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The Toronto Blue Jays have traded for Andres Gimenez. This isn’t the Blue Jays news we were expecting but it’s the Blue Jays news that we got! Gimenez is a great defender but what can he do with the bat? In this one we break down this move and discuss the fallout from it.
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okay we’re get we’re getting Jimenez and Nick sandin for Spencer Horwitz yeah I was going to say I don’t even know who Nick sandin is okay um okay okay are we about to change our minds here well I you know what maybe maybe we are maybe we are about to change your minds actually okay and we have this guy till 2028 you know and look at the career and uh okay you know what I mean like maybe this changes my mind a bit I mean it definitely I mean yeah it helps it certainly helps you know said we need to trade for a guy who’s got a little bit more control we traded for two guys more control and we’re willing to pay that money wow I mean okay it makes it a little bit better but I think this deal looks better from a blue J standpoint if you could also get a bat in free agency or a starting pitcher or something cuz right now we’re we’re hoping and we’re praying right now I mean the one good thing I guess okay let me try to let me let me get off my initial reaction try to spend some positivity here the one good thing I guess you could spin from this guy steals a lot of bags could be your leadoff guy if he’s bouncing back that could be your new lead I mean who would you rather have Jimenez or George Springer leading off Jimenez probably Jimenez probably I mean it’s very close right yeah yeah yeah okay okay this makes it somewhat more okay and you know what Thomas Hall spinning in in a positive light too here saying sending Spencer Horwitz to Cleveland certainly opens up plenty of of DH reps okay yeah because you know he’s going to play second base every day right yeah that’s definitely true now Horwitz is out and it’s like okay well vlat is obviously first right but Dan we are losing we didn’t even take it in fully we’re losing Spencer hor that’s right yeah we that is yes yeah so honestly it it comes down to like you got to just I guess you just got to not that you want to Hope like I want this guy to do well but I guess they’re just thinking that they’re trading him at his high and I I suppose they’re hoping that that Jimenez is going to bounce back like that’s honestly what this is they are hoping that Andre simz is going to bounce back I would not mind this deal if we replace that production of 125 Ops plus if we got a production of 125 Ops plus you can make the argument that well we got a veteran second base three-time gold Glover with the upside of having 30 stolen bases and being lead off and if we go replace Spencer Horwitz with the santon or or Hernandez or whatever Lonzo that’d be obviously a a lot better then you also get that additional reliever okay that’s so for me it’s like I can’t I still can’t walk in offensively with Andreas Jimenez you know that’s not like a sure thing right there offensively because we’ve seen the regression but at least the sandin thing makes it a little bit sweeter wow Horwitz is older than Jimenez too that’s also true I mean true he 27 that’s right like Jimenez is like you know you kind of think about Andre himz as being somebody that’s like been in this league forever right but he’s still 26 but he is still only 26 years old old so I mean like there’s still a lot of time left for him to develop I mean ultimately like the guy is Elite defensively speaking Elite defensively speaking and now we have him I think we can all admit that this is going to be our what does he play primarily is second base Prim yeah primarily second base okay so he’s so now we know we’re going to have a second base now for the rest you like for five years for the next five years Andre Jimenez will be our second BAS yeah and and and that’s and so that means honestly I mean like Horwitz is gone now he’s gone I wonder what you do with all those other guys that need reps yeah that’s the thing too you got to trade them well cuz like you got trade this you just you literally just made the decision that they’re not going to have a spot for 5 years yeah and hey Jimenez could play a little shortstop too maybe he goes over to short and place his bow so it’s like okay that’s an option there could be maybe you hang on to one guy and you make them the bow replacement oh [ __ ] this is our bow replacement this could be our bow bash replacement everybody Andreas H menz could be the bo bashet replacement down the line wow 650 people in here guys if you haven’t already done so please hit the like and smash the Subscribe button folks really apologies for all the technical issues that we’ve been dealing with recently we are trying to rectify them as much as possible hopefully it doesn’t crash again but we’re just in here intaking this deal right now we got a donation here from Liam Thomas steal for the JS you know what like we were we were raging we were raging off the top here absolute Dan says going to miss Horwitz uh the Ries got separated they get separated W’s in the chat but you like we were raging off the top I don’t I don’t think it’s a rage for me anymore like I don’t think I’m I’m raging I’m Coming to Terms I like this I like the bullpen Edition and we have them for I think three years we have him for yeah like that’s that’s solid but I still need a Batman I mean I like the upside maybe he could hit like he did in 2022 maybe maybe the new twins coach can kind of help him out but we do need we do need a Batman I think honestly okay EXO motion is saying tell me how to feel please I okay this is how you should feel this is how you should feel losing Spencer Horwitz sucks and and honestly when we first got that notification that caught us off guard quite a bit I think because ultimately you know when you think of it that Toronto Blue lineup and you think about actual promising potential he was one of if not the most promising right he was locked in at our fifth spot starting the year next year we liked it right that being said Andre Jimenez is the Dal V show of the infield if you want to talk about somebody that is like strong defensively speaking that’s him in the infield and to Adam’s point it’s like okay now if bashad