Cleveland Cavaliers championship odds, more Jimmy Butler trade rumors & a Browns/Dolphins preview

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[Music] n n [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] n [Music] [Music] Jay Crawford Adam the bull Garrett Bush Dustin Fox Jason Lloyd tyus Powell plus da da da you’re loving him Mikey McNuggets and so many big names it would take me hours to say all of their names the ultimate Cleveland sports show starts now booah welcome to the ultimate Cleveland sports show Merry belated Christmas Day after to you and your families we appreciate you guys for tuning in here on a Thursday morning Mikey McNuggets tiis Powell G Bush coming at you we have Anthony Antonelli and director Steve behind the glass Earls enjoying a welld deserved day of paid time off tiis I know that’s going to rub your gears it does cuz I I just expect more out of Earl man Earl you know you know Earl’s problem is what’s Earl’s problem he think he he think he arrived man but listen no no no cuz the Earl I knew would never do that like this is a everyday grind he he didn’t made it a couple times he got his own show got a new little co-host make sure y’all check out ultimate 216 by the way is he got own little got some guests coming on and stuff like that and now all of a sudden he think he could take time off man I swear hey man ain’t no time off man I got we I got 96 shows and I got to still keep going to it it’s crazy I’m looking around I said man we working on Thursday yeah g no no you’re working on Thursday coming to Earl’s defense I’ve taken four days off in two weeks so yeah Earl’s fine some are saying that sick man the day I take a day off boy y’all going between here and Columbus radio they GNA fall apart without me Ty what would you say to the allegations that Earl took today off to celebrate the fact that he made his hard KN debut on Tuesday night you know I see I see in hard KN yeah I seen him posted he had like a checklist old like Old Co or uh Emy a war winner host of his own show Cameo hard KN I said this man is out of control he like Steve like director Steve he get recognized one time and just lost his mind man y’all hey man he might be he he might be trying to buy him a boat too he but it’s his I’m proud of Earl man his is a fishing boat though his is like literally a fishing boat like it’s like a it’s like one of them old school bathtubs it’s just big like a ra yeah like Raph in a paddle he like yeah I’m you see Earl on Lake Eerie go down to Shadow Lake or something like that if you if you guys missed the Hard Knock episode on Tuesday miles Garrett was one of the guys they featured miles Garrett on Monday went to the Cavs game and he had a conversation with Darius Scarlett and Donovan Mitchell before the game and as he was talking to Darius Earl and I were behind him trying to get a picture for ucss social media and of course that’s exactly what they captured but they didn’t put that part in they just put me and Earl talking to each other so they actually did me and Earl solid did y’all like see the hard on cameras and stuff when y was there yeah there was three of them following every step it and they had boom mics what you don’t see is that conversation where him and Darius are talking there are three mics right above their head you just don’t see that on the actual shot so yeah it’s pretty hard to missed the fact that hard KN was following him around but uh shout out to Earl much deserved well earned paid day off man paid day off man this is wild bro was Santa good to you G man listen I don’t need Santa Claus G is G is Santa Claus big polar bear Santa bro what you mean listen there’s nothing there’s nothing that is unattainable at the moment hey I believe I believe in you know what I’m saying having it on now it’s okay you got to have it on now this is you know what I’m saying shout out to my people this is light you know what I’m saying get your don’t be little puffy jacket little puffy don’t be coming around here with the the long trench joints just the just the mid drift joints you know what I’m saying yeah shout out to DTR he thought he was the only one one these off yeah mine is like skin though I got the lightskinn version you know what I’m saying funny you know what I’m saying the D the jeels can’t still call him DTR can we second touchdown pass W you are now you can’t have a niame like that like think of the best players in sports history LeBron LBJ yeah like those threel nicknames it’s because his name is like long and it was and it’s Dorian Thompson Robin but if he’s going to throw no touchdowns and five picks we got to call him Dorian and I bet you all his girls call him Dorian too if you can call PJ Phillip you can call Dorian Dorian well Phillip is you know he’s a winner Philip’s a winner so I man Dave DCR he get two more games everybody this all I’m going say man every everybody talked down on my man Phillip at least he was putting dubs up that’s all I know it’s been a long time is he still in the league I don’t think he’s the practice squad on Seattle is he he’s the practice squad Seattle quarterback he’s playoff bound right now I think he’s play see saying look G’s point is correct everybody lead the Browns man and they now they going to the playoffs and whatnot getting extra checks oh you can’t put PJ in that category is he getting extra checks yep did you get practice squad playoff checks yeah practice play guess he get those extra checks I guess boys off uh one last thing before we dive into Today’s Show topics um tyus asked me this morning if my car got repoed yesterday uh to clarify no my car did not repoed yesterday I had to call triaa my car just would not start on Christmas morning which is a hell of a way to start your Christmas morning yeah no it’s in the shop right now so hopefully we get some good news later but to answer Ty’s question no I did not get repoed that was my own self-d doing calling triple so Anthony gave you a ride Anthony Dr to work today I may or may not have been late to pick him up too I hit every red light and didn’t wake up on time wow man but you could get back but you going on vacation in a couple weeks though I no I’m done I’m I’m here until probably whenever so all right we got a big show we’re talking Cavs we’re talking Browns we’re talking stadium seating prices tus I don’t know if You’ even seen these yet but I’m very curious to see your exact reaction to some of these prices that are alleged to be what season ticket packages for the Dome hole but a let’s get a reading first before we dive into our first topic of the day yeah guys get ready to tackle the NFL action with FanDuel America’s number one Sportsbook because right now new customers can bet $5 and get 250 in bonus bets if you win the FanDuel sports book app gives you everything you need to place live bets on on the NFL all in one place so when you get a hunch in the middle of the game you can go check out the latest stats view live play byplay and so much more all on the same play play page where you place your bets just visit .css to join today never waste a hunch and make every moment count with vanuel America the official Sportsbook partner of the NFL nailed it all right guys might have been hooked on PHX Jimmy Butler it came out yesterday that he is officially open to being dealt by the NBA trade deadline sham chania of ESPN reported that Jimmy Butler would even prefer to be moved by the deadline as it looks like Miami is in that midling limbo level of the NBA they’re not great they’re not terrible Miami could look to use that Butler asset as a ability to move on so G we’ve talked about Jimmy Butler in the past now as you see the tweet from Shams there that he is preferring a trade out of Miami ahead of the deadline is this a guy that should be squarely on the Cavs radar as a must get Target or a must need to solidify the championship odds you know it’s wild the you know project stockpile is is always alive and well deep inside my heart and soul and for you to get a a Jimmy Butler who is a prime time playoff monster Jimmy Butler is one of them dudes that turn all the way up Jimmy Butler turned up in in uh in the playoffs he automatically can shoot threes he has the bully mode down low he’s a competitor he gets a lot of calls he gets to the free throw line 37 times a game however however Jimmy Butler is a little old Jimmy Butler is a little Vol volatile like like Jimmy Butler he like the like he he goes and practices and says I’m just going to embarrass you in practice or he’s like yeah you guys ain’t ain’t built enough right you ain’t built for this I I’m going show you how to get this done now look I don’t know how that flies in this locker room and we do have semi sensitive guys Jared Allen is a little sensitive um Evan MO is a quiet individual Darius Garland is a little more of a reserved guy and the obvious leader is Donovan Mitchell now look if Donovan Mitchell comes out and says listen get me Jimmy Butler obviously um that could be something that would be looked at as uh all right well we’ll see what we can do about it however here’s the problem where’s he where he gonna play is he is Jimmy G Butler gonna play the three I don’t know is Jimmy Butler willing to come off the bench uh probably not I can I can assure 100% he’s not coming off the bench Jimmy Butler’s not coming off the bench um also the the most problematic is if if I’m correct as I was researching this Jimmy has already told teams that he is declining his option that is true and he is going to opt out after this year yep so that puts him as a free agent um I don’t think he’s willing to I don’t I it’d be very difficult unless they won a championship to see where he would stay and how that would line up with the money tyers because because for me um that’s a oneyear rental that ain’t even a one year rental it’s like a six-month rental you got to get it done against Boston but I will say this I don’t think they need them need them need them but it would be nice to have how you going to sit here and do this whole thing be nice sat here for three minutes talking about you know I don’t think it’s going to be right but you know what it would be nice it would be nice come come April May June you you see Jimmy Butler with Donovan and Darius and Mobley against see you can’t do that cuz Darius has to be part of the trade unfortunately uh well see no unless unless you could somehow finagle Miami into taking and and fago is not the right word but you have to match salaries he’s making 50 million this year so how do you get to 50 million without Darius or Jared Allen however they have bam and they just drafted Kow in the first round last year he was a center why would they want Jared Allen so I’m not sure how you get to that 50 million to match Darius isn’t part of the equation tyus I want to hear your opinion first before I chime in how old is Jimmy bun he’s 34 right now jez he that man all right listen I mean the fact of the matter is depending on what you it will really depend on what you have to give up I think that I think G is right on the part of if you got Jimmy Butler I don’t know how he would mesh with this Locker roll you know Jimmy Butler is different he’s a he’s a he’s a alra competitive guy um the caves is very young very loose is the term that a lot of people like to use and obviously you know the last time Jimmy Butler played for a team like that he was like having one-on ones busting people in practice and all these things and it’s just like a it’s like a seriousness that comes with him and I don’t know how that would fit in the Cavs locker room right now now Jimmy but and then on top of that I don’t know how he fits in Kenny Atkinson’s offense you know Kenny Atkinson’s offense is a lot of swinging the ball around getting that that one extra pass hit the three line maybe back door cut maybe hit the layup don’t get me wrong he’s a great finisher but I don’t I don’t look at Jimmy Butler as this great three-point shooter you know you talked about a lot Kenny doesn’t really care for the mid-range shots Jimmy Butler is a huge mid-range shooter so that to me kind of worries me a little bit you know he’s not young anymore so to be able to run around like that and keep swinging the ball and continuously moving and things like that I don’t know if that fits his play style I think that if you added him into this rotation right now even if you did take Darius out added him to the rotation right now is he comfortable without the ball is he like I just I don’t know and then you got you you’re doing it right now which we’re almost in January playoffs starting what in April so now you got three months to try to get this thing to to mesh which we the Knicks just now figuring it out with they stuff so like that to me scares me a little bit don’t get me wrong I Believe Jimmy Butler is a great talent but I think the risk of it what you have to give up and the risk of it all working out right now at this current moment might not be worth it I think I’m shedding a tear guys like I came on this show expecting to fight y’all to the death on why this makes no sense for Cleveland and your guys your grow this basketball analyst see how they right now this is incredible it’s a Christmas miracle ladies and gentlemen trying to play us we don’t know the fact that he took his glasses off is crazy for real though you guys made all the points I wanted to hit on a the Cavs are the best record in basketball through 31 games it would be a giant risk to mess up the core construct of what has worked so well thus far Jimmy Butler has already told to G’s point he’s told teams that he wants to opt out and sign a new contract this summer he’s going to be 34 35 depending on when he signs the deal and if you look at some comparable players at this stage of their careers and what they got Paul George last year at 35 years old got a 4,2 4year $211 million contract that’s crazy would you feel comfortable paying Jimmy but 50 something million when he’s 3839 to acquire Jimmy Butler this year as I mentioned earlier I don’t see how you can include Jared Allen in the deal I just don’t think Miami would want that asset back so it has to be Darius and some other things and probably a first round pick to get him if you were to bring Jimmy Butler in with that new contract at let’s just say four years 50 million per you are locked in and if Jimmy Butler stays as good as he is now for four years okay you still have a championship window if there starts to be a decline in Jimmy Butler’s game that’s an albatross contract that is really hard to navigate around he be hurt a lot and I’m he’s hurt a lot I’m just not risking