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Dan and Shawn are joined by former nine-year NHL veteran and current St. Louis Blues color analyst Cam Janssen (17:28) for an in-depth discussion about Jim Montgomery’s new job as head coach of the Blues. At the start of the episode, Dan and Shawn give their thoughts on the coaching carousel and trade rumor mill, including the futures of Chris Kreider and Jacob Trouba in New York and Brady Tkachuk in Ottawa. Later in the show, the duo discusses Toronto’s continued success without Auston Matthews, New Jersey’s recent hot streak, hat-trick and hat-throw etiquette, and what each host is thankful for in hockey.

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on this episode of the NHL at the ring podcast we talked to Cam Jansen all about the blues and the coaching change to Jim Montgomery Sean and I dive into the mailbag to talk about what’s wrong with the Rangers and what they could do to fix things and we talk about what we are thankful for in this Thanksgiving week all coming up on this episode of the NHL at the rink podcast NHL at the rink is presented by skip the official food delivery app of the NHL welcome into the Thanksgiving week edition of the NHL at the rink podcast brought to you by skip skip to the good part and get groceries meals and essential delivered right to your door on skip Sean Happy Thanksgiving it’s an early Thanksgiving we’re recording this on Tuesday it’s an early Thanksgiving Happy Thanksgiving and please keep the Christmas salad out no Christmas salad I haven’t even gone shopping yet Dan I got to get this over with so I can go shopping and and start to cook um my favorite holiday of the year um food family football the whole thing hockey on Friday you can’t beat it no you can’t I like your priorities in order shopping but you know just get the podcast out of the way you know yeah let’s get it rolling baby let’s get it rolling anyway we have to get it rolling because we have a guest yes who gets it rolling with Cam Jansen on the former NHL player who does the cam and strict podcast um based out of St Louis he’s going to talk a lot about uh mcgomery and the changes in St Louis but that guy has energy to spare he wants everybody to have energy to spare so I’m ready we already talked to him so I’m fired up Dan I’m ready to go yeah he brings the energy that I can’t wait you you it was great to talk to him I couldn’t wait to talk to him because I knew he was going to bring the energy uh that that interview is going to be coming up here shortly but obviously we talked all Blues about him so we got to get into this Sean Jim Montgomery new coach of the St Louis Blues he he six days after he’s coaches his last game or seven day six days after he coaches his last game or gets fired by the Boston Bruins he’s coaching for the St Louis Blues at Madison Square Garden against the New York Rangers they win 5-2 Monday night we are recording this on Tuesday I absolutely love this move by the St Louis Blues Sean I absolutely love it and I say that with all due respect to Drew Bannister who was the coach who got fired the blues didn’t hire Jim Montgomery because they were going in the wrong direction there was they were flat Dead all those things they weren’t very good they were 912 And1 they hired Jim Montgomery because a guy became available to coach their team who they wanted and felt was a better option than the coach they already had and Doug Armstrong and Alex Steen went out and said this guy is great he’s who we want and he’s who we want longterm and he’s who we want to build us through this reset we’re going to to where we’re going to be a Stanley Cup Contender again and he’s not going to be available for very much longer let’s get him and so they went out and got him and I think Drew Bannister can be a coach in this league think about Bruce Cassidy Sean he had his cup of coffee there with the wash in capitals had to go back to the AHL coach the Providence Bruins gets a chance behind the Boston Bruins bench goes to the Stanley Cup Final with them wins the Stanley Cup with Vegas he’s a great coach now could that be Drew bister perhaps but Jim Montgomery is a more experienced better option right now and they went out and got him and I think it’s a great move and I love that they did it Dan would you like me to cook you Thanksgiving dinner or would you like Chris Santos of beauty and Essex to cook you Thanksgiving dinner I would well since you’re going to bring a Christmas salad Sean I’m going with Chris Santos but no I get your point of course you would you you take the best out there it’s all about assets right like we talk about players all the time it’s the same thing with coaches you can have a good coach and then you can have a great coach like Montgomery’s done nothing but win in this league everywhere he’s been and and he was winning at like a 75% rate with the Bruins like I it’s it’s a freak occurrence that he was made available and the Bruins knew it when they did it like they like everybody’s like oh the Bruins they keep getting rid of these really good coaches they they feel like they have to it’s not like they don’t know that they’re good but even good coaches sometimes lose rooms it happens all over the place you just talked about Cassidy winning the cup in Vegas it wasn’t that he wasn’t as good a coach in Boston he just his message wasn’t getting across anymore and once that happens you’re done and I don’t care how good an X Ando coach you are well you’re 100% right and and and it’s also different in a in a situation like the Boston Bruins are in right now when the co when it becomes obvious that a good coach and Montgomery obviously is a very good coach loses the room you can’t they’re not in a reset they’re not in a rebuild you can’t wait it out right you can’t bring in young guys bring them up and change things out they’re in a must win mode right now they’re in a they they are in a window where they have to go and win so it adds the pressure and then that mounts and A Change Is becomes required the St Louis Blues were not in that position Montgomery even at Madison Square Garden in the morning in his morning press conference basically said we come with no expectations right and that’s the that’s the thing that the only expectation that he said they do have is to play what he calls Blue Collar hockey Blues hockey get back to playing that make the fans proud of this team and if they can do that they’ll win some games are they going to be great listen they have a way is to go we’ll get into a little bit more of that with Cam Jansen right but the expectations are a little bit lower in St Louis they can make this move it’s a five-year deal they can grow and build and Monty can grow and build with them so it’s different in Boston