does walk well we’re going to have an elite short I assume that he can play short stop at Elite level you know so now it’s like no worries at all from a defensive standpoint we slot that guy in and you know we can figure it out and hopefully supplement the offense elsewhere right I think that you need to walk into this deal though or not like hoping that he does better offensively speaking obviously but expecting a mid to high 600 Ops yeah get ready for that and the he still stole 30 bases he stole that’s true and B like what was what was one of my biggest complaints last year we we don’t [ __ ] do it right like we never do it and that that dresses that issue but then I go back to my point it’s like we need to get a bad this deal could look two ways when we this kind of reminds me not so much because we gave up a lot for dton VAR but honestly if you’re not too worried about the money it could look better than Dalton VAR show because you a you have this guy locked down for a long term great defense in the middle in F replaces bashet and we didn’t give up that much for him really Horwitz like honestly I think that’s the way that I’m starting to come around to it is like CU from a Cleveland Guardian standpoint I think the only way that they make this trade is because they don’t want to pay the money anymore right so they’re willing to take you know probably what is a loss just from a value standpoint cuz if you think about it you are talking about somebody that’s probably going to win multiple gold gloves for you that you have locked up for 5 years and on top of that we’re talking about a relief pitcher coming in that we desperately need who didn’t perform great last year but has a career erra of 3.27 like let’s not forget like that’s actually a very good career erra this guy’s never been hurt before why does he have negative War well last year it was it was 3.75 so it wasn’t great you know what I mean but like trying something that’s the thing like in terms of the career his whip certainly inflated last year his whip inflated to 1. 1266 but I mean ultimately like I look at that you know today think about it today we just got 57 Innings here in the bullpen and another 60 from Jimmy we just gained 120 Innings out of the bullpen that’s very very good also everyone’s saying Keegan Keegan Keegan um they they’re going to meet with Ross Atkins in Dallas they’re about to meet with him a previous scheduled time that has lined up conveniently so we could hear something from Ross Atkins about this shortly all right well we’re going to have to stay and wait guys who knew that we were going to be doing tonight I thought we were doing the whole MLB draft lottery watch which we did uh we’re getting eighth overall but now we’re here we got a th people in this chat right now welcome in let’s run it pray to God that the computer does not crash again F I’m like barely touching my internet as much as possible let me handle it and uh and then we’ll if we need to bring something up we will bring something up cuz I I literally was just looking up Keegan I couldn’t I just couldn’t my my computer can’t handle this much internet going through fact I’m getting off the Wi-Fi even on my phone just in case you know I I’ll I’ll use my phone to kind of look at things here so apologies if you can’t see any visuals guys I think we’d rather have a stream up than a visual we’ll try and feed it to you guys if there’s a visual that we need to show we will show it but welcome into the thousand people in here if you haven’t already done so hit the like smash the Subscribe button everybody Andre Jimenez going to be the where is he going to bat I think he bets lead off you think this is the new leadoff guy eh yeah I know that the Ops doesn’t look that good but you got the stolen bases I I’m curious I would love to look up an alternate set like how many PL uh pitches he sees per plate appearance I think you got to put him lead off where do you guys think where did he bat for the Guardians let take a look okay there would have been Quan up there where is where is that under splits maybe it would have been take a look right here take a look someone’s saying eighth first ninth I mean I could see eth nth or first you’re right so primarily for them last year it was second sixth and seventh he spent half the season batting second and then half the season at the bottom maybe there was like a split thing they did like maybe one you know against lefties here against righties here maybe they did that it’s also possible I I mean we don’t know but maybe they started him here wasn’t doing as great as they HED and then moved him down you I’m not sure could could possibly be a thing too I I genuinely think he goes he goes in the top I genuinely think he goes to top of lineup because I mean who okay you guys you guys in the Chat Springer or Jimenez leading off I mean they’re both sub 700 Ops guys but at least the stolen base threat I take the stolen base and let’s be honest if you were to bet money on who’s going to have an Ops over 700 next year would you bet Springer would you bet Jimenez yeah um I might go Jimenez because of the age just because of probably cuz that’s the thing right like I think that he’s actually going to get better or I’d hope that he gets better with age right um okay ke and I’m I’m looking to see uh the Blue Jays are doubling and then in says quadrupling down on defense by agreeing to acquire Andre simz from the Guardians one of the best defenders in baseball at second who could slide to shortstop a year from now if bashet signs elsewhere his Bat decides if he’s good or a star yeah you know what and that’s that’s the way that we need to look at this well it’s the same thing with dlan varo too it’s the exact same thing with D I guess the one positive for me is like we’ve actually like the difference between him and Dalton varo is we’ve never actually seen Dalton varo have a year like this good offensively speaking what I’m to is is 2022 he’s never had a year that good and we have seen him not as bad as 20124 but we have seen him be as bad as the other years that he’s had so sh to who just subscribed right there everyone everyone split on the Springer and him menz thing I think it look I think think of the lineup this way if it goes Jimenez bashet Guerrero Jesus Christ we need to find someone number four now cuz now