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The Telegraph’s Sam Wallace and The Mirror’s Darren Lewis discuss the story that sporting director Dan Ashworth is to leave Manchester United after five months.
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some big news coming out of Manchester United this morning sporting director Dan Ashworth has left the club after just five months in the role that’s according to the Athletics Sam I know you’ve got more on this story what can you tell us well I haven’t got any more than that that I know it’s true it’s a brilliant Story by David and and Lori and it’s um it’s a it’s got all the elements of of a great newspaper or or online as we now say story and it’s it’s such a shock yeah and um clearly uh the the bigger picture is going to emerge but this is an executive who they pursued very hard I mean it’s it was a big signing in that world and that he came from um arriv rival I mean there’s no doubt about it Newcastle United a very powerful club now they’ve qualified for the champions league and to go and take a senior executive away like that is is a big move there was a lot of discussion with Jim Radcliffe’s giving interviews about how he objected to the gardening leave and and and how long it took for Ashworth to come over I think I’m right in saying that he only started in July so I mean this is an astonishingly quick kind of I think he was on five months of guarding leave and he’s been five months in the J that’s amazing isn’t it I mean you can’t I mean in football you can’t really do anything in five months I mean United is I’m sure we will discuss this giant oil tanker that various different people have tried to turn in in in more profitable directions but um what I would say is I always felt there was there was quite a lot of execs assembled very quickly by inos that’s that’s how they they built the their new kind of structure they went sort of yeah I understand why they built the hierarchy but you’ve got Christopher Val came who was formerly at Chelsea Jason Wilcox who um formerly a technical director or sporting director at Southampton they had a new ex chief executive H barard came from Manchester City in I suppose if if one was to speculate then you might say there was a bit of a kind of Hunger Game feel about Dave braford and then so then you yes you’re right then you’ve got the the the whole kind of architecture that comes within your so you’ve got s R Cliff who’s clearly a very wealthy man and very powerful used to getting his own way Dave brailsford who’d come from British cycling who’s who’s I think I think his I think his title is technical director of inor sport which covers a multitude of things Sam do you think there’s a tension between uh the fact that they’ve acquired all this expertise as you say Brad had come from City Dan ashw had come from Newcastle they went to Great lent to get him but then you have Ratcliffe as you say wealthy man and you have alongside in brownford who’s from cycling he’s not from football we know what it’s like in football where there are uh lots of people who are very experienced who have acquired that experience over a number of years how do you go from working at a club where your experience is listened to to another club where you are the person with that expertise but you also have an owner who has alongside him someone he trusts implicitly who’s not as some would describe it a football man I think everyone would Des describe it is not a football man he’s a cycling man that’s what he did I think it comes down to power in the end I mean I’m I’m convinced that that’s how football clubs operate that that in the end it’s who seizes the power and who hangs on to it and in this case it looks like they those those with the power and and the football operation is run by rackliff he only you know we have to remember inos only has a minority stake something around 25 27% when it all kind of is cashed in but they run the club on behalf of the glazers who who still have the majority share well they have the majority of the votes that of the shares that actually count as voting shares I think I think it comes down to that it comes down to power I think Ratcliffe is is in a hurry to run the club in the way that he wants and I’d also wonder I mean we talk about another big departure with Eric turn so that I mean that was clearly was a was a botched operation to give him a new contract in the summer and then to get rid of him so within the space of just a you know a couple of months they’ve got rid of two key people who they’ve invested in very heavily within the last 12 months is this how you run an elite club then you know I mean or not you know because this you say in a hurry to do stuff five months like you already said d uh it’s not kind of like a a sign that that somebody can get their feet under the table and and do what they needed to do so Dan was perhaps struggling with what he needed to do in terms of his role so I’m asking the question does this show signs that this is another sign that that Manchester United are not being run so well in terms of of at the top well the presentation of a Lori you mentioned David onstein and Lori were both of whom broke this story um and Lori tweeted this morning a couple of things I found very interesting he said that the the decision was made during conversations post Forest yesterday now obviously the atmosphere fairly feal post for us yesterday so you do wonder it would be a natural assumption to make well in what kind of atmosphere was that decision come to and the second thing he said in that tweet that he put out this morning uh Lori with his exclusive in conjunction with David presented as Mutual now what does that mean presented exactly yeah exactly um and so that suggests to your point Sam that there are fractures behind the scenes there there there is the the only thing you could assume from looking at that is that there is some kind of power struggle um it’s a natural assumption to make and you can only judge in answer to your question about the way to run things behind the scenes by what other clubs have done yeah the transition between Jurgen klopp and Anna slot at Liverpool has been seamless and nobody knew he was coming until he was coming and since he’s been there there has been a real smoothness about the way that things have operated you mentioned lots of