than it is in St Louis and I don’t think in St Louis it’s that Drew banister lost the room I think it’s just simply the fact is what we were talking about a better guy a a better more experienced coach at this present time became available how did Monty get the job in St Louis without ever talking to Army no expectations low expectations what kind of conversation was that dude I think he might be managing expectations how about that could he be managing them perhaps listen Armstrong if he got through that conversation and there were no expectations put down by Army I somebody better check on him I think the I don’t think there were any expectations put down by Doug AR Armstrong in terms of you must win we must make the playoffs we are a playoff team all of those things the expectations are let’s build this thing back up that’s where they’re at right and how do you do that you you get back in you talk to the players you get you reconnect with them and Sean that’s the other thing about this he comes into a team he coached 15 of those guys that are on the team right now played at least a handful of games for the blues and many played a lot more than that when Jim Montgomery was an assistant coach he has prior relationships here there is already a respect for him beyond what he’s done as a coach in this league there is a personal respect for him it’s a different coaching change than what we’ve seen normally you see a coach come in and he may he may know a smattering of the players maybe coached one or two of them and those are the guys that are going to kind of you know the other guys will lean on and be like all right what do we expect here what do we ECT here these guys know for the most part Jim mtgy it’s a different type of coaching change he can come in and just reconnect relationships rather than make relationships yeah and it’s the same thing in Boston right like they replaced them with with sacko and he was the associate coach there a and he knows everybody and and and now it’s his job to build the Bruins up I mean it’s a small sample size two games but they’ve won um they haven’t scored a lot but they haven’t given up anything and maybe that’s their blueprint I it scares me that they can’t score it scares me that the blues can’t score and the coach of the Bruins who couldn’t score is now the coach of the Blues but they looked pretty good last night against the against the Rangers so we’ll see I’m I’m waiting to see in Boston what happens when they start playing some better teams and and where they’re going to be long term yeah I mean we’ll see I mean there’s Talent there with the Boston Bruins we we know that they they got to put it together and maybe a couple of low-scoring one goal games helps them fuel a little confidence but you mentioned the you know we were talking about the blues and again we’re gonna have Cam Jansen on here in a little bit you know talk more about the blues and Jim Montgomery taking over but the team they played at Madison Square Garden Sean the New York Rangers they’re struggling I I got a question about them for my weekly mailbag uh that comes out Wednesday uh so let’s dive into the mailbag and this this part of the podcast is brought to you by skip skip to the good part and get groceries meals and Essentials Del right to your door on skip so we’ll open the mailbag Sean and I touch on I am touching on the New York Rangers it’s been a struggle this is a team that listen they’re 127 and one let’s let’s not go crazy here but they’ve lost three in a row they’ve allowed 40 shots gone goal or more in each of those games and they’re recurring problems with breakouts with turnovers with you know disconnected players with forwards too far away from defenseman and now the report comes out from Elliot Friedman on Monday and it’s been confirmed in a lot of different places Chris jur is looking to shake things up he wants to make some trades the names out there are Chris krider and Jacob trouba oh man Sean in a perfect world you could trade them both right and you can get guys back who are goingon to make an impact on your team and Away you go and everything’s better that’s not how this works is this just message sending from Chris jury or is this like legit like you know he he is he can trade Chris krider he can trade Jacob trouba or or we just trying to send a message to the rest of this team like hey this isn’t good enough no I think he can trade anybody and I and I think you do both right now you’ve opened your your door for business and let’s hear what’s out there you’ve sent a message to your team but if this first of all like I’m as big a Critic of the Rangers as anybody like what’s wrong with like why is there something wrong with them they hit a little bump in the road they’re they’re win percentage wise I think they’re still ahead of the Devils um you know all they got to do is get in and and to me if if you’re a playoff team and you have legitimate playoff aspirations you’re going to trade crrider that cat’s built for the playoffs he might as well put the regular season away and just show up for the playoff and there’s the rub with it right so on the surface I’ll tell you that these problems the Rangers have had in the last three games they go way deeper uh they’ve won a lot of games this season where their goalie has bailed them out where they’ve gotten outshot and they haven’t beaten a lot of good teams in fact they beat the Toronto Maple Leafs and that was very earlier in the season but otherwise the teams the better teams in the league they’ve pretty much lost to them I I it’s it hasn’t been uh uh they’ve had a somewhat of a soft schedule and they’ve kind of made good on on that through the first 20 games of the season but they haven’t really beaten the good teams and now you see them losing you know six to2 to Edmonton a good team no doubt you see them losing 5 to2 to St Louis a team that’s below 500 the rub is you look to trade Chris krier okay I understand it Sean I get it from a perspective of the Rangers you want to shake up and all that but you’re not trading Chris kryder for a draft pick you’re not trading him for a prospect you have to trade him if you’re trading him to get an impact player back in your lineup and to me the only real way to do that is if it’s a blockbuster trade which is great I actually had somebody stop me at Madison Square Garden uh on my way up to the Press Box last night before the the game against the blues and he was talking to me about could they do a blockbuster for Brady kachuck and it’s like to me that’s a hard stop if I’m the Ottawa Senators and it is for Travis Green too I know I’m sure you saw this the quotes from Green we had a story up from Fraser our guy in Ottawa like trade Brady kachuck you got to be out of your mind but like that’s where