we don’t have Horwitz and then it’ be Springer that’s that’s where we’re at right now shout out to Isaac right here with the the $699 donut saying I guess we’re not getting gayar Torres Ross just wants backtack all gold glove teams W’s in the chat for Isaac for uh donating right there I think that this does this should officially take you out of the glabar Torres sweep Stakes however Thomas Hall brought this up on Twitter earlier does it open up a spot in that dhws and thank you to the person that just subscribed right there does this open up that DH spot for potentially Petz ponzo Chris Walker if go out and you get a pet Alonzo and you know what I mean maybe even a Christian Walker too either one right whatever man I I mean I would prefer obviously prefer you know like either or then you’re getting that you know that bat that you needed and you’re also improving the the infield defense which which it’s not that good anymore exactly I was going to say it’s like it’s not a huge problem but it could become a problem soon you had like him uh Ernie Clement like get the nomination for third glove go glove base go glove excuse me but like you think about B you think about like hitz was going to play second for us like it wasn’t that great defensively speaking right so uh also people were saying Mike Rodriguez Mike Rodriguez um as I mentioned earlier cor Burns is Boston’s number one priority my source tells me that they are very close to reaching an agreement don’t tell me cuz again totally off topic totally different topic here but we just saw Max freed leave the board go to the Yankees we need I’m I’m only guys I’m only just starting to come around to the to Andre Jimenez we cannot lose out on the possibility of Corin Burns especially to the [ __ ] Red Sox no cuz like so far this offseason has been a very much Ross Atkins off season where you trade for a relever you trade for defense and then you get back an Old Reliable friend literally literally literally KK was like our Old Reliable friend get trading for defense Al VAR show a couple years ago and a reliever Eric Swanson okay everybody’s saying Corbin Burn’s the Giants I just looked up Corbin Burn’s name on Twitter I do not see that I’m not sure where you guys are getting that from if you’re just trolling then like please stop trolling because you know we do want to to bring the accurate news here if possible folks um if you haven’t already done so we got 129 likes can we get up to 200 likes on the stream guys that would be good I can’t show this right here but um the there’s a what what do they call the MLB tra trade simulator that shows the value make this what you I think they’re considering the the fact he was bad defensively and the contract but uh a negative value of or a value of negative 35.2 going to the Blue Jays and a value of positive 28 going over the guardian it’s it’s because of the contract contct because of the contract you know and and honestly it it boils down to this the Toronto Blue Jays are I guess just more willing to pay that contract than the Cleveland Guardians ever would be because ultimately he’s not crazy expensive right now but when you look over the so this year this year Andre simz is going to cost $10.5 million however I can see from a guardian stpoint in 2027 he’s going to cost almost 24 million a year okay and that is a lot of money for them you know what that’s okay because 2027 all we have is uh Jose baros and yo Rodriguez that’s fine that’s fine now like like so it actually makes sense that this actually a perfect contract for the Blue Jays right now because we don’t have to pay that much right now and we could possibly stack on another guy this year honestly I think that this contract this contract so that’s the thing in 2027 we’re going to have to reevaluate if he is hitting at a mid to high 700 Ops then I think that this money looks really good assuming the defense is still where it needs to be absolutely if he is cuz that’s the thing ultimately if he is hitting at a at a 638 Ops clip it gets tough to Warrant that when we go well this is another dton bar show and then and then the narve will become Ross did it again he didn’t learn from his mistakes he traded for a guy who was clearly regressing and then traded for defense that’s what it’s all going to become and then if Spencer HS pops off then it’s going to become that too so hopefully it doesn’t become that scottf far with a $199 Don no three times Gold Glove under control till 2030 this is a W uh swingy with a $499 Don noan Jimmy back plus faster ik if we miss miss out on a big bat we’ll be exactly where we were at the start of 2023 well let’s be very clear okay we if we miss out on a big time bat yeah this is a still it’s a null off season like it’s still an L for us I like this tra we’re we’ve really done a full 180 here and kind of we have the beginning to now lit after we saw the Spencer Horwitz name it you know kind of all went crashing down it was sensitive it was exactly it was it was an emotional topic but this is a good trade if if you still go out and get somebody that can swing the goddamn baseball backat because keeping in mind as well I like I’m liking what I’m seeing from Andre Jimenez however you did just lose your second best hitter Spencer was our second best hit last year your your second best hitter last year from an Ops standpoint from just an overall standpoint it was Guerrero and then it was Spencer hor that’s we’re not a team that can afford to lose offense so you need to supplement that and then some you know through free agency or through trade yeah I mean well also I like to think of it this way too like okay well if you lost Horwitz Horwitz kind of took over very minorly very I’m not ever going to compare him to AB boette but like he made up for what a little bit of the loss of bashet of get that get so think of it this so if bashet bounces back well there’s a replacement right there but still as we saw last year that wasn’t enough offense so we do need to add on just a little bit more to make this good and just from a pound for Town thing in this trade again we’re never really going to find out whether it was a good trade or not until like three or four years deadline cuz Spencer Horwitz has 5 years left on his rookie or on his uh contract and then this guy’s got five years how long do we have him for five years