Cooks at Old Trafford they are they are they are it’s a lot going on isn’t it really I mean we we haven’t got a comparison to another um you know the liverpools but I dare say there’s perhaps less players in the hierarchy in terms of other other clubs maybe I’m I’m just off the top of my head I mean so Liverpool obviously owned by FSG and that that their whole operation now is run by Michael Edwards who’s returned to the club yes since klopp left um and they have a sporting director Richard Hughes at Liverpool but I think it’s fair to say that all power flows through Mike Michael Edwards via Mike Gordon the one of the presidents of of FSG who who own multiple um American multiple they own some big American franchises sport offensers but they’re trying to buy another European club we digress I mean there are I mean Jean Claud Blan has been temporary CEO of Manchester United I mean I think they’ve been through about four CEOs in the last 18 months you had Richard Arnold uh you had their general counsel who was p I think Patrick Stewart who was for a while CEO um now you’ve got Omar Bara but I there say this is costing them a bubble too as well when people well when you sack when you sack expensive Executives yes they I I imagine they have they have big kind of severance fees and and we’ve talked about uh you know they they’ve sacked a lot of their Rank and file stuff they sacked 250 people people have been made redundant at Manchester United and you know that does happen after takeovers and and and it’s very very painful for those involved but I I it’s cost him a lot of money to sack ten and his staff and I and I I would I would be doubtful that um it’s going to be cheap to do the same with Dan ashth I mean and this is pure speculation I do wonder if if if they somehow if there was something in the contract that made it cheaper to do it earlier rather than later but that’s just that’s just me talking off the top of my head I have no idea if that’s right but you can join dots I mean Martin SE makes a point in the Sunday Times this morning that the costs are passed on to the fans because it doesn’t cost the club a lot of money it’s the fans and we’ve seen this week that the clubs have made their views known about their disqui their displeasure their anger in many cases over the fact that it costs far more to watch Manchester United whether you’re an adult whether you’re a child than it did previously all of these departures from the club are having a KnockOn effect on the people who pay who have that Financial as well as emotional investment in the football club you’ve got a piece something your in the sun I think on I do it’s the back page of the sun um and it’s mediocre and it’s an interview given by uh sir Jim Ratcliffe to Andy Mitten at the United We Stand fany now you know this is a journalist show and Andy’s a superb journalist and um to be able to elicit the amount of trust it takes for someone so influential in the game to be as honest and open as Jim Ratcliffe has been to Andy cannot be understated what does beg the question is why sir Jim and it’s kind of weird asking this question because we are in the information business I will never sit here and say that people shouldn’t talk never I will never do it all right but when to talk is when to speak is is very different and I just feel like the timing of this I’m not sure it helps the club it was before the match yesterday it was before the defeat but I’ll just point to some of the things that he told Andy as I say Andy’s done a great job in being able to elicit this level of trust from him he’s had to go at um he’s Justified the ticket prices he said the whole club is mediocre hence the headline look at the subject there as well so Jim rips into Club stuck in the last century that’s a reference to their data analysis which he says doesn’t really exist you never heard this kind of thing from David Gil you never heard this kind of thing from any of his predecessors because do do do ownerships of big clubs do this um do they you know it’s genuine question do they need does s Jim need the Manchester United fans on board with him is he at risk of kind of alienating some of the fans I don’t think he cares I think I think he’s in a hurry he’s 72 years old he’s finally got his hands on a big British Football Club he’s tried you know he had to go at buying Chelsea as well um he says he’s United fan as a child so I just I think he’s P caring to the point Sam what impact will this make I think United is is is so is is a ship on such choppy Waters I think I think you’re right you know 25 years ago something like this would have had a huge impact but these storms seem to blow by very quickly now because of the of the chaos that’s in golf from post Ferguson and and it’s H is right I mean mediocre is kind at times by by the amount of relative to the amount of money they’ve spent it’s been much worse than mediocre I would say over you know since since Fergy left in 2013 um I think mediocre is probably if you were just to you know without looking at the sort of sums invested by the club you you know that that’s probably a fair assumption but actually I think millions and millions have been wasted compared to you look at clubs like way that Liverpool and Arsenal have rebuilt even though they don’t have the a state owner or a kind of Middle Eastern Royal in charge they they’ve done such a better job of it than United United have not they you know for all the criticism of the glazers they have spent money on contracts and fees but the the returns have been so poor when you say he doesn’t care I mean you don’t mean he doesn’t care about the club do you you mean what just Quan he cares about the reaction so much okay I think he’s there he’s there to make this club better right that’s people like that have always existed in football we’ve always had had you know going right back you know through the 60s and70s had outspoken chairman or managers and and that’s been a tradition of football I think in in the more recent history where football’s been through a much more kind of sort of corporate um kind of facelift really and and and and clubs have tended to behave more like um footsy 100 companies whatever there’s been more um restraint from Executives but I just I I don’t think he SE it that way I don’t actually mind it I think he’s right but I think he’s in a real hurry and