the Mind goes if you’re going to trade Chris krider he’s not an elite five on five player but he is an elite guy on the power play and he’s in a really good penalty killer and he’s an impact guy on your team and your team is supposed to be a stanle cup Contender if you trade him you’ve got to get an impact guy in return and that’s a Mak that that that’s not an easy trade to make Sean it’s almost impossible to make make because you’re dealing from a position of weakness you’re most likely dealing with the older player like when you talk to forget forget how silly it is I was trying to find a good word to use there and I don’t want to insult anybody so how silly it is to think about trade and Brady to Chuck because he took a couple of penalties that’s where this came from he took 21 minutes in penalties because they were losing to Vancouver and he was unhappy good for him seven other people should have took 21 minutes in penalties and showed they were unhappy too why is it just your captain doing that and now you want to run him out of town on a rail and then their GM is going to be like oh you know what it fix our growing team a really old Chris krider we’ll take one of our young pieces and look they’ve talked about you know there’s been all kinds of talk about how if this Ottawa team doesn’t take the next step it’s not going to be management that pays the price right Travis Green’s new everything else it’s going to be a foundational shakeup with one of their young players because they’ve had this young group for a long time and it’s not working and they’re going to have to move one of them but for Chris Cryder and that’s what the fans think well we could take our player that we no longer like who we think’s not worth a bag of pucks and we could trade him to this other team who’s got a sucker for GM and he’ll give us their best player everybody would make that deal yeah of course they would and it’s I listen I would never trade Brady kachu never unless Brady kachuck came to me and said get me out of here this isn’t working I’m done I’m not going to play for you anymore that’s not going to happen either he’s too big of a competitor he’s too prideful of a guy and he wants to make it work in Ottawa so no I would never ever let me repeat never trade a player like Brady kachuck you are losing that trade if you trade Brady kachuck no matter who you get you are losing that trade you want to unless you’re getting Conor McDavid back all right Austin Matthews back you’re losing the trade okay so let’s be clear there the Chris Cryder situation is interesting though the Rangers situ it’s not just Cryder it’s trouba Crowder’s got two years left plus this one too at 6.5 million trouba’s got one year left including you know plus this one at 8 million it’s it’s a hard trade to make the Rangers have to find a way to improve right now within if it’s going to happen that’s going to have to happen with their top guys improving because they can’t keep relying on kokako and will kolie uh to be differen makers for them it’s it’s great that they are but you can’t rely on those too good guys but again let me repeat Tran I’m gonna just to be clear I would never trade Brady kachuck who is a St Louis guy by the way the helps ared for the Rangers before we get to all the St Louis guys and cam Janson the help arrived last night everybody was focused on Matt Ry who else came up Dan Brett barard had a nice play that’s that’s the answer he’s a Rhode Island good road good Rhode Island Boy from Bishop hendri he’s the answer no he looked really good last night dude I know it’s one game but he looked good yeah he brings energy he he brings offense uh he he did look good but they got bigger issues there uh Matt Ry by the way was sent down by the Rangers to Harford today Chad Ruel was recalled so Ry gets in a game penalties doesn’t do that well sent back to Hartford we’ll see where that goes we did actually ask cam Janson about Matt Ry but we before that we talked all about Jim Montgomery going to St Louis the impact that has on the blues can this Blues team be like the team in 2019 Jansen answers that question more here’s our interview with Cam Jansen cam thanks so much for joining us so before we get started on all the you know the hockey talk we got to get to how you doing everything all right with you yeah everything’s okay except for um my little kitty cat boo died who I’ve had for 17 years through a lot of ups and downs and that devastated me uh she died a couple weeks ago and listen before you chirp if you’re an animal lover you’ll understand and a lot of a lot of people aren’t cat lovers but I’ve always had cats my whole life and I got this little kitty be right before before I got traded to the blues and uh she passed away a couple weeks ago so to answer your question no I’m a little down and out dude I get it our cat just passed to Snoopy my kids have had her her whole life my son named her um of course a cat named Snoopy but uh it’s tough man yeah it is tough but you got to get over it you get another one it is what it is other people are going through a lot worse things but uh you asked I’m going to tell you yeah no listen i’ I’ve lost the pet myself it’s never easy I I’m not going to chirp on that look uh let’s get to it what you know the Blues play one game with Jim Montgomery as their coach what did you think is this a revamped team is this a new team is one game enough no they’re not gonna lose another game the rest of the year no man like look they they needed a shake up listen this has been it’s been tough for this organization for the past couple years okay they win the cup in 19 a freak thing it all came together at the right time you’re rock and a roll in the next year by the way and people are like well what happened after the Sant cup where where did the downfall come from I’m thinking okay let’s look at it they were dominant and then all of a sudden covid hit and then you go into the bubble they weren’t there mentally they get beat by uh uh Vancouver I believe where Quinn Hughes was just dominating um and then you know the next year you make it to the second round against the Colorado Avalanche who end up winning the cup uh Kadri goes in uh Ben bennington’s playing out of his mind bumps into bner he gets hurt things collapse and then things collapse more and now here we are three coaches later two coaches later and Jim Montgomery coming back to St Louis so I think I think the uh the excitement is here you could see how some of the young guys like that Zachary baluk played last night play with confidence what does that mean in the next three games I don’t know I’ll tell you this right now they got some tough games coming up you got the devils in in tomorrow night then I’m going on the road trip doing radio with the guys uh this