uh I want to check now but like 5 years we have them for five we we got them till 2029 and then there’s there’s a club option for 2030 so it’s effectively like if he’s playing good baseball five or six years yeah yeah we’re going to have him till he’s age 30 oh my God you know so what again presumably his prime this is we should presumably have him for his prime bone 6000 coming in here with a $699 Dono thank you very much saying people need to chill and stop thinking this is our big bat clearly more to come plus we still have too many infers I like that bone I likeone people are saying Jesse fredman I can’t find Jesse are you guys spelling it properly Jessie frean is this is this the guy right here I I can’t find him guys everyone’s saying Jesse Freeman but I can’t I I can’t find who you’re talking about right now um no I can’t find it either yeah like I’m looking I’m literally looking that up quick clips and like I I literally I just do not see this guy at all M says do you think Bachi is traded down not a chance no not a could you imagine that would be a blockbuster he gets traitor right now Jesse for let me give a shot here yeah try your best dude I can’t find him anywhere I’m sure oh is is this him fried land I don’t think this guy no look like a guy this doesn’t look like a guy Michael Borland with a $5 donene I imagine they only make this deal if they’re confident they’re getting a real bat you got to hope so dude see that’s the thing is like You’ think but we didn’t do it last year you know or we didn’t you do it the year prior when we got Dalton V show when we when we traded the way that offense with Lis lordis scorel Jr like they got Brandon Bel but like we’re not looking for Brandon belts this year we’re looking for big time doing something dumb okay oh there it is there’s the uh I did find it yeah was the end that we were missing right there um Jesse Freeman Mike Hazen on if he expects to make a big move by the end of the winter meeting probably not at this point sorry what is this uh I don’t know who that is I’m not sure I don’t know who that is what are you guys talking about yeah I I don’t know I don’t I genuinely do not know what you’re referring to right now what he said who the hell is Hazen is that the guy from the Guardians uh I don’t know I I genuinely don’t D news oh sorry I I’m I’m very ignorant to to guys in the NL I don’t know yeah I’m very ignorant to NL Diamondbacks guys what does you want to trade us back uh uh Mr Moreno that’d be great we get back Moreno that’d be phenomenal okay so GM of the Dbacks okay yeah so so apparently he’s not trying to do something super big oh at these winter meetings which I guess is something to know not Ross Atkins Ross Atkins is out here and [ __ ] going after it right now what are your thoughts on the uh the max free deal by the way cuz that was that was literally in the last like hour it has been a dagger of information because get the you straight up get you know the the loss of our fifth overall pick to go to number eight and then you know 60 seconds later it’s Max freed on an what an 8year deal deal so it ends being like to the Yankees ends up being a$ 27.5 million per year I yes I would have took that that is an insane rotation that they have over there by the way Lucas by the way W’s in the chat for Lucas or new subscriber guys if you haven’t already done so please subscribe to the channel the fact that they’re going to have G Cole Max freed uh who’s after that Carlos rhon Luis heel and then Marcus strowman like that’s pretty solid that is a very good rotation if they get if they end up getting a Pete Alonzo right I don’t want to say that they’re all the way back cuz woto is woto but they’re they’re pretty back yeah they probably need to sh up the middle infield still I mean who’s their it is still um vulpi but they lost their second base I don’t even know DJ lameu like who’s be their second oh probably jzz jism but who’s their third baseman dju like they probably they probably want to get a bregman they probably would have liked this trade too actually they probably would have messed around with a Andre administ trate and they would probably would have paid for it yeah um also yes I do see that Mike was you know saying that uh you know yes Mike Rodriguez saying yes the burns is looking like uh the Red Sox are in on him that’s scary we need to get Corbin Burns and I said this to Nick right before I forget which stream at this point I said this to him but pound for pound I said we need to get a Corbin Burns because if you go gar Cole versus Corbin Burns there’s a competitive matchup there it could go either way then you go Kevin Gosman versus uh who would it be who would it be that’s next on there oh it would be Max freed okay depending on how Kevin gosin bounces back maybe slight Edge to Max freed right there shout out to uh chaos Champion welcome to W’s in the chat but then you go BOS versus maybe you could say heel or maybe rhon let’s go rhon okay there’s an actual fight there like pretty consistent Jose shout out to Jay Rich then you go bow and Francis young breakout Guy versus Luis heel there’s a competitive match up there depending on how they all do next year and then it’s Marcus strowman versus Basset two veterans like that’s how you go pound for pound against the Yankees in the rotation and then if we go get a big bat depending on what they do too then we might actually have a legit shot to beat the Yankees this year I’m taking a a look right now at uh at Sand guy Nick sandin and looks like he’s more of a middle middle Innings type of guy for those C guard I get it because their their Bullpen is so freaking stacked but you know again like this is somebody that I’m I’m you know kind of getting excited about as well right like this is somebody in the bullpen that we actually have serious control on you know which is something that we haven’t had in a really long time for a lot of guys right also everyone say Mike Rodriguez guys I we already looked at the mic Rodriguez appreciate it uh yeah it’s the corn bur thing like I just talked about but I mean yeah I mean look last year was okay you know we had a lot of guys that were like him I guess maybe maybe a little bit better he’s a little bit better uh but if you can bounce back to what he first broke out in the league and became then totally I mean that’s a