Iman Shumpert once again claims LEBRON JAMES RUINED THE NBA

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was a couple of things I seen number one Pat Riley’s getting a stature in front of um the Lakers Arena you don’t like that shout out to Pat Ry I like the idea but the last three that we done seen n they gonna get his right it’s probably G it’s probably gonna look like Joe Biden no it’s they gonna get his right I mean I just don’t understand if they didn’t fix the other ones why are you do already doing another one so that’s my I love the idea Pat Riley deserves one he should get one but can we fix absolutely let me ask y a question let me ask y a question about the statute yeah yeah should the NBA stop doing statues and start doing wax figures because like Wax figures usually look just like the person yeah I like that idea that’s a good idea Jay I I said just let’s let’s just go away from the uh statues because every statue that was made not just for the NBA but every statue that has been made since the pandemic has been horrible shout out to the Martin Luther King statue in DC all of them have been horrible let’s go with wax figures from now on are wax figures climate controlled though can they be outside put them in the indoors put them in the indoors like in the vestibule hey they gonna get Pat ry’s right we ain’t gotta worry I promise and I I think the reason why they do statues is because of the fact that they can withstand uh you know elements they can withstand vandal Stu like that it’s the brothers man they not gonna get the brothers right they right they just gotta pick better uh artists to do to do it like I need to know the name of the artist for each statue that’s the thing they’re not saying L BR you know what with Ray J as a consultant oh granny from Baton Rouge I know that gumbo probably uh leg probably my granny your your granny from Baton Rouge uh my family from Louisiana yeah I got family in Baton R yeah I knew something was up that lightskin you you Creo I knew I’m Creo bro we I I never hear from it I’m Creo I knew something was up this man Creo 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also oh hold on is my um Bluetooth not ready but also um in the news Harden pass Ray Allen uh for number two all time in three-pointers what y’all think about that it was bound to happen but he got a long way to go to get the number one gon get that and the words of men on F he [ __ ] you hate what why why you why you hate that he got the a record to Jay hated it it’s it’s it’s not real so so the thing about Harden in my opinion you could tell the you could tell the story of basketball without any of his contributions so I don’t damn damn Jay DN I like that J is really killing it today I like that that’s philosophical there we go that was philosophical that was you nailed it yeah and so with him with him get being the second uh the person with the second most made threes of all time it kind of not tells all his fallacies on the court it it it kind of bigs him up in a way that I don’t want people who didn’t watch games to look back on Harden and that’s just personal for me yeah my thing is look at the the the N like okay three-pointers you think of real Shooters look at the list he passed Ray Allen who’s number one Stephan step wordell is do any of us feel like James Harden is in that caliber when it comes to shooting no we don’t have anything to talk about congratulations I I wonder I wonder how much more attempts did James Harden have than everybody El I mean how how how much more attempts did Steph have than Ray Allen I mean the conversation that people are saying it’s not a conversation anymore like that Steph is just automatically the best shooter we’ ever seen I’m not so sure that’s true like I I still think no no I still think his dad I still think Ray Allen I still think Reggie Miller re bird Mar price they’re all in they all in discussion but James Harden took almost a thousand more three-pointers than Ray Allen that’s ins I think I think that accuracy is important it’s just volume but you can’t deny the like the with the ease that Steph does make these shots that’s why he’s in the discussion and that’s why James Harden Isn’t So Steph is definitely automatically in the discussion but to to rule out people who didn’t volume shoot the way they do in this era like Mark Price who invented the 50490 yes who actually Steph Curry actually if you watch Steph Curry game it’s identical to Mark prices really really really really close it’s very like people think that uh Steph Curry got M mu do her o game he doesn’t Mark Price is the is a carbon copy of what Steph Curry is doing now Mark Price invented splitting the defense on the screen and roll Mark Price catching was Unreal his dribble pull up from three was Unreal Mark Price Mark Price did a little more effortlessly too if we just being honest yeah it it the thing about Mark par game is it never looked like he was working hard but he always got a good shot up uh but but yeah I mean we living in an area a era of volume like I think I think Bri is in the top 10 of made threes all time he is I think he’s like number number seven or number eight and I’m like dog when did that happen when they were showing the list of Harden creeping up on Ray Allen like re he was four he was for short they had the top 10 and LeBron was like number seven I’m like when did that happen like what I’m saying man it longevity plus volume equals you can be on that list I bet you they on the list as far as most three points missed too are heck yeah for sure like I said