Western swing we have to do starting in Winnipeg that’s going to be tough so there’s still some games ahead where they need to see really where they’re at but last night was certainly a positive note and you could tell Jim Montgomery just has a feel for things like he just does and I know the guy personally too I was here in St Louis when Monti got fired from Dallas right had that run went through some stuff got out of it and then he came back to St Louis and coached his kid and all the alumni were skating with each other because we have this alumni skating and he started coming out we’re talking to him and he kind of got in the mix and all of a sudden he gets hired does well penalty kill power play was great as assistant coach and you know then he gets uh an offer with the Boston Bruins and did extremely well there so it’s a one big circle more of a a figure eight than anything with Jim Montgomery in St Louis but here we are and last night the boys look pretty dang good is the coach’s bump real I mean you played you went through it you know and everybody says oh it’s good for a little while sometimes it’s good for longer than a little while like what is is it a is it a clean slate do you actually believe that as a player oh yeah for sure yeah yep yep yep yep 100% clean slate and yeah the bump it’s real and it’s not real you know like you gotta you got to still be consistent the hardest thing about hockey is to be consistent it really is so as a coach for me like I would like guys to just keep your motivated everybody’s going to play as hard as they can but some guys they kind of give you sever % which maybe they can give you 80% you can’t go 100% every single game it’s such a grind it’s impossible we all know that but if you get bump some guys up maybe five or seven percent as far as their energy level or their motivation or whatever and for a coach to be able to do that with guys like that makes a big difference he seems like that kind of guy uh that’s easy to talk to if you talk to him he’s easy to talk to if you saw him last night in the bench he’s talking to the guys he’s doing this he’s doing that I mean they they you know they didn’t just dominate the whole game I mean they had a they had a great game but at the beginning the Rangers were on them they scored first um and they had to regroup and figure things out so uh I like coaches that talk to you Monty also has this little like phone like he’ll text different groups of guys on the team not to mention another text chain with everybody and just keeps everybody up to date with what his mindset is I I don’t mind that you know what I don’t like I don’t like when coaches walk past you and don’t even say hi that’s what I don’t like I’ve had coaches walk past me I’m like oh God what I do oh geez now my bra my brain’s racing I’m like oh God am I gonna get sent down no like we’re all grown men and tough and whatnot but like that plays with you you know it’s interesting because Monty did say yesterday that you know he’s a big Tik Tock guy and he’ll if he he’ll scroll through in his in his spare time and if he sees something that will connect with a player or players or the team he’ll send it out whatever various text group that he’s he feels it should go to so that to me also said he’s he’s modern he’s with it he understands the players he knows you know things that the players are are looking at maybe themselves and and and he can relate to the players and what was interesting too Cam and you tell me as a former player he was a coach who he is a coach who’s very vocal you could see it on the bench but he was talking to guys at the morning skate one-on ones talking to lines connecting with guys what does that do for a player when there is when the team is really I mean listen was struggling it was 912 and one right what does that do for a player when a new coach comes in and he’s immediately embracing the guys and talking with them whether he has prior relationships with them or not I would say if I do something well whether it’s in practice or a game and I make a little just a little play I got off the wall well and I made a little sauce pass to the Middle where our centerman came out quick and I go back to the bench and he’s like good job that’s all I need just something give me something I know I’m a grown man I I get all that but we’re all like we’re all human I need you to PP me up I need confidence confidence such a is such a big thing not only in hockey but in life in general if you’re a boss that you’re you’re running a a a you know some sort of company like I need I would want my boss to pump my tires up just to let me know that you saw what I did well now I’m like okay I like that larel used to do that to me and he I used to I would do something and after a game he just gave me a tap tap on the butt when I walked on on the on the bus in front of everybody just a little tap on the butt that’s all I needed now when he didn’t do that I’m like oh boy uh oh what did I do okay you know like so so but you can’t be hey happy gol lucky every day like you gotta put your foot down too we’ve seen that when he coached Boston he’ll call you out so if everything’s like roses and Gumball drops yay everything’s fun no no no you start slipping and you start uh you know energy level and your your passion isn’t there then you know what he’s going to call you out so you better remember that too so uh as long as you keep playing hard he wants to play Blue Collar hockey I know it’s somewh of a cliche I get what he’s saying you go and you go and you throw Puck on net and you stick up for each other like they did in in New York when Matt rpe is literally running around crushing guys my God but you know even you see Joel Haller kind of bumping the sh shurin like okay what’s up like I’m not Ben like okay we’re here let’s go so just little things like that keep that passion up but it’s nice to have a coach that recognizes even the little things you do well cam is is there a different type of Gravitas for a coach like barui right who was a player and and was a tough player and you knew what you were getting as a player like you’re probably afraid of him and then a coach who’s not that way but has almost unrivaled success I mean you look at Monty in Boston he’s like 120 and 40 he still played he played online with hly here you know yeah no no I understand but it’s a different kind of right like like Ruby was like oh my God I remember seeing that guy just kill people I’m G to get in line because I know what’s waiting for me you know and there’s a lot of hardn players like that like brymore is one of those players and their coaches now but then there’s a guy who comes in and like I said is just like an X and0 guy and and you know everywhere he’s been he’s been winning at over 600% like