that’s a middle relever guy right there that’s a that’s a henness Cabrera at minimum hopefully kind of guy yeah exactly no I I I think so dude like I’m starting to I actually kind of [ __ ] with this deal now yeah like actually it’s crazy we let’s say this we could all agree we just watched the live draft lottery and we just heard U Max freed going to the Yankees and then I and then we hear Jimenez to the Blue Jays and immediately we’re like okay this this is another bad thing we didn’t know the details but now that we know the details it’s okay honestly I see it a lot similarly maybe less even less risk like aulton VAR show and we got him for longer and honestly like it really does like this is going to be one of those deals too where I think that depending on you know cuz he say it’s going to be 2020 if Spencer Horwitz comes out and builds off of last year yeah then it’s going to be like oh my God what were we what were we thinking more defense you know like are you serious but I could also very clearly see a reality where Spencer Horwitz and this is no disrespect to Spencer Horwitz but I could see it I could see reality probably more times than not actually that he comes out and does worse than last year and then it’s like okay well we got a great defender in here and uh you know like we didn’t give up that much if you really think about it that way no absolutely and also I just thought of it like this you want to track some pitching well we just got a three-time go Glover in the middle infield we have Dalton varo in Center yeah we have I know Vlad is not the best first baseman but he is a former go Glover we had a nominee and Ernie Clement over at third at least right now GE Springer is over there right he can go out and get it I mean hey if I’m a pitcher and you know how much pitchers love defense they also love offense too but at least they would that’s something you could now sell to a pitcher like Corin Burns coming over and playing for the Toronto Blue Jays dude I like for me if we don’t get Corbin Burns then like that’s going to suck I really want to get that guy however if we don’t he can’t go to the Red Sox no he he can’t go to the Red Sox the one thing that we’ve always been saying for years now is well the Boston Red Sox pitching like ever since Chris S kind of fell off it’s like ah like Boston Red Sox like their pitching isn’t all that you know they get Corbin burns with like some of the breakouts that they had last year and it’s like okay I mean their their rotation could be right there with us you know like assuming their breakouts like buil off of what they did last year they have last year they had H H they had like there was like two other guys too that like actually did really well I know the second half of the Year wasn’t as strong but they showed enough promise that if they if you do get an established Ace like Gorman Burns you might feel pretty good about it I know they had Nick Peta who again had a strong first half and then a bad second half but he’s gone now they I think he offered him a qualifying and I I think he declined it I’m pretty sure he declined it uh I’m just taking a look right now at their roster also everybody suggesting sasi shouted thank you to thank you to James Ford I mean hell yeah we got sasi likei sasi so there’s actually yeah somebody was saying an article here by Shea Rubin and she’s talking about how the San Francisco Giants are among teams who are prepared to make a presentation to Roki sasi and that makes a lot of sense too like I think all those teams on the west coast specifically Padres Giants Dodgers all those squads are going to have a lot to say to Roki Sasaki the Jays are going to do their best because apparently they’ve been planting seeds from this guy for years now so they’re going to shoot their shot don’t hold your breath cuz honestly if I was him I’m going to the LA Dodgers and I’m not thinking twice about it however if he does want to do something crazy like Otani did and you know like wow everybody and end up you know choosing the Toronto Blue Jays we are all the way back apparently uh we’re we’re mispronouncing apparently it’s s Sasaki Sasaki Sasaki okay apologies guys yeah apologies fun funny we looked it up and it was Sasaki Sasaki no one knows we’ll figure it out listen if he’s a Toronto Blue Jay I’ll figure it out but uh Roki actually there was an article I forget who said it probably an MLB Insider but he the article came out was talking about that Roki might actually prefer not going to a big Market team because he doesn’t actually like the media that much so I mean well I mean that would not be good for us because we’re a big Market team and we have a lot of media so that uh that would uh suck but um yeah I also I’m seeing Oh this is the this is the Red Sox rotation it’s actually kind of good Tanner H cutter Crawford had a good year last year Brian beo he had a great year last year um Garrett Whitlock I don’t think he’s that great in remember remember Lucas gelo yes you got him still they got him look at Mike Rodriguez people are saying yeah it’s it’s the still still the same stuff right now with Corbin Burns guys so yeah right now Boston Red Sox number one priority according to his source is Corbin Burns and they are very close to reaching an agreement however the negotiation is very Advanced [ __ ] man if they end up true if they actually end up getting him dude like that is not it’s game over I mean well what what do we yeah now we need now we need Roki we have or you know you go get Roi and then like you also like flarity you want to pick up flarity um I don’t know like it something to say um Thomas Hall is kind of coming out and listing out some of the arguments right here also apologies that we can’t be pulling this up on the computer we just don’t we don’t want to risk it right now the the tech has been really bad guys so like we don’t we’d rather not crash and just bring you a live stream literally we will deal with it soon hopefully um but yeah effectively Thomas Hall is just talking about how we have a lot of cards to play uh in in this infield deck depth so yeah however like meaning in terms of trading in terms of trading in terms of deciding on stuff him and’s hits left so where would that put will Wagner’s try high on yeah cuz I mean if you really think about it that infield now Jimenez is the