level of play as a wide receiver I see an athlete making plays as a wide receiver does that mean he’d be the best wide receiver on the current Patriots roster yep y yep he would be he’s absolutely email is absolutely right uh and he finishes his screed by saying you’re saying he can’t play both ways because it hasn’t been done yet he is someone who could just because it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it won’t that is true he’s that good that’s Ford in Savannah Kevin in South Carolina you’re next on the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings hi Kevin Maddie I love you buddy and I’ve heard your ankles are real and they’re spectacular H okay there’s a but coming but go right ahead mat thank you I’m here for the human resources department for the New England Patriots representing the craft family I heard uh instance tonight of quote spray job a wide openen booty sprayed one shot play and decision on I can’t read my own writing the point is boys what has happened to our program ABS these ladies this is what happens when you go three and 11 this is what you get right um so I you know as long as we’re doing some bookkeeping um thank you Kevin I I just wanted to uh defend myself uh on the uh the the quarter pole three quarter pole uh oh that way Paul it’s a good way to lead into Mayo I looked I looked it up and I’m right it’s according to uh the Google machine Anyway said the the three quarter poll is uh not the the first part it’s the end when you only have a quarter left according to the Google machine I well I thought that was established law I thought said that on the show on Thursday and my brain went through the same exact thing where I was like cuz Fred was pointed about here at at the at the three4 poll to say it that way and I was like is that right and then I remember because I thought we’ve been through all this before I thought this was established I like it when somebody criticizes Paul and then he goes to the Google to try to see if he can he drops the Google 30 to 17 the Patriots lose to the Arizona Cardinals 3 and 11 now the record on the year three games left let’s go to Arizona and listen to the postgame press conferences of head coach Gerard Mayo all right never mind take it back um you know I kind of sound like a broken record standing up here you know just being disappointed after a performance like that um we had to do better you look at the stats you know they had 389 yards we had 311 the running game you know once again we give up a big Run play that really hurts us and really skews the rest of the the stats I would say a third down just in general you know we were 0 for on third down and they were probably around 70% on third down down so you know when you talk about extending plays I mean that’s what it is and then really defensively not showing up in the red area those guys were three for four in the red area and those are definitely look we’ spent a lot of time on it those are definitely it’s definitely an important part of the field and we just didn’t do it well enough again turnovers turnovers there were a couple balls on the ground they got one uh but again I mean it’s what we put on film so you know at the end of the day we are what we put on film we are what our record is you know penalties you know kind of get into that you know again kind of sets us back on some of these drives where we’re really uh making making Headway um during the series I will say look today we won the coin toss I thought the best thing to do for us was to put the offense out there I thought it was an opportunity for us to go out there and start fast uh which it was unfortunately you know we walked away with no points on the Miss field goal but that was my thinking on that you know what I told the guys in there kind of the same thing I’m telling you is like we all got to take accountability and what does that look like accountability is not really you know the my bad the accountability isn’t coming in saying things like you know oh if we would have just did X Y and Z like we’ve been talking about that all year accountability is going out and correcting it and that that’s about action it’s not about just sitting here saying you know that’s my fault my fault you have enough of those and that’s what you have out there on the field today fireway coming off the and then the first offensive series you guys move the ball get the holding second you get the sa how frustrating is it to see the same mistakes over and over it’s very frustrating it’s very frustrating and we’re not a good enough football team to be able to go backwards and overcome you know those long yard situations as we’ve seen all season on that first yeah there were definitely thoughts on going forward on fourth down um you know we elected not to so what the EXP explanation if they gave one to you on the hit on KY it looks like he became a runner um the smaller guy Ducks down Jen kind of gets tied up with him yeah they just told me that um you know even though he is a runner at that they still have some of that protection as far as um his to the head so they said Jennings hit him in the head and they called it we got to live with it no not at all I thought we were able to run the ball I told these guys going into the game like we got to be able to run the ball for four quarters but you know at the same time we got to get open we got to catch the ball we got to make the throws we got to block the guys up front and we got to run the ball like those are fundamental things and this is why I always go back to like the ex nose are one thing and we’re all pretty competent as far as ex’s nose are concerned but going out there and executing a play it takes a lot and we just weren’t able to do that on a consistent basis it it was very I mean it was disappointing you know I said this you know I think probably the first week of the Season there comes a point in time as a football team where everyone in the stadium knows what the play is and we just got to move bodies and we weren’t able to do that feel you