is there a different kind of gravius to that that you can look at and say he’s our guy now of course you know barui of course has his swag you see him you think of him you look at him and he’s such a down the Earth cool guy to where that helps his personality but don’t get me wrong there’s still coaches that played a thousand games in the NHL that don’t know how to connect to the players and so that thousand games you played only goes so far if you don’t know how to interact on a day-to-day basis and get the most out of the guys or you act like he I played a thousand games none of you have on my team I’m better that that kind of attitude like players judge attitudes they do you have to have that right balance you really really do how do you do that it’s tough it’s tough it truly is just like anything you do there’s always a balance to it so you could play 2,000 game H well how about look at Wayne Gretzky I love him the coolest cat in the world nice can be it didn’t work with him how did that not work he’s the best of the best how can you how can that just automatically work well there’s reasons for it it just didn’t connect now I wasn’t in there but I we’ve interviewed guys on the podcast like George Lor Rock to this that they’ve all had different queries of what happened with him but it just didn’t work so if you take that and you’re like okay Gretzky couldn’t do it but Monty who did only played maybe 120 games he just found a way he had enough time in those situations where he’s like this is what I would want a coach to teach me I’m going to do the same does it matter to a player that your coach got a five-year deal um that’s a good question dude I would say might it might might matter to like maybe one of the assistant coaches that thought that want to be a head coach uh but no no I I think that I would say that if I’m a player I’m like okay this is what we have all right now he could get fired in a couple years we see that Trend going on in NHL but I’m saying that’s probably not going to happen they’re going to be committed to Monty one way or the other but if I’m a player I’m like okay this is what we got we got to work with it I got to do what I got to do maybe I don’t like a little portion of what he says or does know what as a player I got to deal with that you’re the one making good money you’re the one that has to prove to him every single day you better deal with it and in life as a whole anywhere you work you’re always going to deal with somebody that you’re just not 100% comfortable with deal with it find a way and everything else works out but if you keep complaining poor me poor me like that’s in any case in life you can’t do that so the five-year deal I’m like ah the guy’s like good we’re with him let’s do what we got to do what do they have to do what do the Blues have to do going forward to be the team that Army thinks they are score more goals you know score uh uh special teams a little bit of everything how about find an identity you know have passion every single night be more consistent all that every it’s not just one thing it’s that’s a bunch of little things like you just got to be better at so many different things and what we saw last night like they were in control they they were in control of the game they really were they never kind of got down and out you know things were going on they kept their emotions up but they they threw pucks on that not wasted pucks not just I’m gonna throw it and it’s gonna get blocked and now they’re coming down on two on two on one no no no fine weights fine lanes and listen all these guys are skilled every single team has skilled guys who has the most energy every night seriously because a stack team that doesn’t kind of like we’ve been doing this I’m kind of B and you have a a Utah team come in and they’re like I’m motivated tonight let’s go They’re gonna win or They’re Gonna Keep It competitive so keeping that emotion alive is the start in my opinion but building confidence with these young guys and if the young guys are playing well then the older guys are like wait a minute why is he getting more PowerPoint time oh oh yeah now there’s competition baby let’s go competition’s healthy that’s what you want to create so so in your mind then you you have all that you you you look for all that you want to create that everything what’s a realistic expectation for the the ceiling for this team right now Monty talked about he goes I don’t know the ceiling right I don’t know the I don’t know the guy the team enough you know the team like what what’s realistic this is a team people look at this Cam and I asked that question because people will look at this and be like well the blues made a coaching change in late November and got Craig barui and they won the Stanley Cup right and they didn’t have Elite you know gamebreaking Talent on that team but they found a way and they the gender got hot and everything was great and they look at this team and they’re like well I mean it could be similar I mean what’s the ceiling for this team is it Sim in it uh not to 2019 like let’s be realistic all right and you know I don’t want to bash well Cam said they’re not gonna win a cup they could make me look foolish then you know what I mean I’m GNA have to be on a plane for five hours to these guys in a couple days like it is what it is but you know I got to be real it’s they’re not 2019 2019 all lot of people pundit in Canada and all over the place like no this team is legit this year that wasn’t the case right so they needed it you know if you I know they didn’t have Superstars legit hot Hall Famers maybe Petro might be on two 2019 but look at their lineup dude they were loaded they were deep deep and they were heavy and mean and they’re fence were big and mean and Benner got hot like that’s how you win like you have to have all those intangibles to win the Stanley Cup anyway so they had that they just had to put it together this year I would say I would just squeak in I know you’re in the Central Division you got some you got some teams playing well Winnipeg doesn’t lose Minnesota’s doing great Colorado’s figuring it out although you know they had a little mix up the other night their goalie Situation’s goofy but do you have some compid ition in the Central Division so all I look at I want I just want to see an improvement not a little Improvement a big Improvement and if that’s a not a if you improve enough to where we’re the fans in this town at the end of this year are like let’s go they might squeak in like that’s what I want and if they do and you could do some damage with a hot goalie and figure things out and some of the young kids figure it out as well then I’m like okay now now we’re Rock and and rolling but for me to say like oh you should win the whole thing