accuracy is definitely when you talk about the greatest shooter of all time I think it’s you your your criteria has to be a blend of you know accuracy efficiency and again like you know you know being able to actually put the the how you put the the ball in the cup right and Steph just does it he doesn’t he might not have the accuracy as the other guys but the way of the style of which does shoot that’s that’s not going to be replicated like nobody can shoot the ball like Steph yeah but but that changes if someone’s guarding him 94 feet like Veron Maxwell or Greg Anthony or Derek Harper and they’re hand checking him all the way up court and the whistle is not on his side not helping him and then when he get rid of the ball and he’s trying to run off these screens I’m still giving you all types of uh heavy defense that’s different what your your leg what your legs are going to feel like after you have to use all that energy to get up Court but what I will say is Steph has one of the best cardiio because he’s always moving and he’s gotten his shot up in a phone booth plenty of times before well let me ask yall the hypothetical real quick if every player that you’ve ever seen play basketball played in this era who do you think would be who who you think would be number one on most made three points and then I’mma tell you all y’all why y’all wrong man that’s tough man if question so if everybody like if you take all the great Shooters and you say hey look man you can get 12 threes a game and just Jack them up you don’t have to go down low don’t matter what defense look like pull ain’t no ain’t no Ain ain’t no hand checking uh you got freedom of movement man I would I would want to say I think some good answers over there Ray Steph Glenn right I R I’m leaning towards Ray yeah I would want to say Ray so this is the thing about Ray his his uh physique his body and his legs his lower body his uh his his uh you see he got the biggest cast muscle uh for in in history for guards I don’t know I mean he might had the biggest cast musles uh for big men too like he he was he was ready for all of that running around he was conditioned for that yeah right and that’s and that’s why the Three-Point Contest he could you know most players that shoot with uh a lot of lift in their legs and the Three-Point Contest wasn’t that good and better three-point better Three-Point Contest or people like Larry Bird who really jumps or Steph Curry who really jumps but Ray Allen was so conditioned for it it didn’t bother him so if he if he if he wasn’t getting no no opposition and no defense hey and you know what else Ray Allen is probably out of all the shooters one of if not the most athletic early on in his career people forget that like he’s an a he definitely was the most athletic but I finally seen I finally seen two people with the right answer that answer in my opinion ain’t a guard man it it’s the hick from French Lick boy it’s like bir it could be bird it could be bird and I like that Ellis answer too yeah he did I like I ain’t mad at D Ellis he wasn’t good enough to start and stay on the floor so he wouldn’t be the he wouldn’t have the most I I I I asked that question only because I just wanted to show you how different the game has evolved over that time and like we don’t even we don’t even think about how how much of a burn a Larry had but he he just didn’t have to he didn’t have you know what I’m saying that’s just not the way they played ball in the 80s yeah crazy the name that didn’t pop up at all was Harden y with that with with that with that we’ll move before before we get into everything the games that are on ton night Philly Brooklyn right now they in the second quarter almost have time Philly is up by six but there’s NO3 or no they probably well maybe not uh because you know Maxi is back and then you know him and McCain you know you know they they probably can hold it down against Brooklyn but there’s no NB there’s no Paul George tonight uh they’re both out uh Washington and Boston is is is tied up right before the half uh that’s interesting uh golden state is uh is up by five against New Orleans and then later on we got Bulls Hawks Rockets Trailblazers bucks Pacers Mavericks nuggets and I think uh Luca is missing that Nuggets game not sure was y Yi just missing it as well and then King’s Clippers uh all tonight uh so but but y’all riding with us tonight man so uh we we go we go in to before we slide real quick just want to quick note I think Zion should go ahead and hang it up they just came out and said today that he is not even close to coming back this year bro right now they gave him a contract too I told people not I told people not to draft him and I told people not to get him no contract so I I I don’t I don’t know what I can’t I can’t keep finding you know excuses and reasons like just go ahead hang it up man because if you dis andury prone in your first what five six years it’s not gonna get any easier yeah it probably won’t get better so no man Wast of the W draft pick and and can going to have a longer career than him and K reddish can’t even get his uh feet uh on the ground with the squad it’s so we it’s so weird that he can’t meanwhile Bri there will be there will be no there will be no cam fam slander I ain’t slandering cam I’m not crazy he’s not seeing the hardwood and he probably deserves to I would you not you were not you were not calling the hardwood in front of all these dudes we’re not calling no Hardwood say hardwood you said hardwood oh my fault I’m not gonna allow you to do yourself like that yeah