shown that you can be that kind of team look we have some guys we have guys in there that are physically tough mentally tough and you know my expectation for them is that we always can move bodies unfortunately we didn’t do that today uh that’s you said it I didn’t you obviously talked about your running game but then running for 163 what is it that you’re seeing with the lack of run defense on your team yeah it’s just you know the big run was the big run I mean we had people there to make the play um I don’t know if you guys saw it that way we had guys there to make the tackle we just didn’t come up with it and this is why I continue to go back to this game is about fundamentals and tackling being a major one there it’s all it’s always my decision I would say um look the quarterback obviously has you know good pair of legs and does a good job running the ball we just chose not to do it there do think I got watch the film I would say you know just from on the sideline and seeing the clips on the Jumbo Tron we had a hard time especially inside um the one sack on uh I think it was on low uh the defensive end got a good jump on that and ran the hump so I thought inside just from once again not watching the film I thought inside we definitely let some leakage come through defens again just not good enough is open loss 30 to 17 uh to the Arizona Cardinals um anything stick out to you there boys uh yeah M yeah I thought that I don’t know what you meant by that you said it I didn’t uh with the May running thing I don’t know if that was meant towards he wishes that Alex v pela consider that I do think that that’s something we’ve talked about may I don’t think anybody wants to see may run in the middle of the field necessarily but in the Red Zone in short yardage situations it’s just we all know the advantage a mobile quarterback giv you in those short areas and he’s not going to take a hit if he gets into the end zone so I’m not sure what was meant by that I’ve seen uh some scuttlebutt there on on Twitter people are are discussing that response so I don’t know uh there are 14 games in how many I’m sorry Paul help me out on the math how many games is this now for Drake May today was his what game ninth I do not know oh jeez I can look it up hold on all right so sort of IM material but here’s my question after nine games has there been a designed quarterback sneak um called yet for it was his nth ninth start um I do not recall a quarterback sneak okay you no I don’t I don’t recall a designed run period right so Mike you’re talking about mobile quarterback maybe doing something with him down there at the goal line whatever happened to the third and one with the least athletic quarterback in the history of the league Gets behind uh and just Burrows his head in they needed a yard not two not three not four so you don’t do it the first time okay yeah stuffed whatever like that fourth and one line the big kid up have him go behind a guard have him go be whatever combo block whatever you want to do get the yard we don’t know what would have happened if that happened but if they blocked it the same way he gets stopped because they did not block guys on the third down play in on the fourth down play so if you don’t block anybody it doesn’t matter what you I mean yeah that’s I mean that’s maybe the philosophy that you know you’re going to have to have somebody break a tackle to get the yards you need and You’ don’t you’d rather have rander Stevens trying to break a tackle than Drake may now I like the idea of these Red Zone problems you know maybe designing some Zone reads for Drake May and as Mike said you know he walks into the end zone he doesn’t even have to take a hit little RPO action yeah something something like that and and see how that works on those two plays in particular I don’t really have a problem with not doing a designed run for Drake May um those in general are going to come out of the shotgun right so you you’re going to defend it a little bit differently there’s no excuse for not getting the the these yards there’s just none this is the third down play yeah so that was the third down play it was Gibson I forgot it so it wasn’t Stevenson on both plays huh they gave both guys a chance to play and again I don’t put this on the running backs this guy’s getting unblocked right like you have to block you don’t need like to kill you don’t need to dominate the the matchup you just have to to have a stalemate yeah uh all you need is to move the ball a half a foot you know Matt just real quick one one thing I I did like from Mayo was talking about accountability and I mean I said it you know last couple weeks I’m just I’m sick of hearing the my bad oh yeah that was my bad I think you know I think Mayo kind of said that a little bit accountability it’s more than just being like my bad and I think everybody’s just over the well yeah that was that was my mistake like just simply owning up to it just it doesn’t make it okay and it’s not you know it’s not softening the damage that those plays are doing and it’s just continually getting more and more frustrating where you know guys are just seemingly admitting I wasn’t prepared or I wasn’t mentally locked in and and that that to me is is is the big one of the bigger problems here that we’re facing what do you do about that Mike how do you get guys to lock in how do you get guys to you know not make mental mistakes I mean as a coach I imagine that’s the hardest challenge there is yeah one and I know we want to hear from Drake May too um shortly but one other thing I didn’t really love about the pr I mean I I think we talked about that you know kind of seemingly anyway throwing the offensive coordinator under the bus a little bit there but I didn’t like the the recitation of the stats and in his Preamble no like are you trying to like make this game out to be that it was competitive in some way because it really wasn’t no you know you got two like old by the way touchdowns down three scores Revlon scores as I like to call them Paul yep and that’s that that’s