like come on cam I got to ask you you brought it up a little bit earlier and it’s such a big topic of conversation here all the time what do you think of the Matt Ry experience I like him he looked Goofy last night though you can’t do stupid things like hitting Nathan Walker he don’t have the puck you could have killed him hey you’re lucky ripe that you didn’t get dinged for that I know they had a little hearing and they’re like yeah it wasn’t that hard but don’t avoid that because you were pretty good the rest of the game you hit a couple maybe it wasn’t Nathan Walker you know right in front of the benches you guys know what I’m talking about but he did make another neighbor Jakey boy neighbors who I love by the way he’s a tough kid who’s playing well um so like I saw that like oh dude like come on you can’t do that man you’re lucky you didn’t get dinged you’re gigantic you really could have hurt him and if you would have just elbowed them a little bit you would have been gone for seven games you’d have been sit back down do you want to play at Hartford dude do you you like playing in Hartford making that American League money or whatever it is I don’t know if he’s I don’t even know what his contract situation is but you can’t be one and done man don’t just have 15 minutes of fame you’re a big kid you can move around just find ways to do great things with a puck always get it out of the Zone but don’t put yourself in a stupid scenario where you hit a guy weird when he doesn’t have the puck when it’s unnecessary you catch a guy on the for check a little bit weird hey man that’s a hockey play you win in you’re trying to disrupt get some ozone time but that crap what I saw in front of the benches actually pissed me off but don’t you can’t do that kind of stuff you got to smarten up a little bit well you know what it’s interesting I’m glad Shawn brought it up because I was going to bring it up with you too I wanted to get your opinion on him to me Matt rampy and the player like that the if he can skate there’s place for him in the game right but then you do something like that and it kind of ruins it for the other guys too like the other guys who were who are trying to make an aim for themselves who are big physical guys like that I mean he’s maybe a unicorn in terms of his size and and everything like that but you there is there still should be I would imagine you agree with me a place in the game in a speed skill game for guys like that who can be real impact players as long as they’re not doing that stuff right it’s not even about the fighting yeah can you hit insistently and disrupt plays where people fear you and they throw the puck up the boards and you cuse turnovers that’s it stay out of the box don’t a skating two-minute minor you know what the bch does when you do something stupid like that their heads go down likeah deflated I didn’t take the I I I hit guys weird and I don’t want to but I never like took tripping calls I never tried to like I I just didn’t get like stupid two-minute penalties because I just knew my teammates would be like oh God now the best players on a team have to go out there and rip shots against them and block shots which are you know you’re rolling the dice every time you block a shot anyway now you take a dumb penalty the best players have to go out there stop start stop start pucks flying at him 100 miles hour it wears you out man it deflates you smarten up cam thank you so much for joining us we really appreciate it we know you’re busy with your podcast which is fantastic um why don’t you give a little plug and uh we’ll let you go well uh it’s called the Camas trick podcast we just had uh Danny Bole on remember Danny Bole great guy good good Metal Head cam yeah oh really how do you even get into that you should have told me that a couple days ago but he he’s got some great stories anytime you play a thousand games like that uh there’s always you played with so many different guys there’s just stories out the wazo so check that out although it is rated R so if your children in the car you know don’t listen to it okay I can’t cater to niney olds my bad that’s our demographic cim thank you so much for joining us we really appreciate it anytime guys talk soon Sean as we said at the top the energy great energy from Cam Jansen and great insight and information too love having him on he’s our blues guy he’s our go-to blues guy and there’s a lot of them there and for for fans who don’t know cam Janson and don’t remember him from his playing career go on YouTube do yourself a favor go on YouTube watch some highlights and you will see where that energy comes from he was a part of some really good devil teams and he brought it every night he had a small role but he brought it every night he was one of my fav favorite players to watch because he he overcame such long odds to make it he was one of the first St Louis guys to ever make it and if you look at his path to the NHL it’s everything he talked about just grinding every day and never taking no for an answer dude I am literally ready to run through a wall right now I hope our listeners too are too but maybe you know they can wait about 15 or 20 minutes before they do it so finish out you know this episode uh and listen hey he he was I love the story told about L Amarillo just giving him a little tap on the butt you know that’s how he knew that’s how he knew he did something right and when he didn’t get the tap oh boy that didn’t that didn’t go over that well in his mind right but let’s stick with a a a the coaches theme that we’re on here also a small little sliver you know uh tangentially to St Louis still the Toronto Maple Leafs with Craig barui obviously the coach who led the blues to the Standley Cup Championship in 2019 Sean the Leafs are seven- one without Austin matth beyond that they are scoring 3.13 goals per game without arguably the best goal scorer in the league right now he’s still out of the lineup out eight games now but beyond that Sean it’s the buuy effect in Toronto his first year there and this team is defending well they’re getting quality goal tending but they are defending so well look at this number 2.4 48 goals against per game second in the National Hockey League right now as we talk 83.6% on the penalty kill seventh came in he said we have to keep the puck out we have to focus on defending let our defense turn into offense they’re still scoring over three a game but if the Leafs are going to score at at three a game and they can keep the they’re going to be a very dangerous team this looks like a really different dangerous Toronto M beliefs team they look like a playoff team they play like a playoff team they play like a team that you don’t want to see in the playoffs right you always want to see the Toronto