and willing to give up an asset of darius’s caliber to lock yourself into that rotation for what could be a one-year rental or a half Season Rental or the chance of a declining 35 36 37 38 year old star who’s still making money as the top guys in the league but to the big point this team’s chemistry is unmatched right now I’m telling you guys and you guys and I’m curious from your opinion from a football standpoint good chemistry versus bad chemistry in a locker room and the way you interact and play with your teammates makes a ginormous world of difference yes we’re gonna play you a clip in one sec from the Cavs locker room after Monday’s win that kind of illustrates how tight and how connected this unit is but you go back to his days in Minnesota with Jimmy Butler he challenged the entire team essentially to a fight embarrassed them one-on-one in practice and forced himself to be traded in Philadelphia they chose Tobias Harris over him he still he still says Tobias Harris over me in Chicago he forced his way out I know some guys who work the Jimmy in Miami who speak incredibly highly of him he’s an ultimate competitor they think his process to get to where he wants to go isn’t always right but he’s always just trying to improve the team and win how that message with the meshes with the current C roster I don’t know but let’s hear this clip from the uh locker room on Monday and you tell me are you really going to mess with this chemistry cuz I just can’t buy into it right now a play the clip hope it never happens again did you know who the culprit was y I’m not a Thompson [Applause] W yo TT that was Donan verell Mitchell yo yo T that’s what we doing tit that’s crazy bro full government check that tit whenever you’re on Twitter tonight or X full government check all right say left oh dang Ka crazy so he dropped his middle name Donovan has made it a point not to put his middle name out there it’s not on his basketball reference page it’s not on his Wikipedia it had never been revealed till Monday night and what you don’t see In that clip is as Donovan was walking past us to go shower before he left the arena he asked uh Darius what time’s your flight going home Darius said tomorrow morning Darius asked Donovan and Donovan just kind of smiled and walked away and he goes oh yeah I forgot you got that PJ money I don’t D Turn Around Goes will you shut up like but in a in a good way the chemistry I’m telling you is unmatching that lock right now I’m not messing with it his new name is Rumble sski that’s govern you the middle name that’s by the way man them them fairy tales back in the day was creepy like you get you if you go back and look at them if you go back and look like so so a small little creature says Hey I’m going tell I get to steal your kid if you don’t know my name you got five or 10 years to figure figured it out that was creepy by the way Don Mitchell and Darius Garland you both have PJ money stop acting like we don’t know what the numbers is Darius we we talk we know your contract and everything especially these other people in the media they almost gave you that deshun Watson 230 back still you got PJ money but but sh but but you saw the energy and and the laughter and the joking and the stuff like that and here’s the thing when you bring in a guy like Jimmy Butler let’s just be clear Jimmy Butler is always been an alpha on all teams like he’s like I’m Jimmy Butler y’all can’t tell me how to do it y’all play around too much I got the heat culture on I done been in all these different places I know how to win but then you’re looking around like but do you really know how to win Jimmy you’ve only been around you you you out out your welcome gets outrun in two three years people just get tired of it so he’s a great basketball player he one of them super duper competitors but if you want your face to look like that after wins get bring Jimmy Butler in my thing about Jimmy is Jimmy is a great basketball player but my issue my only thing with Jimmy is and this this might sound kind of crazy I don’t want it to sound crazy so I’m going try to say it as delicately as I can right he’s not a he’s not a great team player like he did what Donovan did last year in the play when Donovan just said you know what get out the way y’all I’mma just do it myself like that’s that’s kind of how Jimmy really got them to because he was just went on a heater it was like all right just give it to it was like Kobe just get give him the get out the way I do it like that so and I think when you think about the Cavs right now now we’ll see we’ll see how they act in the playoffs because that’s ultimately on the on bulls to Bulls credit we got to see what y’all do in the playoffs but right now y’all winning because of so many different people contributing to the win it’s such a team thing that the ball is getting swung around if it turns into Jimmy just getting the ball and just doing Jimmy like that defeats the whole purpose now don’t get me wrong he’s showing you that he can definitely get you there but like oh I’m going to drop a g Bush bomb Shams you’re not the only one that can get that off or W now I would like somebody on their team that that’s fit in very well what Kevin Love where tell tell me listen before you trip out you take you back huh no he you get Kevin you need a big that that can shoot on on a minimal contract on a minimum contract and you don’t trust George ni and he’s in shape if one thing you play for you know if you get somebody from the heat they running miles a day he’s running right now it’s very true he’s in top doot condition ready to and and and listen they got Udonis Hasam sitting next to people people smacking them telling them you better be ready you better be ready but he does bring that defensive element that you need Butler yeah let me that’s the one thing like when you talk about cuz everybody is the Celtics that everybody’s trying to get at like he does it’s a good match against Tatum and brown yeah like that and you need that so let me ask you guys this question and then I’ll answer it with a point let’s just say for the sake of this it was straight up Butler for Darius let’s just swap those two players for the sake of this did the Cavs have a better shot at beating the Celtics in the postseason no yes no yes tell me first I and then we’ll go to you next because I can’t first of all I can’t believe you I can’t believe you said Darius is my boy okay first of all put the camera on me Darius is my boy he’s my favorite player on the Cavaliers but he definitely no show last year in the playoffs with Jimmy that’s not going to happen you got two guys that went in doubt they going to get it done Jimmy and Donovan will get it done they will figure out if it’s if Kenny got to scrap his whole philosophy and scheme them two players alone will find a way to get it done I like the way that they match up now granted Donovan is still under siiz but he’s still a scrappy guy he’s still gonna make it hard and play defense as best as he can so those two guys for those two got Jimmy Jimmy and Donovan versus jayen and Jason I like that that’s a I like that that’s a good I can live with those results because I think those two can both get it done at a high clip NOP you say no why do you say no hey man it’s just like Travis Hunter and his girlfriend Travis not breaking up with that girl leave him alone he likes her I don’t blame him hey do your thing bro Donovan Mitchell is not breaking up with Darius Garland he likes him he made it a point last year I was just asking the question does Jimmy for Darius give him a better chance to be the celf not not would you just does that I’m still saying no we like here’s the here’s your problem you better pray D here’s your problem how do I know that Jimmy Butler from watching their games I don’t know if Jimmy Butler’s game is is good with Donovan Mitchell as it is now see one thing that we that is underrated is you look at the way Darius is facilitating the moveing to basketball we got a free floowing offense Jimmy Butler I Jimmy Butler is is is ISO Joe’s cousin Joe joh like Jimmy Butler has a propensity to get the ball and pound and back down and and I on the Block and get him to his spots Darius Garland is moving the ball we and plus we got to think about this Darius Garland is I think moving slowly into that third role where Evan Moy is getting more usage more touches and look if Jimmy Butler comes here Jimmy Butler is not slowly moving to nothing he’s like yeah let me get this rock and it’s gonna be me and it’s my turn your turn with him and and Donovan Mitchell I like the way they’re playing I like the way uh Garland is getting other people involved does he have some defensive uh limitations sure he does but that just means he’s going to have to be so efficient on the offensive end that some of that stuff can get you know minimized a little bit and by the way played some damn good tough defense the last time the Celtics was in the building so no I’m going to go with the Cavs that’s constituted because I saw a bunch of people losing on Christmas Day and the Cavs was at home chilling with the best record they’ll be on Christmas Day next year I feel pretty damn confident in saying that and Jason and I on our Christmas Day show we talked about that 2016 Cavs Warriors Christmas Day match up greatest of all time which may be one of the best regular season basketball hit the shot what a what a shot uh real quick quick story on that game that I didn’t know so you know how they wore the T-shirt jerseys mhm did I wasn’t here at the time so I didn’t know but LeBron hated those un those jerseys right on Christmas Day and then for game seven of the championship he had asked Nike cuz that was the Nike uniforms right to give him a special modified version where the sleeves were loose as hell so everyone else’s sleeves were painted on like was the uh Under Armour material LeBron didn’t like that so he got his own special custom version of the special custom jerseys with the baggy shooting sleeve so we could he felt better and I thought they was ripped I thought he ripped he ripped them off on one in one game but that was before but that’s before they came back and then they came and then Nike was like LeBron we can’t have you ripping off the jerseys we’re trying to sell so we’re going to make exactly what you want them Christmas cursive jerseys were like they should go back to Christmas jersey I like it was just kind of whack uh we’ll wrap up the Jimmy Butler topic with this I think in the playoffs the style of basketball you play from an offensive and defensive standpoint is very different than how you play in game 25 through game 55h it slows down you do have to rely on more isolation basketball because teams have scouted you so well they know some of your movements Jimmy Butler fits into that mold better than Darius scarland does in theory however having two guys who at any given point can create off the dribble is a distinct Advantage now Butler can don’t get me wrong but he is not the facilitate Darius is and if you were to bring Jimmy Butler in it stunts the growth of Evan Mobley too because if you’re going to use from a usage rate standpoint Jimmy Butler in the same way you’re using darus scarland I don’t think Jimmy’s goingon to be content with that that’s never been Jimmy’s game since he left Chicago he’s in the high 20s low 30s of usage rate darus is at 26% right now Evans at 23% I want to see that go up even more and if you’re going to continue to force feed Evan Mobley like they have and like they should and we’re going to talk about Evan Mobley a little more in a sec that’s going to come out of Butler’s typical touches and if he’s not happy I don’t want to see what happens in the locker room and I don’t want that ripple effect so as enticing as Jimmy Butler may be I can’t bring myself to do it for a potential six-month rental I can’t maybe if they I where you think is good Landing spots for me I maybe somewhere like Dallas he two spot is Golden State in the Suns I can’t see Phoenix I think golden St Mak two preferred golden St will make Golden State Golden State makes a lot of sense yeah Golden State makes a lot of sense all right what’s our next topic today we’re sticking with the Cavs for the first hour so yeah before we move on too 87% of the chat agrees with you guys they would not trade for Jimmy Butler crazy shout out to the chat how about all four of us being right today hey look he man let’s see you get B out the equation we’re all right well we won’t be right until playoffs come around we’ll find out we got a lot to prove still but yes good all right guys before we get to our next topic we got to tell you about our sponsor rocket money did rocket money help you find any subscriptions you forgot about or that you were paying for twice it’s definitely happened to me I had a few subscriptions that I didn’t even realize I was still paying for and Rocket money made it super easy to track them all down it’s like having a personal assistant for your finances rocket money is a personal finance app that helps you find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions monitors your spending and helps lower your bills so that you can grow your savings 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Dallas Phoenix all listed at 16 to1 the Cavaliers currently with the best record in basketball have the seventh best odds according to FanDuel at 17 to1 G Bush you see that graphic and you see Cleveland with 17 to1 odds to win the championship despite having the best record in basketball through the first 30 31 games the season put a 100 on it what are you doing with this are they still being disrespected or is this a great opportunity man it’s all it’s all love man I’m glad a shout out to them I like them OD I like to fly right under the radar right on the into the season right into the playoffs right into the Conference Finals and see where the chips lay hey look I I gave uh the the Celtics they they’re not you know they the Champions um you know they got I think the best roster slightly in the Eastern Conference but you got got give them you got to give them an out for that but look if the Cavs get to a point where they can have the number one overall record and they got homec court advantage throughout then I’m going to take the Cavs opportunity for that because look I I really feel like the Cavs have pretty much one of the BET top one two three home court advantages in the crowd um in the league I think they got a closer in uh Donovan Mitchell that can get hot I think they got a lot of shooters that can get hot that’s the thing that about this this