locked in second baseman you got vlat the locked in first baseman unless they make a surprising trade B bashet for at least a year is the locked in short stop right where does that put will Wagner where does that put Ernie Clement where does that put Revis Martinez put bar put Leo jenez like the list goes on and on and on and on and on I I think yeah sure if they’re high on will Wagner and don’t get me wrong I love will Wagner too he showed some great Prospect with his contact last year like that was some pretty good stuff he was able to turn on some really good inside fast balls which is great to see a young guy doing but you know if we got to trade him away for a good starting pitcher I give him to me or good more Bullpen guy we got to do something or you package some guys together you trade them away for a big bat like you got to find a way to get a bat in there that’s the number one priority for me other than starting pitching right now yeah yeah exactly like if you lose out on Corbin Burns I mean again that’s going to suck I would love to have that trust I I mean I know the talent of Corin Burns he’s incredible but if you miss out on him it’s not the end of the world you you cannot afford to miss out on either a tao or an Alonzo or a bregman or you know like that’s where it becomes a big problem I’m just laughing right now because I just realize this whole podcast this live stream me like we’ve both been doing it but we’re we’re convincing ourselves again we’re doing it like imagine if you were to tell me pre offseason and during the regular season we’re going to make a trade we’re going to send away Spencer Horwitz for a defensive first you know in middle infielder and here we are and here we are Def and pitching defense and pitching we’re and we’re going to sign back Jimmy and get and trade away Horwitz who at the time we’d be like what what the [ __ ] well like that like that I remember I remember saying horz is the one guy that’s like off my not trade clause if we don’t get a big bat gone now and imagine if that was it like and then we got like nothing else we got a couple more Bullpen guys that was it like that’s overall offseason it’s like a that’s a c minus you know well then that is why they need to do other stuff you know they there’s got to be more to this than just getting Andre Jimenez and Jimmy Garcia back you know this is a good like I I like that we’ve done this cuz this is a foundation for something um but for not made the big move yet and I’m hoping that there’s not just one big move but there’s multiple big moves because like we keep saying this is a 74 win ball Club yeah I mean Andre Jimenez is great and he’s he had four War last year but that’s not a guy that’s going to bring you to the playoffs and sure as [ __ ] once you get there isn’t going to be the guy that’s hitting you to the next round we we have money to make the moves too I mean just for the next year I think he’s $10 million 10 and A5 million you’ll say they’ll say 10 round it cuz you trade away uh Horwitz so 10 million plus 72 for um for uh Jimmy Garcia we spent $17.5 million today okay that’s oh and I guess the what’s the Nick guy I guess uh he’s probably he’s on arbitration one now true so let’s say it’s $18.5 million that we just committed to this year Okay Okay cool so there’s still room and opportunities to go get a big signing that’s a 20 and a 25 maybe even 30 million guy out there that we could still spend the money on shout out to last gaming with $10 donut saying good evening guys Ross Atkins has lost his mind I will forgive him if the trades if he trades for Garrett crochet that’s a that’s another guy that’s another one yeah right cuz uh to finish off this right here Louis Rober and getting Jesus lazardo interesting Boston is getting Corbin Burns we need sere Hernandez okay that was another thing too articles came out saying if Boston missed out on um on Max freed that they would go and pivot to maybe crochet trade I wasn’t even thinking that there could be possibility for the Toronto Blue Jays I also heard too that Dylan CE is being made available right now that’s crazy I I don’t know why they’re doing that but that would be incredible over a thousand people watching if you haven’t already done so folks please hit that subscribe button guys your name will pop up right here there was just some minor breaking news here from Talking baseball reposting effectively what Tim Healey reported an hour ago and it was saying that no this is good news this is good news the Mets were not in on Max freed and they’re expected to and are not expected to sign yes so they are and that’s a good thing anytime that you can get Steve Cohen out of the sweep Stakes for somebody is is a good thing for us kind of shocking I mean maybe it’s the woto effect but like kind of shocking they wouldn’t go balls to the wall right here get I really listen man even Steve Cohen has his limits and ultimately like I think that again last year too it’s not like they really had an ace or anything no they had a collection of guys it was a collection of guys so they’re probably going to try to do something similar to that again maybe they go out and they get like a you know a semi yeah exactly like K or not K Tom who they good um Frankie Montas yes like that’s again they’re kind of repeating the same formula but they I mean if to if they really wanted to win they go get cor burs that’s that’s a win every five you know games effectively it would be it would be yeah um yeah so that’s that’s kind of everyone saying by blad honestly like okay so it was reported earlier today that the Blue Jays and the angels are showing interest in glabar Torres but at this point ched and thank you to Richie Richie W’s in the chat to Richie at this point Blue Jays and angels are showing interest in free agent second basement glabar Torres I just don’t think that that there’s any reality at that point now for G that would actually make no sense where where would you put them you actually you can’t put them anywhere yeah exactly so I think that that this means that we are officially out on glar Torres for certain in fact yeah yeah we’re definitely out on glabar Torres I don’t think that this takes us out of the running though for any of the other big free agents I think you could still be in on bragman you could still be in on pet Alonso I think that