set Hey listen I would have lost my house because I’d have bet that cam R was gonna make a splash in the league me too I thought he was gonna be the starter we we drafted him 10 overall I thought I I saw everything that I needed to see from cam to make me think that he was going to be one of them ones in the league if not starters serviceable then you know what I’m like not team like this is crazy it’s crazy to me where he at now he in LA right Rish is a a chick with all hips and no but when you walk past you look bad be like psych that’s I actually thought he was gonna have a better career than um uh RJ Barrett and Zion too and uh RJ Barrett is is it seemed like he might be working harder than them cause he’s not that good no he’s not not you know what you’re not wrong it I I’ll allow RJ bar SL there any day of the week I mean if you squint your eyes and watch him play you can’t tell if it’s RJ Barry or um sabash Muhammad yeah you know was like 20 years old playing in high school that’s another story hey man let’s let’s roll it man yeah all right man so Iman Shumpert probably last year was on the podcast I can’t even remember the name of it but he uttered the words that LeBron ruined basketball for his move to Miami making it okay um for superstars of his caliber to team up in their Prime um and he got a lot of flack for it and like most people that say something like that about LeBron the next time you hit him talk about it they backpedal like Josh Norman or Deion Sanders and uh they kind of changed their tune we just seen Wilborn not Wilborn what’s uh what’s the uh windhorse we just seen windhorse do it in the uh just recently last week but Shumpert went on Shaq’s podcast this week and he did not backpedal he doubled down this is this is what he said I’m not a fan of what I’m seeing this year Boston has won so I I figured Milwaukee was going to come out like okay we know y’all got the chip but y’all had it easy yeah the real Champs I figured Philly be saying the same thing right I watched Portland the other day go 4 for 42 from the three I memorized it that’s the new game though no that that’s the no no my question to you is has Steph Curry missed that’s not a game four four for 40 well you know I got crucified for this question already has Steph ruined the game CA I also was asked this and I said the person that ruined all of this was was Braun because I felt like Braun’s stance and it’s like Mike if Mike would have made it okay for y’all to just be like yeah I’m leaving this team and I’m going to another CUA I don’t like what the owners are saying if Mike would have did that there would have been no loyalty because we all quote unquote wanted to be like Mike right and I felt like even though Steph was good I felt like Braun was the guy that did it because I feel like when Braun made it okay for people to team up is STO making the star player have to come back with something added to their game I think I think you’re answering a different question I agree with your ex but I’m talking about the style of play with everybody should that’s what I’m saying like you had everybody would come in the league and have they thing that they do that you can’t stop this but now we got the scouting report on you because you made it to the playoffs so this year we gonna take away this and we wait on you to come back and have this so you had Braun go up to Detroit and go through all that right and the man went to my aun went to Miami instead of come back and defend it there so it was like now everybody thinking it’s cool y’all could team up la la la so now you create the three-headed snake out of Steph Curry now once they beat us the two-pointer was gone gone like it if you really break it down and I know my teammates going P me for this it’s our fault like K I mean granted Kyrie halfed his knee you know what I’m saying my shoulder was messed up we had a bunch of injuries but if we don’t lose that first championship who’s shooting threes because y’all have all been telling a look this was the formula y’all wanted y’all said shoot it from half court Steph did all that he still lost and then we continue to watch Braun at the end of the game say hand and then you go to the block at the end of the game where you play that feet step you know what I’m saying Tim Duncan all that that’s why he said teaming up with players the caliber of yourself in their Prime Wade and Bosch like these are the guys I supposed to be competing against but I’m going to team up with them he said that prevented Superstars like LeBron from going into the lab in the summer time adding something to that game and coming back and showing the team that just beat them you can’t use that defense against me no more I got something for it instead of him saying I’m going to the lab to get something that I need to beat you he said I’m going to find a player not one player two players to add to my repertoire to beat you and he said that’s what ruined the NBA not the three-point shot man what y’all thoughts I’m GNA start I want to I want Dominique answer that question and you gotta unmute okay so I just I think that um Iman schumpert I think it’s a really interesting thing that for him to say that if they don’t win that Championship there’d be no threes it was already an exciting thing that that season so I I disagree with that I mean Steph Curry had been going off with these three-point shots it was a popular thing I don’t think that um yeah I disagree that if the Cavs win that there’s no nobody shooting three-pointers I disagree with that they got to the finals so when