roster that I think is is way more potent than other years you got guys on this team like Sam Marill you got guys like streu you got guys like Nang you got guys like even Evan Mobley guys just hitting shots like some every Everybody ain’t gonna be cold everybody ain’t gonna be cold even Isaac aoro was shooting crazy from certain spots on the floor everybody’s not going to be cold at one time for the Cavs so for me I look at those other teams yes they’re very good I only I only break it down to the to the uh to the Eastern Conference because guess what and when you get into the NBA Finals you’re there anybody has a chance a punch or chance to win so for me I’m looking at the rest of the East I’m not scared by the Knicks um I think I think with the Cavs is done with the Knicks is is saying oh well you got c c is nice he shoot outside we got bigs that shoot outside too yeah we you know I I think that the brights aren’t too light or too bright anymore with the Knicks I I do think that they got to really nice Squad and I think they’ve they some pieces and parts but when you make trades like that and you move people in and out the Knicks don’t seem to have that same level of heart when they had divon chenzo and Hart it just seems like them I I was a little more scared of what the Knicks was able to bring to the table because they was just playing a rugged style like you got a little bit softer with cat you don’t have har and Ste and Robinson down low uh Hart at the three position is a mismatch for for you and you had uh you had a closer in and jayen Brunson so for me I like to cast chances but let him fly right under the radar I want no smoke we just go ahead and let them get their money off um I mean I’m fine with the with the eyes right now um when you think about I I I’m break it down on the Eastern Conference side as well um when I look at the Celtics to me obviously the Celtics should be there because of the fact that they were there they won it all last year the same team essentially come back um they still look good and they are just a matchup nightmare right now for the Cavaliers because of the size thing but when you talk about New York because that’s really what it come down to who’s going to be in that that Eastern Conference Final between the Cavs in New York the reason New York the reason why New York to me is ahead of the Cavs on this is because in the playoffs we still don’t know what the Cavs especially down low is going to do now Evan had had some moments last year against the Celtics where he looked really good I mean his last couple of games was like all right you Don went out you all right you can do this but Jared Allen was we everybody still thinks about the Jared Allen New York they look good as of lately right now they’ve really figured out what they want to do the only thing that the Cavs got over them is the guys that’s coming off the bench but can we count is that what’s going to happen in the playoffs like that’s the thing like we’re talking about George and Yang Yang looked good this year but George and Yang Yang was unplayable last year in the playoffs Isaac aoro was hitting threes this year but Isaac aoro couldn’t hit a thing in the playoffs so like right now it’s so hard to be like H you know what they’re going to do good when the playoffs come around because we off we going off of history history shown us that these guys some of these guys that we thought C is the vert some of these guys we thought was going to be good and we could count on didn’t show up in the playoffs so that’s why to me those odds Fair because it’s like dude until you show me that you can do this in the postseason now I’m not about to give you no credit to where the Knicks yeah I know they ain’t really went that far either but still they when you put them on paper right now the chemistry that the the dog that they got in them playing at the guard and how that scares people and stuff like that it makes sense to why they’re ahead of the cast and on top of that they still don’t even got Mitchell Robinson back and Mitchell Robinson when he’s down there he completely he made Jared and Evan look like pedestrian out there so when he comes back I need to see the Cavs play in with Mitchell Robinson back and see if they can still bang down there because that’s the only man that I seen tell you you soft to your face in the media go right out there the next game and prove to you that you soft like that to me I I can’t look past that right now so that’s why the odds seem fair to me and pull up the odds for me real quick because I want to make a very uh very clear and concise point on this the betting odds are not a direct representation of the current status of the NBA they bet and FanDuel puts together these odds based on who they think will bet what they think they can make and how they can make money so just because you see the Cavs with the seventh best odds to in the championship right doesn’t mean the NBA and the people who watch the NBA believe the Cavs are the seventh best team nba.com just put out their power rankings guess who’s the number one team in the NBA.com Power Rankings the Cleveland Cavaliers and instead of being disrespected at seeing the Cav at 7 to one if you believe the Cavs can legitimately win a championship this year put some money on it this is an incredible opportunity for you to cash out if you think the Celtics can win the championship two to one odds that’s obviously plus money but that’s not a great return on investment the Cavs are one of the few teams that I truly believe can win at all this year and I got some stats to show you in one second to back that up and 17 to1 they’re still being considered a long shot I promise you guys all the playoff concerns are valid and to div this point we do have to see some certain guys perform when the lights are brightest to know they can do it consistently in the playoffs but right now there is nothing nothing on paper about this Cavaliers team that’s fluky the record is legit the contributors is real the fact that Kenny ainson has gotten the most out of all these guys matters and at 17 to one throw 10 bucks you win 170 throw a 100 bucks if you can win 1,700 I’m not saying the Cavs are going to win the championship but they’re certainly in that top tier class of teams that could could win and if you’re getting long shot odds on a top tier team it’s an incredible opportunity here’s this for a stat 44 of the last 45 NBA champions so dating all the way back to 1980 have had two things in common one they were top eight in the league in either offensive or defensive rating and they were no lower than 18th in the other so a top Elite offense or defense and then a middle of the pack one or the other the Cavs this season ranked second in offensive rating and 12th in defensive rating right in the constructs of the historical data that shows us there are only a few teams each year that could win a championship the Cavs are in that category and at 17 to one I already sprinkled some money on it this morning so where so do you know where the Knicks and the Celtics are I do I do I did that research I can pull it up for look at you man you overachiever you must be the glasses that’s what I do uh okay who who do you want which teams uh the Celtics and the Knicks is the only two that I the Knicks are not in that not in the top 10 and not top 18 not top seven or top eight and both they don’t fit both criteria okay the Celtics do they have the number one offensive rating the number eight defensive rating okay there are seven teams this season that have fit that criteria it’s the Celtics the Thunder who are 12th on offense first on defense the Rockets who are 18th on offense so that’s the cut off and second on defense the Grizzlies who are sixth on offense fourth on defense we’re having a really good Year by the way the Grizzlies yeah they are and then the Dallas Mavericks who are fourth on offense seventh on defense so those are your seven teams this season that fit that criteria that 44 of the last 45 not a small sample size guys we’re going back to 1980 44 of the last 45 Champions have fit that criteria and the Cavs one of the seven teams this year that are currently in it I need this too about this time remember 2016 you got think about with the CL and the climate of uh Cleveland sports was 2014 15 16 Browns were God awful um they were they were they were terrible wait wait what year you say 14 15 16 terrible that’s 15 was 0 0 and one in 15 and the other one was 0 and 16 16 was 0 and 16 Cavs was going to the finals Cavs was going to the championship they won in 16 I’m not going to say they gonna win in in what 20 24 25 but here’s the thing uh we need to we need to we need a a nice little distraction between now and whenever football starts Guardians is trading all their players away yeah you need a spark somewhere somewhere bro like somewhere and I’m not even know like that’d be C you know what I be you know what and I gota we got to understand somebody need to tell me this understand this this Jedi mind trick that they be doing McNuggets for baseball is crazy like they’ll tell you oh is baseball is such a it’s it’s a different game it’s a Nuance you got to understand you got to be in the minutia and I’m just over here on the sideline like you traded a definite for indefinite yeah you traded a person that is has production that is you’ve seen over a track record you’ve seen over a span of time you know what that is they wer going to pay them and you got a question mark but but analytics people will tell you in what in what mathematical equation is the question mark bigger than the than the definite guarantee on the right side of the equation I don’t understand it but it’s the it’s the loss of nothing versus The Return of something the hope of the return of something you fear the unknown you’re still losing 30 home runs a year uh listen we we could talk whether you like the trade or not I totally understand why people hate the trade I understand why they hate the trade too I’m from an Optics and last thing in the Guardians because we we could do an hour and a half how the Optics of a deal work vers what it looks like the Optics of what the Guardians have done this off season make the ALCS be one of the final four teams and give the Yankees a hell of a hell of a competition like that series even though it was only 4-1 those games were close close you trade probably your second best hitter third I mean Quan’s their second best hitter but power hitter look at me like you know who the best power hitter on that team God I mean you know what yesterday was Christmas yeah whatever he what he he had one of the clutchest home runs this organization ever seen he did this is why this is why we want I’m just saying I’m just saying we got we got the power hitter so we good so you got rid of what you got rid of your 30 home runs you got rid of your the one of the best fielders in the game period one of the best of like like arguably the best second he might be the best position he might be the best fielder in baseb y and and you got you’re the same guy that said he we need sticks now they ain’t train for none but the point like I understand I understand the moves from like a theoretical standpoint my but sometimes Theory doesn’t back up what you know you had in front of you and you when you were that close like that close it feels we that you’re taking a proverbial step back which could be lead to a bigger step forward didn’t we feel this way last off season but and then boom they do it every offseason what are he talking about frustrating trust the process no no okay so here’s the thing so there is that point and I’m trying to flesh this out with people that will be honest about the the what we talking about here so if you don’t win the championship that means you you didn’t win right it doesn’t matter if I give you playoff burst but what if I told you that yes because the moves you make or the the moves you don’t make is going to keep you in the running for making the playoffs every year but you don’t have a theoretical chance at winning the championship yeah do people would people rather have that than not going to the playoffs I think since the Browns don’t go to the playoffs so much and they’ve been so horrible that we equate the Guardians going to the uh playoffs and not having a chance to win as that’s that’s somehow better but the Guardians do that to themselves it’s not like they they don’t they they have an opportunity to win but they’re like nah we’ll just stay right here they they’ve earned enough of the benefit of doubt that I can’t you know you mean to tell me you don’t trust Cy man zardo to replace Josh nlen what I don’t trust is the fact that that the the Guardians they won’t even play him enough they well they ain’t got no choice now I I trust menardo at first I don’t know if I trust the utility guy at second after having him menz the last couple years who is it who moving the second they’re going to call up burrito I think he going to get the start one one of their top prospects I it’s eventually going to be baz can he hit that’s another thing what that’s another thing I I’m super aggressive all my guys you got you got about six months on the job training in the miners I’m not you got six months I you going to be come on up here see what you got they be having they be having uh baby bibs on these guys B you so so you got one of your best prospects of burrito right but you drafted bazan how does that work cuz you have how do that work like seven positions okay so what what I’m saying is why you don’t draft for need in baseball though you draft best player available so you draft the best player available so what you telling me is all our players best available for the last oh 68 years have been middle and field yeah it’s a log Jam you hope you can and the Guardians don’t do this but the the point is you hope you can turn two or three of those middle infield prospects into a star will the Guardians ever do that I don’t know track you mean like arus Jason’s boy well but you you never know who pan out and not I mean I mean I I know somebody that did pan out himz wait a minute wait a minute first of all that’s why I know arus was not Jason that’s his man no I thought roio was his man is his man like they like Gabe barus like I’m like bro y’all just be like are you not confident that big Christmas get hit home run they’re not going to let big Christmas play all them plays he need to somebody got to play DH and here’s another thing platoon system this is not the defensive line rotations why does everybody get three to four at bats every five to nine days