that and even with those you had 300 yards right with with two touchdown drives of 75 yards and 70 yards on the last two times you touched the ball when the game was over right uh speaking of Paul this is Paul Sako who writes in The only positive that has been presented regarding Mayo’s tenure is that the players are still playing for him that was not the case today so says Paul sacko today’s game was an uninspired was as uninspired of an effort as you’ll see coming off of BU the team was seemingly going through the motions from start to finish scoring two touchdowns late when the game has been decided is not finishing strong I appreciate what you guys do succinct and to the point emailer I would say right there yes no that is that basically my um my projected narrative for the week and I’m not making fun of the emailer at all I think if you f felt like that I felt they got some garbage time production today no I think most reasonable people see it that way and the reason why you call it garbage type tou because the other team doesn’t care if you score exactly like that’s the that’s the problem all they want all everybody wants to do we talk about business decisions a lot all they all everybody wants to do is get off the field when the game is decided and get home when it’s 23 to3 in the fourth quarter the game’s over right Joel from San Antonio writes hey y’all I’m not sure I subscribed to the calls about getting rid of mayo if I’m not mistaken he basically has the same team that finished 4 and 13 last season under the greatest coach of all time I think that a little lenience and patience will be good now if there’s no impr improvement next season maybe we can bring that up yes Mayo doesn’t have experience but he’s getting it on the job I don’t think he has to be ran out run out of town just yet thanks yall Jackie Brit I mean Joel and San Antonio writing in so I would just argue back and I’m not advocating for Mayo to lose his job and I don’t think he’s going to but um what did you think of Bill’s job last year uninspired so you he’s the greatest coach of all time and he went 4 and 13 and what happened the greatest coach of all time went 4 and13 and got fired right this is a guy coaching for the first time and he’s doing worse with a better quarterback and we can’t talk about it yeah now again I don’t think he’s going anywhere and I don’t necessarily think he should that was kind of Devil’s Advocate sure and we’ll wrap up the email portion of the program with Craig in central Massachusetts who’s a customer who writes Bill needed to go since it was getting worse and worse going into the season with an inexperienced coach inexperienced play callers and inexperienced football opice people seems like bad business reupping guys who disappoint bad Investments across the board I will always invest my time in listening to your content since it’s top-notch but I probably can’t justify investing in February’s ticket renewal invoice oh Matt Morell always does a hell of a job thanks Craig and central Massachusetts unhappy customer now that’s interesting that’s interesting and and will be um something that we’ll keep an eye on you know um the the public will speak you know the season ticket holders let’s see if Matt Morell can do a good job in playing the Drake may press conference after today’s 377 loss to the Arizona Cardinals yeah frustrating I think kind of same thing showing up that’s probably the most frustrating Park um part I think hurting ourselves getting in long distances and um first and second down and then um not capitalize them we get down the Red Zone and the goal line and kind of make it a one- score game so those things just keep showing up over and over and we were addressing them and the guys I feel like we’re focusing in during the week and practice and you know we’re practicing well I feel like and um it’s just not translating to the game so we do something extra or do something different and um I think it’s just FR frustrating because we’re in these games and I think you know we can win these games but uh just kind of Ball’s not rolling our way that yeah we wanted to get the ball out get his guys in our hands and make them tackle us I think that was it was our big game plan and I think it’s also tough for EVP because we really didn’t really get in the Rhythm you know I think it’s it’s easier when get in Rhythm to call some deeper stuff and and kind of get that going but we never got of Rhythm and come out of the the second half we got down in the goal line and couldn’t punch it in and basing that we’re kind of comeback mode and that’s when we could open it up and they’re playing simple coverages and just kind of playing keep it in front so it’s a little easier to pick them apart but really in the beginning of the game I think just got to get get in the flow and you find ways to move the ball and get points that first drive I feel like it’s you know two or three games where we get down there and we don’t get points in the first drive and though we’re moving the ball so it’s tough two big ones at the end one to KB down the sideline you H Hooper up the scene how important is that moving forward next three weeks you got some good teams coming up there so they don’t just Squad put yeah you had eight guys in the Box ear exactly I think that’s one of the best things I do is you know see the ball um see see it downfield and and throwing it kind of intermediate and I think you know we’re doing that more and more but like I said we got get in the flow of the game and kind of let those things open up but got good players that are making plays and uh another intermediate pass to booty is unfortunate I try to kind of lean them away from the safety and just uh you know stuff like that happens um so like I said it really didn’t go our away but I think you know we got some promising stuff to to build on I think we’re efficient in the passing game we had some big time runs and I think you know people can see it just got to stop having the same repeat errors what do you think did change for you