Maple Leafs in the playoffs because they’re going to run and Gun and if you could match them if you had the pieces like the Bruins always did to match them you’re going to win cuz they’re going to open up and your skill players are going to be their skilled players I don’t think that’s the case anymore I don’t know if it lasts till the end of the year but like I look at their roster and I don’t know how they’re doing it I mean I do it’s barui and he’s making players play outside of their comfort zones but like you you look at the offense first guys there then you’re like they’ve never been able to play defense and now all of a sudden they are I mean the it it’s it’s a four-line 3D pair effect right and and I think there’s a situation there in Toronto where everybody knows their role and is willing to ex is not just accepting their role but they’re trying to thrive in their role right listen this is a different thing but I just did a story with Matt Cullen he’s going into the US Hockey Hall of Fame that story is going to run um over the weekend or next week and one thing Matt Collin was telling me is that early in his career he came in he was an offensive guy he wanted to be an offensive guy he thought he was a number one Center and that’s the way he tried to play and he never really was he never became that number one Center he was never a 30 goal scorer he was never more than 49 points in a season so his first seven seasons were through Anaheim and Florida he never really had he never really embraced the type of player he he could he was supposed to be in this league then once he embraced the role he said I’m G to be the best I can be at the role I’m supposed to play and then he became a middle a top middle six forward who could produce who could defend who could win faceoffs kill penalties do all the little details become a coach’s dream right so I bring that back to the Toronto Maple Leafs they have guys now who are embracing their roles and not only are they embracing their roles they’re thriving in their roles they’re trying to be the best they could possibly be in their role and on top of that Mitch Marner has been Elite John Taris is producing offense again William neander we know how good he is he’s playing well and they’re getting great goal endings so you put that all together you get a team that’s going to be successful and play like a playoff team the Leafs have been a playoff team but they have never played like a team that you would expect to win in the playoffs that’s the barui effect that’s why they brought him in that’s why he is the coach of this team now because not because they lacked regular season success in the past it’s because they’re building towards something bigger and they have to adopt those principles right now and try to be the best in their role right now yeah and I think think the other comparison is to Steve eisan right like for some of their really skilled players it’s how many points do you want to score or how many cups do you want to win right and Eisman had to have that conversation with Bowman and he had to listen and then they won and he was never 100o player again but it didn’t matter Scott Stevens is another example right like the NHL is littered with examples of guys finally having the light bulb go off and say I can rewrite record books I can be a superstar but I’ll never get what I want for me to get what I want I need to subjugate myself to the team it’s always been that way in the NHL yeah and I think barui has as we talked about with Cam the gravitas to tell somebody this is what you need to do to win I’m a winner I’m going to tell you how to win and now Austin Matthews can come back in the lineup whenever he does and he doesn’t have to be a savior coming back into the lineup he can be a player just a you know play his role be the best you can be in your role and he’ll fit right in with what the Leafs are doing ironically Sean the New Jersey Devils are playing this way too and the former coach of the mate beliefs is the coach of the devils and Sheldon Keefe they’ve been really good too and they’re keeping the puck out of the net they’re generating offense they’re getting quality goal tending their special teams have been terrific they’re beating good teams they’re 10 and3 in the last month and they’ve beaten Vancouver Edmonton Florida twice Carolina and Washington and in nine of those 13 games they allowed two goals or fewer including a game against Carolina that I went to at at the Rock uh last week and they were just they were just flat out better than the hurricanes in that game hurricanes were on a backto back but they were just flat out better than them it’s amazing what a healthy defense can do right and the fact that they’ve added goenda blished and and that there’s some confidence in but they’ve been able to reimagine their whole defense because everybody’s gotten healthy doggy Hamilton’s healthy you know and and they brought in peshy and they’re able to kind of and Dylan so they’re able to move things around and guys are able to play where they belong you know Luke Hughes isn’t getting as lunch fed to him right because he has to play up Simone is in AHL yeah Sean ther and he was a number two defenseman last year right yeah yeah so when you have the pieces you’re a much better Coach right and I I think that the Devils had a lot of the pieces last year and they weren’t good because they couldn’t stop a puck and their defense was in over its head and they fixed that Fitzgerald their GM fixed all of it he went out and got goenda priority he redid the defense and he let their offense speak for itself and he brought in a little sandpaper right and and n and and CER and guys like that and you know you watched them play Nashville last night and Nashville is not a great team they’re struggling to find it but they’re a big physical team at times and the Devils can’t beat him I think it’s like 19 I think it’s like 2009 was the last time that they beat the Predators they just give them fits and part of it is because they play a big heavy game and now the devils are built to withstand it and to initiate it and then to top it all off you get Nico with the hattrick yeah no listen and you know what I love too they’re living up to expectations right their expectations were high going into the season they were not a playoff team last year they were a m they they they were a middling team lot of injuries changed coaches the midseason last year Lindy Ruff to Travis Green it did not go well and they they made additions markstrom Allen obviously last season they got Allen markstrom in the off season n was a great addition other guys as well peshy for sure Dylan for sure an expectations sworded for the New Jersey Devils can they win the Metro can they be the best team in that