like give me somebody let him get in there and let him get hot manzardo should be playing every day but I’ve been hearing that for weeks I I think he will play every day now with the uh between him and Santana they will see see it’s always another they just they just sign another they just paid him 12 mil hey the Yankees don’t got nobody they got judg and judge always another there always another man I mean yeah yeah I mean Aaron judge sits out whatever you sharing that girl like what are you talking about y’all just dating put somebody in there let’s go listen I think Carlos Santana came back to be like how Austin Hedges was to Bo Naylor it’s but hold up hold up Santana is yes but I’m saying like he’s going to coach up first base like he want to go glove last year I’m get yeah I’m you know I’m I’m going show you how to do this and then you know I’m saying I’m going head on the Guardians is smart man they be bringing back these Legacy players they’re good at it bro they’ be like oh we ain’t got no pictures let’s bring back let’s bring back Carrasco cookie yeah cookie D pictur dang near whole season we got hey Legacy players Hey listen hey you know what s to play here seven times he just sold his place we just got rid of a guy people know think of that him and H just going to be doing all the interviews talk about the old times y’all are y’all are great y’all are great with that that propaganda is it be working well hey and then and then we just take it and run with it you know J be doing his hit from uh spring training you know Carlos I mean this is a team that is that is one veteran battle way do you believe you can be that that veteran bat well you know Jay you know I was talking to hedi stop saying hedi and wedgie and all these and your nicknames is out of pocket too has anyone ever called him hedgy listen I think you just made up your own nickname cookie wedgie hedgy all them they got all the nicknames Hammy’s called him hedi on our show hammy got a name I believe so he’s a Hall of Fame I get it he could get a he think he can hit two home runs a year probably let him play all right we got another cash time to get to and what’s the re before our next topic well if you guys want more Cavs coverage uh in between your Guardians coverage that we didn’t plan for at all we do have ultimate Cavaliers coming we had a new episode yesterday for Christmas day I’m sure we’ll have another new episode premiering uh for New Year’s Day go check it out Mike and Jason give you all the Cavs breakdowns that you guys don’t get here on the show and some extra that you do get here on the show Mike you got something to say we talked a lot about Evan Moy on the Christmas Day episode yesterday which leads us right into our topic today we talked about kind of the evolution of Evan Moy what’s happened and why why the emergence took till year four as opposed to the first three years so you want to check that out you go ahead to our YouTube page and find that but the question around Evan Moy today is we’ve seen the leap right we’ve seen the fact that he has taken some of those steps forward that we had hoped would happen in year two mhm we begged to happen in year three and now we are finally glad to see happen in year four if you look at the odds for most improved player of the year just like the championship odds the odds for MO do not necessarily reflect where I thought they would be at this point of this step and if you want to pull up the most improved player odds you can see Moy is 30 to1 to win the NBA’s most improved player it is the eighth best odds Tyler Heroes currently the betting favorite at plus 340 Jaylen Williams and Jaylen Johnson from the Thunder and Hawks respectively at plus 370 each Norm Pals at 950 there’s a few other guys in between that list but those are the five I thought had the uh most name brand recognition to put on but we’ve seen the leap from Evan moble M tyus do you feel like he’s being underappreciated in terms of the betting market right now considering how well he’s played this season well he shouldn’t be the favorite because to be honest with you that Jaylen Johnson from the Hawks he he he he been ball in this season and last year I didn’t even know who he was so therefore I know he’s been balling this season with Evan I think it’s one of those things that I think that the Le he took a leap but it was like something that I don’t know if it was like big enough like if that makes sense like if his leap like you see that like it’s it’s not it’s it’s good but like it ain’t that crazy of a big leap to me you know and I I guess the points is which wow he’s averaging 18 a game look at that but outside of that everything else is pretty on par to about what it was so I think that’s to me me why he has it now what he means to the Cavaliers m is huge the the leap that he’s taken has made him arguably one of the best Cavaliers players I think that’s where you can get the respect I think guys have looked at Evan Moy for the past couple of years and said it’s in there we see it sometimes but it’s not all the time to where this year it’s like he is becoming that guy but I don’t think is is good it’s big enough for him to win that award now I wouldn’t have him as eighth best that’s kind of disrespectful I he definitely top five in my personal opinion I don’t know if that’s because we’re Cavs we’re Cavs fans that we putting him there but he should be higher than eighth best for sure the reason why um he’s down solo at the eighth position is because when you look at the the most improved player you looking at a guy that they want big numbers and big jumps and being like Oh you was averaging 10 minutes now you’re averaging 25 26 30es balling like that Tyler hero is going to win that award and it’s going to be easy Tyler he balling like this is the reason why Jimmy Butler is is Expendable they they try to make him the six man it ain’t that crazy though I mean but he was coming off the bench though they like it ain’t that crazy they was trying to make Tyler hero gonna be like they was G to say Tyler hero was like Bob sir or something they was going to be like listen all you do is party and hang out you hit threes occasionally but you don’t be concentrating and then Tyler her was like actually I’m pretty good I can start if I wanted to let me Focus up real quick now he dropping 24 six and five like we didn’t think we knew he could shoot but we didn’t know if he was going to be able to play Oh folk here’s how they tell you we didn’t know if Tyler hero played winning basketball when they throw that on you boy that means you about you about to be up out of the league so they was like let me go ahead and focus in so Tyler hero and all them jayen all all them Johnson and Williams Williams to me is now uh the second option uh in in Oklahoma City who was the second option before that he was I I don’t think he belongs on this list agree but it was it was a mix up though they had a couple dudes where you’d be like I I don’t mind you taking that shot in that position like but he’s now he’s now solid solidified he’s like it’s it’s sgaa and then it’s me and I’m I’m I could do that now look Evan Mobley was already known as a very good Defender MH he came in third I think for defensive player year not last year but the year before right he’s been an all defensive player before yeah he’s been all defense player so so they already know Evan Moy is good so it’s kind of like oh was was it really that big of a jump I mean we he’s he’s averaging about the same amount of rebounds uh he’s only gone up about three more points he’s actually downed on assist the thing that that is improved that we talked about is his evolution is is something that you don’t really have to necessarily see in the stat sheet his evolution is about where he’s taking them shots with how he’s playing and the style of basketball that he’s playing so it’s kind of difficult just like not seeing the Cavs on everyday TV and not seeing the Cavs on Christmas day a lot of these guys don’t really like tune in tough with with Moy um but it’s it’s there and I think next year’s will you’ll actually start to see the Moy where he goes from 19 to like 23 and maybe 10 or 11 and you’ll start to see people be like oh lowy Evan MO is one of the best players in the league and it’ll it’ll hit him in but now it’s a little under the radar McNuggets yeah it’s weird cuz Mo we’ve talked about this before the it test tells you he’s made this giant jump the numbers don’t indicate a massive jump other than the scoring most of the other numbers are slightly down if not essentially at that part from where they were last year but when you watch it the ey test tells you he’s made this gigantic Le you can see the numbers on your screen fewer rebounds fewer assists the blocks and steals numbers right in line he’s a better three-point shooter the points are up the people who vote on this award I’m not sure how many Cavs games they’re I locked into and watching they don’t get a ton of nationally televised games just like I’d be lying to tell you I’ve watched a ton of Heat games this year and I’ve seen the Hawks play a few times but I’m not watching the ins and outs of Jaylen Johnson to know what he’s doing better this year than last year I’m going to get to the guy I think may actually be the winner in a sec but the leap Mobile’s made in terms of his aggressiveness his confidence in shooting his ability to drive with both hands the fact that he’s taking the ball from out on the perimeter and creating offense not just for himself but for others off the dribble as opposed to always starting stationary last year there are tangible things I got a couple Advanced stats that I think help make the case for Moy but his 18.5 points per game he’s scoring uh his unassisted rate of field goal makes so he him creating himself up 5% last year he had a point per like less than 1% increase in each of his first three years so massive jump compared to his first three years he’s averaging a career high in points per 100 possessions his three-point volume and efficiency is up his true shooting percentage is way up and anytime that happens for a big people are always like well he dunks the ball it doesn’t count guess what his dunk rates exactly the same as it was last year so yeah these are all the increase and improv shooting from Beyond the perimeter I don’t watch enough of the other guys to know he’s made a bigger leap than this guy or that guy jayen Johnson’s a great example but one guy I want to point out for this is Norm Powell my cousin of the Los Angeles Clippers that’s my cousin they let Paul George walk right mm don’t want to pay you ka Ard hasn’t played much this season he has been asked to be their second best player and as you can see on your screen talking about the numbers not showing what the eye test does the eye test in the numbers for Norm po back it up you know the Clippers are 17 and 13 this season the 16 in the Western Conference W this dude is a gigantic reason why he’s averaging 24 points per game top five in the NBA and three-point percentage who knows I don’t watch enough Clippers to know if he should be the most improved player versus Moy all I can tell you is the Leaps and Bounds Mo has made from last season to this season are completely noticeable when you watch the game the box score May not indicate the exact same amount of progress and the people who vote on this award I’m not sure how many times they’re actually watching Evan moile play versus watching the box score so I don’t know how to gauge it but I can certainly tell you just like we said in the last topic if you like Evan Mobley 30 to1 is some incredible odds to sprinkle a few bucks on because he’s in the running for sure let me see that jayen Johnson thing again I just want to see his where his his numbers are up but he got a big extension last off season because he played well last year he’s just taking another leap in terms of playmaking and rebounding he he got he got but and I will say this like double double I put this you like this man it’s kind of tough right like when you got dudes that are like guards and you’re a big and it’s not necessarily like you’re going to initiate offense on your own opportunities it’s so different it’s the opportunity to have the ball like you know what I’m saying like you know when by the way this award typically goes to guards for that exact reason you want to hear the last 10 winners of the most improved player last season Tyrese Maxi guard what I’m G give you the last 10 this goes all the way back to 2015 Maxi marinan johnar Julius Randall Brandon Ingram cakam Oladipo Giannis CJ McCullum and Jimmy Butler jannis didn’t Yannis was so it’s very few traditional bigs who create by themselves it’s a lot of guys who have the ball in their hands more the honest one don’t even read cuz he been good since he been in the league so so the most improved player is the MVP of the bad teams so they like oh we can’t put you first team second team or third team we can’t make you MVP but your team didn’t make the playoffs but you went from like 19 points to 26 you’re pretty good we’re going to give you that reward well Maxi made Maxi won it last year they were the third seed in the the East last year right so but we but no one’s going to vote for Maxi as as all NBA so they like we got to get him something we’re not going we’re not going to put you in that John Mor gave it to dond bang yeah it’s an inconsistent award like there’s not a specific criteria it’s what do you consider Improvement do you like for example we use Norman pal and Mobley Moy is significantly more aggressive he’s could Chang his shot profile he’s creating in ways he wasn’t last season do you value that versus do you value a guy in nor Powell who’s playing the same style he’s always played just with a lot more attempts see it’s like this and is there a right or wrong answer cuz I don’t think there is it’s what you value more and it’s all about the flare and how you play like look Goku has the Kamehameha everybody knows that Vegeta has The Big Bang Attack everybody knows that but do you know why they’re the most popular and the other ones aren’t if you ask yourself you’re like Gohan what’s your move oh it’s my dad’s move not if you ask hit hit is a great character but he doesn’t do key blast or nothing he just does time skip we know I know special beam Canon special beam Cannon is is is Piccolo what’s wrong with you listen special beam Cannon is decent what is what’s trunks oh listen that’s that what is it called I can’t that’s that M that oh like that move that move worked out one time hey and it was cutting freeza off I’m