you’re still in on still on everyone cuz now we have no DH so it’s like okay perfect you know we we can absolutely do that you signed Pete Alonzo and then he’s just the DH now yeah well someone’s saying oh Deport Shiner shout out saying gler could DH I mean I’d rather have a a good hitter a really good hitter no offense to glaber I’d rather have like power coming from my DH spot at this point looking at our lineup there is a lot of other guys that I’d like swing in the bat over gayar tours and be completely honest you look we already have our not so you know good bat filling up that second base spot I don’t need we already have another not so great bat I mean o okay bat in Dalton varo in center field we already have an aging guy in right field we have Ernie Clement at third base we don’t know what’s in left field like we need bats we like the only sure thing is vlat maybe Bo bounces back and then that’s all we got that’s because now I was going to say well we got Spencer Horwitz he’s gone he’s gone he’s no longer a Toronto Blue Jay uh is this a bow replacement it could be in the future I think it’s more bow Insurance than anything else right like you now have somebody available to step in for bashet should B bashet walk should you not get an extension done um which honestly it’s kind of likely that you you won’t at this point I think yeah wow everything everything’s coming here um to a reality for me actually like this is it we made a lot of moves today at the Toronto Blue Jays we went out we got Jimmy Garcia love that I’m starting to like honestly for me I’m right in the middle on this uh henr it all depends on what happens this season shout out to arthus saying why did it have to be Horwitz I know yeah that is again like that is definitely the blow here and um and I think that that is you know that is important to note I I wish the best for Spencer hor I loved the season that we had with him I think you know should he have have been brought up sooner he would have been in there for Rookie of the Year voting um so it is a loss certainly to see him leave the Toronto Blue Jays that being said though Andre simz is a lock down second baseman there in the field and he could play short stop at a very very high level um and you got him for time too what about Nolan Aeron I mean I mean it after doing this I certainly can’t rule it out cuz that’s effectively what that would just be what Andre simz is but at the third base and a little and older obviously old I mean the end of the day we lost Horwitz we got sandin let’s not forget sandin we have we have two new relievers today everybody and a new second basem like those were needs is I guess the second base wasn’t a dying need but we got it shout out to Matthew long um but we got those needs in we still need a power bat a desperately power bat we’re filling out the outside shells of a roster right now we need to fill up the core with a power bat and I’m more on the idea that we do need a starting pitcher just because of how good it is BNS oh I think it’s the full it’s the full trade officially oh okay so we actually oh we gave up another thing Nick Mitchell do we know who Nick Mitchell do we know who Nick Mitchell is gave up Nick Mitchell everybody I think your computer would crash if you brought that up or let’s see y’all let’s see if my computer would crash Nick Mitchell I’m going to take a look at our top prospects here yeah you look up that I’ll look up are you part of this cuz he is uh a minor league outfielder here Nick Mitchell okay so he’s center field right field he is 21 years old he’s not in the he’s not in the 30 he’s not in the top 30 okay so this is a big nothing Burger I mean oh he actually had a pretty good year in 2024 oh oh we did we just draft this guy where was he drafted fourth round we just drafted him this past year we just drafted him this past year Nick mitell yeah yeah he’s not in the top 30 but still young still maybe with some potential honestly had a pretty solid single a year with a 289 batting average not so much pop 816 Ops okay so he I mean maybe one day right maybe one day becomes something fourth rounder interesting yeah fourth round pick from this past year okay I mean listen it it’s not a major blow man like I I don’t think that that’s you know that doesn’t really move the needle for me too much I guess if that moved the needle for them like good stuff uh I like Nick sandin I like Andre Jimenez Keegan Keegan Keegan what did Keegan say I’m GNA keep I’m gonna keep pulling up stuff now y’all and hopefully if it crashes it crashes if it doesn’t we’re good Ross Atkins on Andre Jimenez I’ve got it right here y’all he says everything about him was attractive of course he’s attractive to you he plays great defense the wor we did on his Bat the work we did on his Bat and the offensive impact that can be there the teammate I mean I heard he’s a great teammate actually we’ve heard incredible things about the person the level of speed and athleticism that is very true being here for a long time and yeah he’s going to be a blue jay for the next five to six years now the one thing is we did work on his Bat and the offensive impact this is 2022 what I’m really curious of what that work is yeah where like I haven’t I what’s the work here I’m seeing a lot of blue 11th in uh batting run value in 2023 eighth in batting run value in 2024 I hey look I actually agree with the speed in the defense for sure and the athleticism and the being a good teammate but man I really hope our new hitting coach has got something for him man uh massive shout out to David here with the $699 Dono saying sign Alonzo for DH and sere for left field and sign Burns good okay if we did that that’s an A+ off seon trade the Basset Hound uh for Bullpen help lock up the shed and vlat cheers guys dude I want you as your GM Man David uh David abisher for GM Toronto Blue Chas GM that would be killer uh while Adam was reading off that uh that Ross Atkins quote right there which is kind of interesting to say the least because it’s classic it is classic I mean to his credit I I’ll put it this way if Andre Jimenez could hit just a little bit better he’d be a [ __ ] amazing baseball player it’s the same argument about D Bar it’s the exact like dude all offseason last year was like if D barall just hit like a 250 batting average Buddy’s gonna have a seven