guys just going Tempo I think they can’t get in their stuff and uh they’re playing simple stuff cuz they have to cuz they have to get the call in Fast and um I think we practice that all the time and practice I think that’s you know preacher of habit of you know going and you know moving the ball whether it’s to minut at the end of practice or even just uh on the ball period we call it so um I think it’s easy for me because I know the plays are going to run I know them throughout the week and um you I feel good I feel good about our guys and where they’re going to be at would you like to see more of that because it seems like you guys come out run the football holding call first series second series sack I mean it seems like you just kind of been making the same mistakes over and over would you like to maybe switch it up get some Tempo with the input of Alex and things like yeah definitely think there’s a place for it I think you know talks about you know getting in the tempo drive you know every game and um I think there’s time and place for it and he knows that and um he you know he likes us in Tempo so um I think it’s just you know find the right time for it um but I think our guys do a nice job and it’s a testament to them for what we do in practice and you know how well we are when we move the ball in Tempo the opening drive is a third down through screen to pop it wasn’t jery that was check what you see on that yeah just trying to get out to pop him have him make a play um you know I think we maybe probably maybe would like to have that one back but you we’re in field goal range want to stay in field goal range that’s the big thing of kind of learning experiences of in the Titans game I took a sack got outside of field goal range and just trying to pick up some yards and kind of um give Joey a shot to make the kick but uh yeah I’m look back and fi and see what see what I think when you guys won the coin toss you El to receive you were going in that that was going to be the to have a drive that start pris out how deflating is that yeah that’s what I was you know talking toobe about yeah um you’re definitely deflating you want to get down there and you know put defense in a good spot get some points on the board and um you get down there and andall out and um getting a holding call which you have to look back and see I think it was a holding I’m not sure what penalty it was but um just unfortunately things happen more unfortunate things happened the whole game really they had a basically a a video game Madden likee touchdown in the corner The End Zone the linan falling on it um they had uh the interception that you know questionable call um but you know what the refs called it so we got to live with it on the interception that we had but end day I don’t think really any of that matters I think we just got to you know execute you know on ourselves um execute better and little things like that and you know not let those things kind of just decide the game third and one the fourth and one you guys have gotten stopped there a couple times this season would you feel comfortable sneaking it and is that something that you might voice to Alex yeah that that’s a good point you know he was um you know a good quarterback sneaker in college um you know a big dude um you know I’m heavier than people think um so I think I think Ming maybe a conversation for that and I think it’s tough you know to stop you know 65 dude um you know for one yard so but also at the same time mandre is you know pretty Dam good at getting one yard as well um so unfortunate that it happened um but definitely there’s a time and place for it up optimistic how much is a on you yeah where’s on you for sure I think it’s uh it’s just frustrating um just know along long flight back and really can’t do nothing else but just think about the game you know watch the game on your iPad and think about ways ways I could maybe um throughout the week I could talk to a guy that can make a difference in the game um maybe you know hit the lineman here on on on one thing or maybe the receivers here or the running back mandre or these guys U maybe tell them something extra throughout the week to maybe help you know shift things or make that play different but uh really just think it’s Collective um it’s Collective effort and those guys are keeping a good attitude um you I’m really just hard on myself on things and that’s you know really probably the attitude thanks Drake May after the Patriots 30- 17 lost to Arizona with another call for the quarterback sneak and Drake doesn’t sound a oos to it no does he I did like that he uh took accountability for the interception yeah you know by talking about he was trying to like sit him down a little bit there but he threw it behind him and I I I do like whether or not it’s accurate I I like the fact that he tries to take responsibility for those things I thinkig thank you to our partner Microsoft Surface the official sideline technology provider and laptop of the NFL and the New England Patriots that provides players and coaches with the tools to succeed both on and off the field check out the new Surface Pro designed to keep up with you as the most flexible most powerful 2inone laptop and tablet out there at surface.com 30-17 the Patriots lose in the desert in Arizona to the Arizona Cardinals the Patriots are now 3 and 11 and they will go to Buffalo New York Archard Park to be exact to take on the Buffalo Bills next Sunday for a whole cast of characters uh Chris judge Josh Davis Dave sovit Nick poo Anthony Marini no Matt lean but Matt Morell Paul pillo and Mike Doo I’m I’m Matt Smith we’ll see you next Sunday when the Patriots are in Buffalo to take on the bills thank you for downloading this podcast subscribe on Apple Google Play and everywhere else you listen like the show please rate and review us listener comments and ratings help keep us high in the podcast rankings so new listeners can find us be sure to check patriots.com for more news and more 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