just saying watch us watch us get flagged on YouTube for gang signs they don’t know doing Dragon Ball Z that’s what that’s the move no I know but it’s YouTube ALG by the way TI got a nice little move like that t got a move like that he’s a regular though but you but you here what I’m say you got to have a special move right like if you ain’t got a finishing move no one cares if Moy catches D Rock you’re like what is he gonna do jump you to death no Steve Pull the uh what was the game pull the Saturday Mo Philadelphia highlights two games in a row punch with the left hand that may be mo that may be his signature if he starts dun people left hand multiple times two see now he’s in the look let me see here it is uh cross two tries seeing this in the crowd went crazy Steve replay it again replay it again run it back run it back drop a b oh baby we got he we got to find a name for Evan Moy bro all the nicknames we got last week I was not terrible Steve start the video Yeah here hey look cross he got to get Kevin I got you that’s Andre Drummond too by the way that’s not a he got to work he got to work on it because look how he stumble at the end you got to slide let your body go Slide the Bambi legs so after by Monday he dunked on Walker ker with the left hand wasn’t as pretty as a setup there was no crossover but he drove left left so we asked I asked Jaylen Tyson and Darius after Locker like what does e say after a dunk cuz I there’s some dudes when you dunk right what does he say so they both gave me the exact same answer you this this is Jaylen Tyson Darius Garland this them doing Evan mobile impression they go he don’t say nothing he’s so cold he just grunts as he’s walking on the corner and like 20 minutes later he be like you see that dunk he says he don’t talk no smack he does he the least flashy player of all time and I don’t have do you imagine him F EV boy what uh I’ll be sorry I ain’t going to lie to you if Evan duck told somebody like that and he said I be like man listen no you going to celebrate this they say he don’t you celebrate the the the Garland I was just talking to Jaylen off to the side I wasn’t recording it but the the Darius question was on camera I gotta find Spencer Davies does a great job of putting together some montages from the locker room afterwards I’m about to see if I could find if Spencer included that clip and if not I’ll have him send it to us that’s my man B shout out to him yeah Spencer we got some work with Spencer by way what shout out are you so work with him EV catch one of them nasty bodyto body bunk dunks disrespectful if somebody walk up to you and be on the side of your face and be [Laughter] like that’s disrespectful I’ll see the the Cs aren’t the Cavs aren’t home for a while uh if Mo dunks on another person with his left hand at a home game I’ll try to get Jaylen minutes later I’ll ask J if I can get that reaction on camera fight and we’re moving on what’s our next read uh we’re going to talk about rocket money guys because it 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you about $18.45 the upper dog pound one seat’s going to cost you for the season 2600 and change a lower level Club seat is going to ring you up about 9 Grand wait a minute what do you mean lower dog pound like lower closer to the field or I we actually yeah so lower level is closer to the endzone upper level is up like closer to the scoreboard I think so why do people want to I as the same there’s things that come with it so so these all get uh these two get alakar catering and then everything with a star next to it has all you can eat catering included say according to this put it back up let we got a star next to it the next three have stars next to it the only one in this one that comes with the advanced catering is the l000 for that’s just a start tius if you want to spend more money you get to the next slide here Steve the uh founder Suite going to cost you uh $46,800 per Suite uh per seat in the suite you can get a four seat Theater box that’s going to cost you $227,500 per seat in the theater box so if you combine that together you’re looking at over 100 grand for the theater box and the upper bowl is going to ring a person uh almost $2,200 per seat that ain’t crazy though like the four seater no cuz the no because listen no that’s four seat that’s per seat though that’s not for all four oh yeah for all four 18 seat the 18 seat Suite is about $890,000 for the whole thing for the year it’s $843,000 for the 18 and it is 110 for the four seats hey I told you thus hadn’t seen these prices before inial reaction let me keep my job boy sheesh hey I’m I’m stunned I don’t see the problem is y’all gota I ain’t bought a ticket for to a game in a very very long time and I’m not familiar with the prices of what stuff costs to go see the Browns right like I it’s hard to Fathom that right now with the Browns playing the way that they play to justify that how am I going to tell thee how I go go home and tell the lieutenant hey you know I just bought first of all you gotta buy two because you can’t just buy your own season pass I bought two season passes and I’m paying 45 00 that that’s that’s the Browns better figure something out like I said the Browns got not this year not next year and not even a year after that 27 27 and 28 for sure 28 they better be in the playoffs I’m like it got to happen in 28 27 it better start looking good cuz if you playing like this right now I ain’t nobody paying that I I I it the economy is bad like I I don’t know if y’all seen how much gas and and groceries is now day this is wild the first thing I saw I thought about when I saw these ticket prices tied was a conversation that G and I had on the postgame show the other day about how all the moves the Browns are making right now are not for next season mhm it ain’t even necessarily for 2026 but it’s to get people excited enough about the team that they’ll pay prices like that in 20 29 when the Dome opens and that’s why the whole idea of running it back do you fire guys do you draft a quarterback do you reach do you take it doesn’t matter right now because Jimmy hasm is focused on One Singular thing and that is Fielding a team three years from now that will help fill the Dome you see on your screen right now how do you do that you have to find a quarterback if it doesn’t happen this year then trading a miles Garrett for picks to help you acquire one next year becomes more of a possibility I think we could look at any offseason move the Browns make this year through the realm of we care about 2025 if that’s what you have to ask people to pay for in 2029 then the expectations for the team in 2027 2028 are going to be significantly higher than they are in the next two seasons and all the roster decisions and how they finagle the cap and restructure deals is going to open up space for those teams so they can put together a team that qualifies and makes people feel comfortable paying those kind of prices G it just reframes out look this entire offseason now man it refrains how I look at um business in general um I it’s crazy because I go back and this is a little bit of a something crazy but man when Co happened it just made you realize that a lot of companies and a lot of people a lot of things you held dearly you you thought that those things were important like you thought oh I work at this company this company likes me this company and all and you get there and they’re like no here’s what you’re GNA do you’re going to uh you’re G to homeschool your kids you’re also going to teach your kids you’re also going to pay for your internet and I know there’s a pandemic and people are dying around you but we need you to log on we need you to figure this out and at the same time we need our Revenue to be higher than it was when there was no pandemic and you’re like hold on how’s that possible and then people realize that companies really don’t care um and then what we slowly but surely realiz realiz is that when you talk about sports these are just major companies but the thing that they get they hook us with is hope we are all in a cult we get paid to talk about this stuff this is a kids game right and we like we love the fact that we get paid for it but what comes along with that is is is fanaticism where people are like hey this is this is a religion football is a religion football is is something that if you didn’t spend money on something else you GNA spend that money on that if cigarettes went to $50 a pack and you smoke two packs of cigarettes you stopping to buy cigarettes no if if you drink a a six-pack of of of Miller Genuine Draft after work a hard day on your feet if that go to 125 $20 a sixpack guess what you’re still going to show up and drink that sixpack so I need to know how much the season tickets is now this tyus the people that’s buying it now I’m talking about like now at this current Stadium like what’s what’s the package do anybody know and look that up I’m looking up right now even if even if that package goes up if you if this is what you care about depending on what you how much you when you say go up how much you talking cuz I was on this has to be like a 75% increase I was on the internet and I was watching people cancel they they stuff but see see that’s where the Hope comes into the into the factor what they’re trying to figure out and do is they don’t need to like B nugget said they don’t need the team now they just need them to be in five years you know if they doing this listen I’m going tell you right now if y’all if y’all charge and stuff like this y’all need to go ahead y’all need to clean house y y’all need to get vbbl or something like that some that Cleveland people respect or something like that because got y’all got to gut this whole thing that’s that’s and and that’s why it’s so disheartening because you know and that we know that everybody know you’re not trying to win you’re not miles G what possibly could they say that’s there’s nothing you can say like and and so for for them it’s like let’s minimize what’s happening now uh we’ll run it back we’ll you know we’ll figure out some little things and we’ll sell them hope and sell them that we got the guys right and that’s why they always say things like hey you know I I feel great about our room I’m I’m confident in Kevin and uh Andrew but the second that Stadium come around then they’ll start really trying to do something we’re like okay let’s get a quarterback in place a young guy so we got to find another young dude to to to build our hopes on and so they’ll find them let me ask you a question this is Off Script but let me ask both of y’all a question before you ask that I can’t find season ticket prices they have an 8,000 person wait list to get season tickets that was for last season and the deposit to put down is 100 for a general seat and 500 for a premium seat I don’t know what the difference for that is they don’t have 2025 prices and and there how many people waiting to get them there’s 8,000 people on the waight list for last year let me ask you let me ask you this question both of y’all cuz I want to see you so you say the plan cuz I agree with Y that the plan is wait 28 that thing gotta y’all got to have a great we going be rocking in but current state let’s say that the Deshawn Watson thing wasn’t a factor let’s say let’s say we just didn’t have a quarterback this year and let’s say that we’re not getting shador or Cam War what y’all be willing to really give Sam D the long fiveyear contract cuz he would essentially be your quarterback going into the Dome would you be willing to give him whatever whatever I go three whatever the payment is whatever the the high payment I go would you would you let’s just let’s cancel the Deshawn thing let’s say he the money’s not we got we got free money right now we need a franchise quarterback I’ve always said after you got done with Baker and you got done with deshun Watson I think the problem with the Cleveland Browns is that they want to do this up in the air type no find a dude say he is our quarterback for the next X amount of years to how many years are you willing I I’m going three I go two three okay I give him a little player option or whatever so he wouldn’t even be here for the Dome I give I give him the kurk cousins cuz he’s going to want more than three years how do you make him accept a three-year deal you give him the kurk cousins what Minnesota did three years fully guaranteed and then you hopefully renegotiate it again if he proves he’s the guy then you just resign him and and and and if you what you’re trying to do is the way you build hope is first of all Sam darnold would be your first choice of the available options this offseason that’s the only choice had yeah he’s the only yeah cuz you’re not getting cam or shidori so yeah and and and I said it like this I would talk I would talk myself into Kurt Cousins or Justin fields talk about for this what our current situation now for our current situation I think people are are I talk myself into Justin field I I I think people are delusional if they like your option is this your option is if you don’t get one of those guys that is a clear-cut like you need Kurt Cousins he might you know you can say about he throw he’s basically jamus Winston you could say he’s basically one of those guys at this point where or flacko or something around but you got to think about it like this the reason Reon why people don’t have a problem with jamus and the reason they don’t have a problem with flacko for the most part when they were winning is because you know they got solid enough character that there ain’t going to be a fringe 25% of the population that can attack you not only on play but character when you can only be bad at one thing you can’t have bad character and bad play and bad play it’s unattend well you put up with stuff if someone’s great you don’t put up with stuff if someone’s bad and real quick you got the season ticket prices for us to yeah so I won’t go through all of these real quick but like premium seats go from about 10,000 to 16,000 here the upper level goes from 650 to about 1350 the deck seating goes from hold up while you’re doing this Steve you pull up the graphic yeah so we could see what the proposed new dome is vers what ant reading the deck seating starts at 850 goes up to about 1,300 the mezzanine level are all at 12200 the club level starts at 2,000 goes up to 4,000 and in the lower level starts around 1,400 and goes up to 31 so we’re talking massive man this this 67% the most expensive season ticket you could have bought for 2024 was field Prime premium seating at $166,000 wait a minute I