division they got to be a playoff team no doubt about it right well it’s not easy to live up to expectations when you’re throwing pieces together that have never played before bringing in new guys who have never been a part look at the Nashville Predators they’re the perfect example of that right expectations were high there and that team is really struggling right now expectations were high in New Jersey and they’re living up to it they’re get they’re they’re playing the way they were built to play and that is I think there’s a lot to be said for that Sean the way they’re doing it right now in a way Toronto is as well so I got a question for you before we move on to Thanksgiving and what we’re thankful for well two things one I’m still curious just speak of new coaches I’m still curious if Lindy Ruff is going to have that effect in Buffalo they keep vacillating and I might be back on the on the uh Buffalo bandwagon I know our boss Bill price is he’s thankful for Lindy Ruff because they’re starting to win again but I have a hat to trick question for you Dan okay if you’re if you’re at a game right if you’re at a game no there’s no right or wrong if you’re at a game and you’ve borrow borrowed somebody’s hat to go to the game and somebody scores a hattick do you throw that hat on the ice yes they gave me the Hat they gave me the Hat fully aware that if a hattick is scored the protocol is to send the Hat onto the ice yes I have to throw that it’s it’s protocol it’s National Hockey League protocol if my team scores a hattick and I am wearing hat I have to send that hat onto the ice that’s I that’s in the ticket actually I think it’s it’s in the fine print of the when you buy the ticket that you have to do that so yes 100% and why do you ask cu the boy went to the Nashville game last night against the against the devils and Nico scored a hattrick and he took my toque and he threw it on the ice well listen especially if it was my you know if I was him and it was my father’s hat 100% I would do it you should be proud of him this this is not this shouldn’t be a question this should be a pride factor that your son who is a hockey fan is is keenly aware that you know when the guy stores a hatrick the the the shefo comes off and it goes on to the ice you should be proud that he is embracing the tradition of the hatrick but it to to wrap the story up it was the best of both worlds because he was a little weak armed from where he was the hat did not make it onto the ice and when he moved down at the end of the game to watch the end of the game he found the hat that is something you should leave out of the story I’ll tell you that right now okay that he couldn’t make it onto the well they were far away dude well you also have to understand listen and it it was a toque so very light yeah it’s going to float right it it can’t it can’t spin with a brim I understand you have to understand too there the physics of this has to weigh in that while it is protocol if your Hat’s not going to make it it’s it’s just going to go to somebody else now if that somebody else is willing to throw that hat onto the ice at least you’ve got yourself a relay but no if you can’t make it I don’t know got to keep it all right so now before we get out of here and we enjoy our meals either with or without Christmas salad and for longtime listeners they know what we’re talking about what are you thankful in hockey Dan for so this is an exercise we were doing on nhl.com this week uh obviously because it’s Thanksgiving and there’s a number of things obviously I’m thankful well number one I’m thankful for the fact that I get to make a living doing this right so that’s that’s just personal and that’s number one but I am so thankful Sean that we still get to see Alex oetkin and cydney Crosby play at a high level it’s two decades now 20 seasons and oetkin is before the injury was scoring like he was 10 years younger and Sydney Crosby and I know the penguins are still struggling but Sydney Crosby is still Elite he’s still so good the perfect hockey player and he continues to bring in and he just scored 600 goal six his 600th goal we never thought of Sydney Crosby as a goal scorer he’s got 600 he’s one of 21 players in the league to do it so I am so thankful that I still get to do that I’m thankful that my kids get an opportunity to see Crosby and oetkin still going at a high level that if you were 19 years old today you might have been born when they just broke in and you’ve gotten to see their whole careers like it’s amazing to me soak it in right because we may never see this again two guys committ at the same year the same time with expectations that are astronomical almost unmet expectations and they not only meet those expectations they’ve blown past them years ago yeah no it’s it it it it’s going to be one of the great stories in the history of hockey and and we got to live it a little self- serving here I’m really thankful to the listeners of this podcast because this is the highlight of my week every week and if we didn’t have people listening to it Bob Bender wouldn’t let us do it anymore so I’m really thankful that you all take the time to listen and whatever form you do whether you’re working out or driving or walking or sitting at your desk please please keep listening tell your friends about it but in the hockey world what I’m thankful for is go look at the top of this the leaderboard points wise there’s a lot of new faces there man there’s still the the the stalwarts the coocher offs the dry Cal mcdavid’s a little out of the picture he’s 11 he’s coming in just like last year right slow start never mind here I come but now you got guys like Dylan stro you got guys like capr off um you know just reinhardt’s tied for the leading goals after making a name for himself last year um just really like fresh faces and new stories and it it it’s a Harbinger for how healthy the league is and we just talked about Crosby and oetkin and there’s going to have to be a next and there’s a lot of people putting their foot forward and their hand up and saying I want to be next and I’m going to show you that I am next and I’m not saying that any of these guys are going to be Crosby or oetkin but they’re going to be new limelights at the top of the Marquee it’s what makes this league great it’s what makes it exciting every single night it’s what makes the parody in the league fantastic and it’s what we’re thankful for Sean that was very well said by you I try you try well let’s and this was a lot of fun you go and enjoy your holiday uh Thanksgiving is a time for like you said a lot of food family football and then hockey on Friday uh so enjoy your holiday I hopefully will enjoy mine all the listeners enjoy theirs if 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