that takes us back to the Ashworth situation he’s he’s made a quick decision and he’s he knows that PE people are going to be discussing it on TV and in the newspapers saying this looks like chaos but he’s done it because he thinks it’s the right one I don’t think he really Minds what people think I think he’s he’s well past that that stage of his life what about Ruben amaron what will he be thinking at the moment because obviously he’s come to the the club um you know the right one perhaps that you know right place right time he feels but he’s going to wake up to this news as well obviously they got the defeat yesterday as well um what have we learned so far under his tenure do you think um we’ve learned that there is a greater appetite to work among the players for him I really like the performance in the Everton game um I’m not too perturbed by what I saw yesterday because I think at the moment he’s still working out who who is part of his plans and who’s not and given that he doesn’t have a preseason to be able to do that he’s got to use you know the games to be able to do that hland looks a better player under him there are certain players you know you look at the lights of Ahad and ugat and Fernandez who took his goal superbly well yesterday there are certain players who are going to thrive under him um I’ll just say I think Martinez is bullied on set pieces and I’m not quite sure he’s going to be in the the back forward of future I know some raised an eyebrow there Carlo angelotti style but so maybe you might disagree with that um do you go one no I think it’s a fair point I I I I would I wasn’t at the game I was um I was at Palace yesterday but I watching the highlights I felt that it came down to individual errors and and it may just be over the course of time that that martinz does get moved on or an Anor is judged not to be good they both made big mistakes yesterday and and and there’s not much a new manager can do about that I I think they’ve got the appointment right he’s he’s a really credible figure what he achieved at sporting was pretty amazing um a lot about the the mod manager is the presentation and he he does that brilliantly yes but in the end it is the results and he he believes in something he’s got a way of playing I mean that may that doesn’t guarantee you success but it it gives you a foundation for it and it I think it’s it’s the way way he just has to show progress he just has to show progress and that’s not easy I mean Eric tenh hard won two trophies so it’s not simple to do that um and sometimes it’s it’s people hate I know this is a certain c d people don’t like it when you say but it’s not always the result I mean the performance tells you a lot as well so yes he but you going back to your earlier point which is very pertinent is how would he feel this morning I mean I mean I’m sure he will be flabbergasted I mean Dan Ashworth was there greeting him as he got out the people carrier to walk into the training ground for the first time he must be thinking my goodness I’ve really got to get a handle on the politics of this club um I’m sure that he was fully briefed on it and he didn’t learn about it logging on to the athletic you know he would have um he would I would have liked to think he would have known about it before then um so I’m sure a lot of their efforts this morning will be going to sort of explain to Ruben what’s happened and make sure he’s okay and on board and and smth that before they then turn their attentions to the public perception of the club I think if you join the dots I mean quite clearly looking at what’s we’ seen yesterday and then mid week they need reinforcements now what are those reinforcements going to look like you would imagine maybe Dan would have been on board with what ruin would have wanted may it may well be that other people might not be on board with what Rubin wanted so as Sam was saying maybe there does need to be they would have had that conversation already um but you do wonder how it will fit into their recruitment plans going forward uh and what that would look like and the other thing that Sam said which is absolutely true and we’ve got to be fair yes this is a difficult time for United and it could be easy to criticize them but they did back tenh har to a lot of people’s surprise they did back him almost in every position on the pitch if I’m not mistaken and obviously Dan was a huge part of that absolutely and subsequently in the summer as well when they gave New Deal they did back him it is not true to say that they don’t give the managers money um it is just a question that’s raised now a legitimate one of what those reinforcements are going to look like and you wonder actually not that we’ve got time to discuss it whether they’re going to reinforce that position whether Dan ashworth’s Position will be placed by somebody and who do they get in that role going forward but like I say that’s a whole another show I think um let’s go to the papers Mad Dog soft kittens we’ve got is that right well we saw the coverage on skyports news last week didn’t we of Robben Amin’s press conference where he talked about wanting to see Mad Dogs he wanted effort he said the fans if nothing else they want to see effort from the players the problem was yesterday that was all they saw effort but they didn’t see good enough decision making they didn’t see good enough quality they didn’t see enough goals which is why obviously Manchester United lost and um Simon’s assessment of this match was that they were Pussycats they were kittens yesterday raen Mad Dogs and it’s going to take so much more from this side uh for some players to be in his plans going forward I think some of the the the col is going to be quite ruthless I think because initially I thought well there’s still a lot of good players there and he he all it needs is kind of the kind of thing that we saw from unary Aston Villa when he arrived and he took them from what 14th in the Premier League up to the fringes of the European places I think it’s very different at United I think it’s going to take a lot longer but he does need that time they don’t they don’t have any money either they they’ve made losses over the last few years their PSR is right on the brink so making changes they’re they’re they’re pretty snooker there really [Music]
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