was read when he was saying it I thought he was saying it went from like what it was to like in then Dome that’s what it’s going to be he said currently now they go they range from that oh man y’all triing they they did raise the prices in 2024 yeah and so you see why people be like like look you see why people be mad they Dev ticket people be mad because oh yeah you guys are playing around you ain’t even like they they talking over your head right now they’re like oh we like our we like what we have in place and you’re three and something and you were supposed to be seeing Super Bowl yeah oh yeah well let’s see if the Browns can reflip the roster to get to a Super Bowl and give us a read and let’s get to our next topic because that involves a potential decision to get to that lucrative he guys I’m going to do a FanDuel read here real quick get ready to tackle the NFL action with FanDuel America’s number one sports book because right now new customers can bet $5 and get up to 250 in bonus bets if you win FanDuel Sportsbook app gives you everything you need to place bets live on the NFL all in one place so when you get a hunch in the middle of the game you can check out the latest stats view live play-by-play and so much more all on the same place page where you place your bets just visit fanduel.com usss to join today never waste a hunch and make every moment count with FanDuel the official Sportsbook partner of the NFL all right guys we’re going to talk a little NFL draft for a sec last week or earlier this week it feels like it’s a Monday even though it’s only Thursday so earlier this week we had a a really good discussion it was on Monday or it was on Tuesday if the Browns had the opportunity to draft cam to shador Sanders let’s say one of those those guys fell could they pass up the opportunity to draft a quarterback go back and watch it really good discussion today’s draft topic is let’s say those two quarterbacks are out of the equation M Browns pick four five six whatever number it is would you take Ashton Genty the running back from Boise State who could break Barry Sanders alltime single season rushing record we’ve seen in recent years running backs have started going higher against zaquin was the second overall pick Bean Robinson went top 10 jent’s considered a top 10 Prospect in the class CL but G would you take a running back that high if you were the Browns and had the had the opportunity to draft Genty taking Ward and Sanders out of the equation under no circumstances and it’s not because of him I think in the right C in the right circumstances he could be a back that gets you a th000 yards 1100 yards today like he’s he’s a plug-and play he’s ready to go he’s a guy that you you’ll start talking about as you know you know all first round fantasy guy immed he catch the football he’s Electric in an open field but the problem with the Cleveland Browns is this again our running game is trash we need a new running game coordinator we need we we need a new we need new offensive lineman uh at this point uh what you’ve had we’ve lived off Legacy for a long time here we think this is 2020 browns offensive line when when Wyatt teller was getting buy one get one Freez and pancaking everybody Joel bonio inside was one of the great almost Hall of Fame type potential players inside we we’re forgetting that these guys are pushing mid-30s uh that you lose guys like Bill Callahan and I’ve been saying it all off season it wasn’t a want to with the Cleveland Browns it’s can’t they don’t have the schemes the creativity the know how to run the football and it’s a travesty that you got a college coach who’s never coached in the league running your running game and it looks like that it’s not the fact Ken dorsy now listen Ken dorsy don’t run the ball either but why would you not know that was a recipe made in hell you got Ken dorsy who loves to throw the football with an offensive line coach that that is from Seattle and I don’t he could get up out of here too I know he’s been here before he I seen he be playing and joking too much I need a hard-nosed dude I’m not going to draft this kid and put him in the back field and he’s probably going to split some carries with Nick chub they probably not going to be able to run the ball and we goingon to be in shotgun 65% of the time nope not doing it I think you made tyus Cry not doing it no put the camera on Ty Steve what are you doing I’m sorry cuz he just took a shot at everybody was are not good up front at all no I agree with you I agree with a lot of everything you said it was just the it was the abruptness that I got the quickness in which I got to it hit everybody dorsy Dickerson the rug the rug game dude we don’t even know he just has an afro I don’t no I don’t like it I don’t like it man no no and it’s a wasted pick and then we going to be sitting here and Bull’s going to tell us nobody runs the ball over 10 times g g is the passing game we spend a top three pick on this running back and we got him over here blocking do you need do you need a minute to recover I’ll go first if you want I’m good I’m good no I I agree I would not take ashon jenty uh with that pick but the simple fact that I think you could get a running back listen I’m going say this and it’s not biased but you could get a trayon Henderson in the third round who’s a home run hitting running back that could give you dang near the same stuff that Ashton jent and I think his game translates better to the NFL a little bit and that we know how the running backs is the running backs you can you can find one of them in the second third fourth round and be great Bucky Irving was a guy I think he went like third or fourth round and boom he was electric this year for Tampa Bay so the running back position is not the key thing that you need in the first round because you get it’s so much success past the first round on running backs that you don’t need to spend that pick you got to get a player that’s going to come in and make an immediate impact so whether that whether that’s you want to go with the offensive line if you want to go with the tackle whatever if you want to go D in opposite of miles or replacing miles if that becomes a scenario whatever you want to go Travis Hunter obviously that would be a home run pick uh those is the type of picks that you will look for but the Ashton Genty I don’t don’t think that you got so many other areas of concern that that’s not the guy where you can get somebody in the second or third round that could be as productive but you got to fix that line and you got to fix that defense you got to sh up some pieces on defense and things like that so I think it’s much more productive things you could do with that pick than the running back position you ever get a topic and you just see it so clearly like you just like I know exactly the answer to this one M when a said the rundown last night this topic spoke to me I see Clear Vision 2020 are you saying draft him I’m ready to cook on this and the answer is no you don’t draft and the reality is Ashton Genty might end up being the best player in this draft but under no circumstances can the Browns afford to draft Ashton jenty in the first round G’s right the running game currently sucks timeis here right you can find running backs in other rounds but I think the real reason you can’t use a top 10 pick top five pick whatever on Ashton Genty has nothing to do with ashon Genty the player and has everything to do with the fact that running backs are the on top to an elite offense they are not what starts an elite offense that is not to say running backs aren’t important but when you look at the history of running backs who have been drafted High saquan Barkley was drafted number two overall by the Giants right they had nothing around saquan Barkley and although saquan Barkley was very good tiis they had no quarterback their line was okay at best was was what we call it out there well I’m just saying they they were not a good offensive unit despite the fact saquin was incredible right okay you you can’t start an elite offense with a running back saquon goes to Philadelphia with Jaylen Herz and AJ Brown and Devon Smith in a top tier offensive line and he’s having an offensive player of the year caliber team or caliber season you look at Derrick Henry and Tennessee tanah Hill was fine whatever the receivings receivers were okay they had a solid offense but it was never an elite offense despite Derrick Henry being one of the best backs in football he goes to Baltimore teams up with lar Jackson a creative offensive game plan and a better offensive line and he’s having another offens of the Year caliber season Josh Jacobs in Oakland first round pick Josh Jacobs with an average Quarterback an average offensive line not a great passing game he had an all pro season himself guess what that Raiders te did that year nothing nothing their offense was mediocre at best he goes to Green Bay teams up with a great quarterback a very good offensive line of receivers what happens he’s having a terrific season Packers are in line for the playoffs if you have everything else in place it makes sense to draft the running back jir Gibbs Detroit had a great offensive line jerck go receivers jir Gibbs has fit in perfectly do you know who else was in that draft tyus bejan Robinson who went seventh in that same draft that jir Gibbs did they have a quarterback they have an offensive line Evan Mobley how’s the Falcons offense looking how’s bejan bejan’s incredible you put a running back into a great offense and it becomes an elite offense but if you try to start your offense with the running back the results tell you your offense without an offensive line without a quarterback without receivers is just going to be average at best so no you don’t start your offense with Ash and Genty if you had a quarterback in place you had receivers and you want to add Ash and Genty to it fine it makes perfect sense but you can’t start the rebuild with the running back G it makes no sense I’m I’m I’m willing to wager too you can’t start with no no tackle neither I not starting so you think it has to be receiver or quarterback um no the problem with the Browns I think I think I would take I would take a defensive end I think I could take a quarterback just say offense yeah yeah yeah overall like I think those are more impactful positions like I understand that the left tackle is is a pretty big position but here’s what I’m willing to wager if you want to spend a top five pick on a tackle and you ain’t got no like tackles man it’s Hit or Miss uh like if you got a quarterback got the people that develop yeah who’s developing these dudes like you know you look at it we got Joe Thomas and sometimes you do get a play like Joe Thomas Tristan WPS is one of those guys or you get a jet Wheels but if you have a great left tackle that doesn’t mean you’re going that don’t mean you going to win nothing the Giants have an elite left tackle right now and Andrew Thomas the Browns had Joe Thomas for years years and don’t matter you got have a quarterback so no I’m not taking Genty go ahead tles but the thing about the brown situation right now currently is that they got guys that’s shown you that they can do it but like they hurt like so like left tackle everybody’s like get a left tackle okay well dwan was playing left tackle he looked great but he hasn’t finished the season yet so like what you do what do you do with that you don’t have you don’t have the luxury of drafting another tackle just say I could feel good about Dean Jones you got way too many holes to be like okay well you better hope Dewan Jones is good because you got I the thing that scares me the most is the Browns defense is like one player away two players away from going to be back to the Cleveland Browns Civ of a defense where you can’t tackle you have no Playmakers and you let people walk up and down the field that’s that’s that is your boy miles Garrett and Dan Ward all the rest of the guys are just guys let’s be clear about I think J he’s hurt but J can play I’m freaking losing my mind about J not being able to play at the level he once played that’s very valid like forever play Forever like when when when you he his his his his you know what’s it what’s the name his linebacker in the linebacker room isord Jordan Hicks talk about yeah man you just you know hope his family and pray for him when you see a guy end up like that I’m like what you mean like and trust me I’m only saying this because I already know listen neck issues we joke about it a lot I got about three or five six seven parody accounts but when you talk about neck injuries like and you wake up and some days it’s like man my breathing is kind of like like kind of shallow because you got spinal cord issues or my arm just don’t work or man I can’t even feel like I can’t feel my whole left side yeah he got to tackle people and he’s small and he and he’s a guy that uses athleticism so for me that’s a big question mark for me um but you know the Browns got a lot of stuff that they need and it’s tough cuz they don’t got that many picks that to just line up and just say let me get this this that and that so G said he’d start a franchise starter quarterback defensive end or receiver those are the three you said g I wouldn’t even I wouldn’t even say I would look at corner corner that’s why I say the Trevor Hunter thing would be the Home Run it’ be I if Travis Hunter is available when the Browns pick which I don’t think he will be you got Sprint go Sprint that pick up there and take that immediately because that’s it he feels exactly what you need you need that corner opposite of Denzel even if Denzel go goes down if if it translate from college to the pros and he’s a lock down Corner if Denzel please don’t but if he ever get another concussion you’re still fine like if his career is over like you’re you still have that lock down corner on top of that you got Judy but now you got another guy who can be as a a playmaker like Judy I’m not saying he’s going to play both ways all the time but he certainly will have a package play yeah he definitely have a package of plays to go alongside of Judy like that would be perfect for what the Cleveland Browns need if you going to continue to do this Ken dorsy offense where you’re throwing the ball 50 times a game at least you got another playmaker what other positions though do you consider franchise starters as a guy you could feel like you could draft in top five six that you can build a franchise around position-wise defensive end quarterback end Corner does receiver fall into that category you gota be cold yeah