War next year because like you think about it yeah they’re right the athleticism is crazy the speed is crazy uh you know like the defense is insane if you could just hit a bit better you are you’re literally an Allstar every year Ben Nicholson Smith tweeted this out now I don’t really get his I don’t exactly understand what he’s saying here but he said that some people at the winter meetings wonder if there might be a third team involved trying to acquire Spencer Horwitz One Source wondered about the Pirates so does that mean that they would that they would acquire hor and then just immediately trade them away or what does that me I think there was talks happening and with the Guardians and maybe with the Pirates and maybe a third team about horor so apparently was was a hot commodity yes okay well honestly like if he was that hot of a commodity I think you I think you got a good price in terms of war and a bullpen guy back yeah yeah yeah exactly so Andre Jimenez comes to Toronto Nick sandin comes to Toronto Spencer Horwitz and Nick Mitchell go over to the Cleveland Guardians that is the official trade let me toss something in the chat right now guys I’m going to toss a poll in here you guys let us know if you like this trade if you’re vibing with this trade if it’s mediocre for you or if you just overall hate it by the way folks here one sec let me get the poll up here do you like this trade subscribe to the channel if you want to vote in this trade that’s right that’s right hit that subscribe button guys we we had a great weekend y’all when we were watching Juan SoDo we got a lot of new friends in here guys hit that subscribe button like up the stream let’s try to get it to 400 likes if we can we got almost 1,000 be all in here if we can get to a th000 or excuse me 40 likes or gosh 400 likes excuse me that would be dope that would all right there you go the uh the poll is in the chat right now you guys vote and let us know what you think about this is it a mid trade is it a great trade is it a terrible trade I would I don’t think it’s a terrible trade I think that it’s somewhere between a good and a mid trade if if I had to put it somewhere and it all it all depends on what happens like it would be a terrible trade if Horwitz became an Allstar hit 850 you know looked phenomenal showed some great defense and then Jimenez and sandin both suck and and like was is terrible with the bat becomes a bad trade if he does if that happens over the course of two to three years it’s a mid trade right now because it could go one way or another it’s a great trade if we get a Allstar good high Ops kind of guy like high 700s maybe low 800s with 30 plus stolen bags that’s a great trade uh interesting stuff here from Fabian or Oria uh so he covers the Dodgers and Andrew Freedman on Oscar Hernandez was saying I know that he has talked about wanting to resign I know that we have talked about wanting him too but it’s not everything he and his family get to go through the interest and figure out what makes the most sense for him so honestly like they’re kind of leaving the door open a little bit for somebody to come in and and to uh and to scoop them up if that team wants to be the Toronto Blue Jays like I am [ __ ] here for it if if we get let’s let’s play little fantasy we do this every godam every if we get Tas Hernandez and that was the only move we make all these moves and then we just get teoscar Hernandez we get two Bullpen guys tar Hernandez and Andre simz what would you grade that offseason sorry see that again Andre simz Teo and two the two bull pun guys and Jimmy and sandin and we lost Spencer so the only thing that you’re adding now after this is C+ to B minus I was thinking about B minus something those lines you got your power bat that was the big need you have filled out two bullpens which is not bad mayus and then an unexpected like solid guy for the future yeah cuz I mean I still think that ideally like you need more offense right you need another offense on like I I like Tao a lot but I I just I do worry about the age a little bit um and also like we did we also just lost Spencer the in the it’s like you know maybe a minor upgrade for now we’ll see how next year plays out but yeah I mean that top fourward then look like Jimenez bashet Guerrero Hernandez and then I guess throwing George Springer in there like okay we could we could roll we could roll a little bit uh it looks like most votes are in right now and most of you guys are saying mid trade I get it but 32% of people are saying it’s a great trade 9% of people are saying that it’s a terrible trade um folks I think that with everything that is happening right now with the Toronto Blue Jays and with these winter meetings we’re going to need to lock in a Long live stream tomorrow everybody we’re going to need to lock in a Long live stream book it in your agenda major apologies for some of the tech issues that happened off the top of this obviously the computer took a little while to get going but we are here now so lock it into your agenda Blue Jay’s today be here tomorrow whether it be sometime in the the midday or evening we’re not sure yet depends on I guess the news and everything that break guys so I think we got to have a big time live stream to kind of come to the conclusion of these winter meetings cuz with the way things are looking I don’t think we’re done by any any not at all not at all right we’re still looking at Corbin Burns maybe there’s another trade in the window for the Toronto Blue Jays and again the winter meetings end tomorrow night so we’re going to find out everything and I hope that y’all hope that they all enjoy it I hope that the Blue Jays so far are not totally disappointing you I was at an F earlier today I’m at a nice D there you go I’m at a d right now also we did almost miss a Dono but I caught it $6.99 from Ador carrot saying off topic somehow Beyond uh Beyond average Mick still has his account open dude I’ve been checking in with him every every little while it’s bad man it’s bad like listen I I think I think we’ve given it to him enough uh he did kind of ask for it but he can lay off the guy now I think yeah yeah guys thank you so much for tuning in hit that like button subscribe to Blue chase today on your way out and as always guys go chase go
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