but you got to be like you got be that who is the top receiver in this draft uh it’s it’s dude from Arizona P McMillan from Arizona Luther Bon is he like that what I’m that’s what I’m saying is he Jamar Chase Jus that’s what I’m saying London see n KN he Dr London so it’s like I take the kid from Penn State uh Carter Carter ABD Carter he was a freak against SMU I mean I mean SMU but Lord have mercy I mean I if I give me one of them cool uh I would take I I would take Travis Hunter we just talked about that and here’s the thing that that I look at I’m look Jackson Jackson Dart Man you take him in the third second to third him and Jaylen milro a don’t do that now look now now let me tell you this throw that name out what about Jaylen mro cuz that man can’t hit that he can’t hit that camera right there from sitting where you at somebody going to talk themselves into him they definitely are it going to be Lamar somebody Lamar the way Lamar Jackson is skedaddling and moving around here they GNA talk themselves into taking him and I’m going to be like but if you’re in the The stansky Playbook see that’s the thing It ultimately comes down to the development and I I’m starting to think about the the quarterback thing like quarterback play is is Kevin really that deal like I think Kevin has a great philosophy but for some odd reason I don’t think his communication is clear we’re going to find out we find out I think it’s some type of miscommunication there because it’s no way it just don’t seem it don’t seem like you ever see somebody where they be like Kevin like the the coach or the coordinator comes out and be like hey man that’s my guy like listen this my guy on that play that play did you see the ball he threw like you know you know when you get you get all gushy and you feeling inside that means you in love that’s a good relationship quarterback I ain’t seen it yet with him well we do know two and Mikel you’ll have that relationship we’re going to bring in John justmy now to uh help us preview this Dolphins Browns game this weekend John works with a ringer and SNY and now he joins us here on the ultim Cleveland sports how you doing today John what’s up guys Merry Christmas happy holidays uh you guys excited to watch a riveting dolphin Brown football game my goodness can’t wait for this one it’s going to be a barn burner I was actually thinking when the Browns played the Cardinals last year we knew Clayton tune was starting in place of Kyler Murray and trying to get excited about the idea of a good football game between the Browns team that was good last season and Clayton tun was damn near impossible do dolphins fans feel the same way about facing DTR this weekend like does that give you any scare whatsoever well I I think what’s scary for Miami is just the environment and the situation right like you’re putting them on the road cold weather Jim Schwarz defense and you know I think those are the narratives that are going to hurt Miami but let’s be real about this Miami needs basically an inside straight or Royal Flush to make the playoffs I mean they need so much to happen forget about just beating the Browns and beating the Jets they need the Colts to lose a game they need Denver to lose out all right Cincinnati seems feasible but then next week they’re going to play Kansas City and Corson Wentz and the Chiefs are going to have absolutely nothing to play for so I guys I’m kind of at the point where even if Miami wins their next two I think they’re going to the playoffs and you know unfortunately for them there’s no narrative that changes here beating VTR or beating the Jets the following week I think the narrative with Miami is not as much about cold weather it’s about good teams can Miami scheme up and beat a good team because over the last two and a half years they haven’t let me ask you about speaking of beating a good team let me ask you about Tyreek Hillel because last year I had him on my fantasy he was electri this year I think he’s just a Jag so where do you fall at that what has happened that’s caused him to regress this bad I mean I don’t even think he’s getting like 50 yards a game or something like that now well I feel your pain because in my Syracuse semifinal I had Tyreek Hill dropping two touchdowns for me which might have been the difference to getting me to the championship so I I I know where you’re coming from there look I think that wrist injury that he’s been dealing with now for quite a while I think is playing a role but we’re also talking about a guy who’s been one of the most dominant receivers in the NFL for the better part of what six seven eight years it’s not for long guys it doesn’t last forever so you want to tell me he’s lost a little bit of a step I I think you could sell me on that I I know he points to what happened in week one when he got detained that whole bizarre situation before the Jacksonville game it’s something that aggravated his wrist maybe that play a rle and then there was also that kind of stretch for about four to six weeks where T wasn’t there and the Dolphins went out too say what you want about two against good teams say what you want about him comparing him to other quarterbacks he’s one of the most valuable players in the NFL because when he doesn’t play guys the Dolphins become one of the most unwatchable pathetic disgraceful offenses that I’ve ever seen so I think you add up age the wrist and and not having two of for what four games I think that’s why you’ve seen diminished results from Tyreek you know John we we we look up here and we just got Jerry Judy and I’m already I’m always talking about you need more than one guy you need stockpile you need you can’t be running around here with one receiver and think it it’s going to get it done and you know the Dolphins you are the poster child for explosive offense explosive uh receivers what seems to be the the the missing ingredient because the Dolphins they have a quarterback they got two great receivers um is it the fact that they’re not consistent in a running game as a defense what’s in the Mi what’s keeping them from being a team which on paper it looks like they should be perennial uh playoff contenders what’s keeping them from getting there it’s a great question to me it starts with physicality they’re not physical enough against these top teams that they play I I notice it when they played Buffalo you saw when they played Green Bay on Thanksgiving they got beat at the point of attack I’m talking on the offensive line in the interior I’m talking about on the defensive line where teams have kind of bullied Miami with good offensive lines and to me that’s something you have to have if you’re going to win December football games and if you’re going to beat good teams and do it in hostile environments then you mentioned that run game I know Devon Anan is coming off a big day against San Francisco they have been way worse this year running the football and I I think it’s played a role in why they have not been as successful I mean you look last year they were getting four and a half five five and a half yards a carry now they’re under four yards a carry they lost a lot of Talent on defense not just from an injury standpoint Bradley chub didn’t have at all this year Jaylen Phillips they got him back he gets hurt immediately he’s done for the year every team goes through injuries so nobody wants to hear the uh the laundry list the complaints but I think that’s hurt them and I think it’s hurt their defense I think Weaver’s done a good job of coaching him up I think you’ve seen some guys emerge like chop Robinson’s going to be a really really good player I mean watch out for him on Sunday he’s he’s got a motor his his pressure rate is insane and he’s gaining more and more confidence with each passing week but I think the reason they haven’t beaten good teams and the reason they’re you know in this kind of mediocre you know stuck right in the middle NFL stages than not physical enough on both lines well that brings me to my next question John Miles Garrett had his 100th career sack last week against Joe burrow and he’s made a living eating off bad offensive lines in games that don’t mean anything he’s and I mean as a knock on Miles he’s just been incredible in these kind of situations on paper this is a game where Miles could just completely wreck whatever Miami wants to do offensively how can Miami protect Tua from 95 chasing him down in the back field come Sunday uh pretty simple get the ball out of two his hands quick and that’s what he does a brilliant job of doing and and we’ve seen him against some Elite pass rushers you go back to when they played the Raiders a couple weeks earlier with Max Crosby that was basically their moo they are not going to allow to and I I I think it’s partially due to the concussion I think it’s partially due to the way these defenses is scheming them up with it dropping the two safeties back and they daring you to be you know methodical and go 13 14 15o drives and you know I think it’s the offensive line concerns too they’re not going to have him take deep drops you’re going to see him get the ball out of his hands very very very quickly and that means if you’re going to go and beat him you gotta have your guys who are Corners be physical and be willing to tackle that’s why Houston had great success against Tua they did a great job at tackling and Stingley wrecked the game so your Corners to me more than anything have got to be ready to go miles Garrett’s going to get his he’s going to have a moment or two where he can go and wreck the game but it’s going to be a lot of three-step drop not even who are getting the ball out of his hands immediately fast to kind of negate what Cleveland and Garrett specifically a looking to do you know John we was sitting here talking about the Cleveland Browns and talking about the draft because that’s just kind of where we are um I know that y’all have a little bit of playoff hope I think y’all don’t think y’all been eliminated m not much I mean listen a little bit Yeah mathematically alive they still put him in the graphic but I mean you know I would be going to Vegas I wouldn’t go on your Sportsbook and bet the Dolphins to make the playoffs T just saying so let’s say that y’all do get eliminated what is going into this off seon or looking at the draft what’s the one thing that you want them to do to help be a help them be a better team next year physicality I’ll keep talking about it till I’m BW in the face you know the Miami Dolphins have a reputation for being a speed team it’s all well and good Devon hn jayen Wadd pek Hill I need some enforcers whether it’s on the offensive line I got to see what’s going to happen with toron Armstead he’s one of their best players he’s had a great NFL career does he hang it up at the end of this year is he a salary cap casualty are the Dolphins looking for a new tackle they drafted one in the second round uh do they want to move him the guard do they feel good about him and left tackle that that to me is a question and I can never have enough high quality High talented players on that defensive line so if they could get me a premier defensive tackle somebody who could replace what Christian Wilkins gave him and seer’s great I mean Zack seeler should go to the pro ball but I I I’d look at that position I’d look at those Interiors immediately first glance that’s where I’m looking at draft um they’re gonna need two safeties Javon Holland he’s been a good dolphin I don’t know what’s happened to him this year he’s probably cost himself a lot of money in free agency so uh I I don’t think the Dolphins are going to give him a big money contract he and puyer puyer looks like he’s a zil years old I love him he’s had a great career he killed the Dolphins for years but he he looks like a guy who’s probably on the way out do you want to draft the safety in the first round though unless they’re Kyle Hamilton the answer to that question is probably not so I’ll say offensive defensive line you know that’s my first guess you you talk about uh what are you guys doing before we let you get out of here uh you don’t make the playoffs what are you doing uh a head coach uh there’s been whisperings is because we’re sitting here at at kind of the same position like I’m looking around and I’m like listen I would take the Dolphins coach I mean I don’t it’s weird because guys I live in New York if Kevin stefansky got let go by Cleveland the Jets should hire him in five seconds literally five seconds they haven’t made the playoffs in 14 years so I think both franchises I I to me Cleveland got absolutely sabotaged by what happened with DeShawn Watson how is that on Kevin stefansky they literally got Des Shawn Watson and paid him T zillion dollars and his superpowers got zapped away last year he took Joe Flo to the playoffs the Browns to me have their coach and from my standpoint with the dolphins they hadn’t gone to the playoffs in back-to-back years in 20 something years it was not a great year this season for Mike McDaniel but the idea that he’s in a hot water under his job is on the line to me that’s absolute nonsense and the reason why I think it’s nonsense sense guys do you see a coach get a game ball in week 16 and get fired two weeks later I don’t know about you guys but that just kind of seems like a weird optic I think McDaniel’s fine I think he’ll be back all right joh we’ll get out of here on uh two nonf football related questions real quick but somehow you know Justin Grimes who is my high school basketball I do good buddy of mine golf pal that’s right how do you know Grimes I need to know this backstory real quick how do I know him so I met him when he was bouncing during the summertime at a bar down to Jersey Shore called bar that I used to venture to and he knows I’m a big dolphin guy so we hit it up we exchange numbers you know there not many guys in the New York area I could talk dolphin shop with so gramsey became one of my guys we play golf all the time tremendous dude so that’s how go swing you you were Grimes though that’s the real question oh Grimes is good I stink I stink gri lastly Grime somehow isn’t our only connection I also know Nikki lulo who you work with at who is a big Kansas City Chiefs fan must be nice they Super Bowl must be who’s the bigger Yankee fan though Nikki or uh Mr Grimes that’s a good question Nikki Grimes Grimes is a huge Yankee fan but when I think Grimes I think Dolphins I have to be honest awesome well that is John jky of the ringer iny you can follow him on Twitter at John shy John appreciate you taking time and join us today and we’ll hopefully have some better things to say about the Browns and the Dolphins next year yeah hopefully the next Browns Dolphins game is a little more juicy than this one guys I appreciate it anytime guys happy holiday mer Christmas same to you that is John justmy we’ll put his Twitter in the YouTube description and we got a read and let’s get to our last topic here yeah guys I just want to remind everybody that after the Browns Dolphins game no matter how bad boring or whatever happens G Mike and Earl are going to be on we’re going to do a postgame show we always do our postgame show at the two-minute warning so as soon as that two-minute warning hits turn on YouTube we’ll walk you through the game we’ll hold your hand we’ll make you feel better it’s okay they become therapy sessions is really what it’s become the last uh last seven do y’all do Y show two hours no long it has gone an hour and a half before we’ve gone an when they beat the Ravens when the Sha went 14 to 14 the second half we had like n 90 super chats and ended up going for a while when they suck like they have recently against the Jets when they lost in like 12 seconds yeah we was wning for like hour because we couldn’t believe it I just couldn’t believe the last two weeks have been like 40 minutes though yeah so uh one last topic to get through before we get to some super chats today Jerome Ford over the last two weeks has been pretty impressive he’s the only running back in the NFL this season to have back-to-back games with a 60 yard rush tiis G has Ford’s impressive two game streak here made you reconsider your thoughts on him being the future I see your face and I agree with you so don’t I’m just asking the question has it made you rethink your future of whether or not Jerome Ford could be the Browns running back one for next season who Bambi he B he he trots and frolics in the can Jerome Ford be the running back one next year for the Browns that’s the question yeah absolutely he could be would I be happy about that no I mean listen J Jerome for listen I will say this to be fair to Jerome for I do think if Ken is gonna be the play caller I do think he best suits Ken’s play caller he is better in the spread I told y’all that last year his best runs came out of spread formation shotgun formations that’s his thing so right now this what he’s currently in this system that he’s currently in is perfect for what he wants to do if that’s going to be the case I don’t know what they going to do in the future I don’t know what they if they going to go back to Kevin under Center stuff or not but I tell you in the spread that’s why he’s able to do this because this is what he’s used to you talk about Bambi and picking holes well and the spread you literally is getting it all right then you make your move to where if it’s downhill you ain’t got that much time it’s like you got to hit it so that’s why I think he’s been able to be really good in effective these past couple of weeks just throwing that out there under no circumstances it’s B BM I mean he looks so good when he turned it on outside he be tipping he be running High chest High perfect form just CAG he does have that good for he be looking all good he be like man who is that out there that’s Bambi Bambi’s not doing nothing the first 17 games of the year in the third quarter the fourth quarter I see him pass up a ho that was just just just just I said man he could get 12 14 yards right there and and by bounced it out to the side went out of bounds for a gain of 6 inches first play of the game 60 something yard but he intoxicate you with these Eric mfes runs he looks real good he got his listen his he’s one of them dudes that like yo you come off the bus he got his all he got the white tight suit on he got a whole cat suit on all white 2% body fat perfect form is he under contract for next year I just think he has one more year left I mean H that a this third year to answer this question Fair it depends on the style of offense no the answer is no let’s be honest the answer is if they run in the spread he could be fine he’ll be fine could yes should will no if he’s your rb2 I think he’s a fine rb2 I agree if you want him to be your third down back he’s pretty good in terms of uh receiving but it’s too inconsistent and to G’s point he right now do you know Ty uh not Ty Jerome Jerome Ford is third in the NFL in yards per carry behind saquon and Derrick Henry it’s absurd because he has the 80 yard run and then he has eight yards for negative eight 18 yard who did we play not last week two weeks ago two weeks ago was the Chiefs okay Chiefs how do you what do you think about the Chiefs defense it’s one of the best right pretty good yeah okay so and he he had one long run that’s what I’m saying he too consistent to be your rb1 wait can I can I step up to a little bit of for it’s not rv1 long run a game it’s be one cuz you get the most carries he he getting 70 to 80 yards a game those negative yards how many is it of the quarterback throwing at six yards behind the line of scrimmage to him in a check down and then him getting sandwiched immediately well that’s not rushing yards though I mean he’s getting he’s getting handoffs and he’s just he tiptoes he just tips in one spot and runs into his offensive Line’s hamstrings maybe if the offensive line was getting down the field and getting on the if the fact of the matter is if our offensive get to the second level he he going Jerome for is proven if the line blocks correctly he can turn something what that’s what I’m telling you in three years of watching Jerome Ford tyus have you seen Jerome Ford do anything that turns a poorly blocked play into a positive Net game for the brown no that’s not so he’s not a rb1 that’s what I’m telling you we don’t have one I’m not saying we do that’s the best option right now man this is who we going to get yeah that’s like saying I’m hungry and I have no food in front me so my best option is to eat the table like no just eat this notebook paper me B I don’t know if I like the the I don’t get the baby reference you no one gets half the reference I say like no tip because it’s it’s a tip it’s like it’s like it’s like it’s it’s like a like he’s just like well I called Evan Moy Bambi last year what I would what I would say is this I would look hard to get another running back but if we had no choice and had to fall back to him I’d be okay if the Browns have deont foran Jerome Ford and Nick chub coming off his foot surgery as their backfield Trio next year will they finish higher or lower than 28th in the league of lower lower man so what are we talking about here tus I I just said if you have to go I would go get another running back but if I don’t get one I’ll be fine with him so so this is this is what I said this is tough because when you do shows like this it’s just like I I try not to think about the Browns turn they better draft one let’s just say that I try not to think about them no I ain’t taking them in the first round because Ty is like like there’s somebody who’s responsible for that room it isn’t like Jerome for just showed up no like like no like somebody picked these players and specifically was like these are my running backs that I’m hang these are what and Deontay Foreman is a powerb who fumbles on the goal line and and kick returns and kick returns Deontay foran Deontay Foreman is a running back that every time we get to the one yard line it takes him two attempts to get in makes no sense every time every time he’s gotten down to the one yard he gets Stoned on the first one makes me laugh every time yeah you know it’s wild because you know we you know we talk about special teams and the Browns do things only the Browns do hey did we cut that guy that we brought in to gave Kate York a breather what happened patter yeah he got picked up out but uh Hopkins he got picked up by the Falcons Falcons picked him up and today Bubba ventron was talking while we were somebody on the kick on the practice squad like yesterday or two days ago well Venton spoke at 11:00 a.m. this morning we pull up exactly what they what ventr Tron said because I thought it was kind of funny Venton said Dustin Hopkins kicking these next two games if he don’t make something Shak in these next two games the writing’s on the wall I thought Mary K tweeted it they gave him a breather yeah if if he don’t if he don’t make his kicks in these next two games it’s done oh uh Bubba Venton on Dustin Hopkins quote we have confidence in him and he’ll be able to figure it out it is an option though to send him for the final two games which tells me they have a ton of confidence in Dustin Hopkins so the the and also DTR you let him play these next two games he can’t make no kicks in these next two it’s like K York they gave K York every opportunity in the preseason they let him kick all four games in the preseason and once he missed them in that it’s done like why are we doing we’re not even about to do this so so we need an we need to know going into this off season what you are and what it is so we know what to do at what point at what point do you say there is no one performing adequately your kicker doesn’t your goal line running backs don’t Jerry Judy any receiver besides Jerry Judy no quarterbacks wait you said j i’ hate to cut you up but I got ask t a question before we get the super chats because I got people got big mad at me on Sunday tiis for something I said on Twitter which never happens and I said how could a team with one offensive weapon in Jerry Judy go through the entire half and Target him once and everyone was saying well DTR just can’t read a progression well DTR said that he was being double team the entire game fair enough but you played at the highest of high levels in the NFL yeah you can game plan ways for certain players to get targets and touches correct correct even if you have a bad quarterback yeah what are some of those ways just so I could use this as ammunition next time people try to tell me how can we get Judy the ball if he’s even if DTR is a quarterback how how else could you make sure Jerry Jude is a bigger part of the offense three Targets in the G you could throw him a screen now you could you could throw stop routes two ways reverse um three ways yeah jet sweeps jet sweeps three ways yeah that’s not his game though my point is if you have one offensive weapon and a Young quarterback wouldn’t you make it a bigger Point try and get Jerry Judy the ballmore I’m spamming I’m spamming the the wide receiver out at RPO all of the Tuttle screens bubble screens rocket screens put them in the back field throw it to them maybe DC can’t handle that type of stuff man listen that’s what did in college it’s a different game maybe Ken dorsy can’t game plan DTR that that that was my point and then people were like that’s not how football works I’m like I’m right so tyus you know that wait what did you do tyus she’s not a professional quarterback Doria Thompson Robinson usfl XFL Ty Cali that’s sad do y yall think this is sad that a lot of the times this is the people that be on the 53 man roster we’ll go through at at some point in time and say that guy’s not even good enough to be in the NFL they will get cut from the Browns and nobody ever touch them yes said but yet they stayed on the Browns roster for x amount a years that’s crazy to me that that blows my mind I always said like even even me tyus P got cut and at least I’m talking about I was I got claimed like that it’s a to you though crazy some people will get on that roster for x amount of years and go right to the work and get fire get cut one time and never get picked up that’s and the Browns kept him around for that long and even as bad as I may have been even as bad as my career has been I’m I got I made it to nine different teams and I’m still waiting for the rebuttal I’m still waiting for this rebuttal it’s open it’s it’s always classic people say that Jimmy Haslam and the Browns fire people too quickly I’m asking you it’s out there to to I could be proven wrong name me the Cleveland Browns coach that got cut that went that got fired too early that went to another place got a job bill bich that does he this is 99 J you haven’t got an answer yet cuz the answer doesn’t exist the answer does so yes we’ve been firing people justly for 25 years hey let’s get us some Super Chat to wrap up the show yeah guys our first Super Chat here comes from Van Wilder the fact that we have to jump through hoops to watch NBA games is why the ratings are down Regional sports are ruining basketball and I’m like you and we talked about that the other day uh from DB dog pound this offseason does matter because you need to get the best available players in their Prime when the Dome opens we don’t want to go in with a bunch of rookies yep and then from just bookshelf shout out go give him a follow on YouTube Tik Tok and Instagram he’s a buddy of mine Anthony is a nerd all he does is read and listen to Emo music make him do all the reads from now on what shout out to book show what is some Emo songs that you listen to I I would like to just off the top of my head yeah give me one I’m going check it out and on my way down yeah let me go through my Spotify top 100 we’ll talk about it in over time is panic is panic has a disco emo is that yeah but they’re not good what’s the best what’s the best I know that one I think Fallout Boy like if you’re looking emo em like Fallout Boy is like my go they used to be listen to their early stuff like that’s uh I mean they’re not anymore but their early their early albums very emo I love when white people be like listen to their early stuff like because there you guys are like yeah I like this band I don’t listen to music like what that’s like yeah I don’t listen to music when you’re in the car what you do M podcast he’s in that he’s in that cult he’s in that Rogan cult he listen to No no no but but if you listen to podcast you’re in the Rogan cult no don’t me I don’t listen to I canot he controls the industry it is called Rogan call wait a minute we’re a podcast so anyone listen to us is a they prer to listen so what podcast are you listening to I got a whole rotation look he got names we I take I take a lot of the content we get I hear someone do something I say I can do it better and that’s how a lot of our games have come across dead ass good they they do these podcast is a whole another land of like just shanga just just random talking people and you’d be like man it’s like a whole another un it’s I listen to mostly sports related podcast though like it’s all within the sports OB see over time peace [Music] oh [Music]

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