you think about LeBron’s career right um that’s all that you know fans think is important they don’t think winning titles is important in this generation so that’s why I disagree with what Iman Shumpert says I think he has a point and I I do agree with him that you know LeBron James and super teams ruin partly ruin the NBA but unfortunately um winning doesn’t matter in this generation so sheesh I mean it doesn’t LeBron 10 straight finals Steph Curry that that style of play took him to the finals right so the argument that we’ve heard over the last 20 years is that going to the finals is better than getting kicked out of the first round so was able to get to the finals 8 years in a row with that play style you get what I’m saying like why would why would nobody be shooting threes well well so it’s two it’s two parts of what he was saying so the part you’re talking about is him saying if if you’re GNA blame the threes for the demise of the NBA then it’s really not on Steph it’s on us for not being able to beat him and I think there’s a little bit of Truth to what he’s saying as far as I like the accountability of it for sure yeah so so like when when when things come into the league and NBA NFL that both copycat leagues if if we see one thing work other teams are going to be like hey I want to duplicate that right so with what the Warriors was doing um we haven’t seen it win yet like Harden was doing it with the Rockets Steve Nash was doing it with the Suns uh the Warriors was doing it with um uh with the uh we believe team and it hasn’t won so when it when no one was really copying it that much and then when the Warriors was doing it everyone was looking like man is that going to work and if it doesn’t work and they lose then you don’t see that many teams trying to copy it and I think that’s what uh sheper was saying but the most important thing to me is the fact that he was saying the super team is more uh conducive to the demise of the NBA than it was the three-point shot it was the fact that the person that was considered to be either the best or the second best player in the league made it okay for you to uh leave your kingdom join another guy who is a king with a kingdom and then bring a third guy who’s a king with a kingdom and all of y’all join together in y’all Prime and say let our powers combine I captain the planet right so I I think that’s what what what the main thing but go ahead yeah I mean I I think for sure LeBron cheated the game in my opinion with these super teams and what he did was he enabled other stars to do that and then what we saw was we didn’t see naturally the same teams that you know going back head-to-head in the finals that was orchestrated so I just think that I think Iman schumpert was right to a point I just disagree with him about the three-pointers because teams were already copying Steph Curry before he won guys were already copying before they won that title so they had been winning how many teams though do you think it was more after he won though more teams trying to emulate that Warriors place after he won I don’t really see people emulating the Warriors play style I just see them taking more volume three-point shots think they think they think they’re emulating it that’s the Warriors play style they think that’s what it is the Warriors play style start with defense to be honest with you they switch everything on defense they got they got players that can they can guard the perimeter and uh guard the post like Draymond or or Wiggins or stuff like that that’s what they’re that and Iguodala when he was there that’s what their defense was was predicated on and that’s what started everything but the fact that they got clay and Steph made it all right man we can we can put these threes up because we got these two guys that’s the secret sauce people was copying it and didn’t know they really wasn’t copying it and to me I mean three is better than two right I mean I think we all know that here I don’t think it takes a genius to understand that but it’s really it is about playing winning basketball and I’m not sure for me I’m I’m not sure that the the Three-Point Contest is winning basketball but I think that the Warriors played great basketball throughout that that run throughout that dynasty run they played really good basketball and that’s the point I think that people are missing you know defense creates offense yeah the people that’s copying them aren’t playing good basketball though I think the Warriors still play and and back then play great basketball but they do they do look they traded clay and off they went that’s crazy I think shump said a lot and um you know you kind kind of like you you at at base level you like yeah LeBron cheated the game you know you went and join two superstars and you know but him breaking it down like that it’s like okay yeah because LeBron went to go find some people that could hide his deficiencies so that way he wouldn’t have to totally take the blame or totally take the the responsibility and he wouldn’t get blamed for if something happened on on the back like say he had like defensive issues or something like that right but you had Wade who was a good defensive guard you had Chris BOS who was good uh defensively inside which was neither of what LeBron was good at so LeBron was only good at at at at at Duncan and Chase down blocks right and obviously that wasn’t conducive to winning in seven years you didn’t win a championship with Cleveland so um I I like what Trump said I I don’t have any any push back against what sh said I it was solid go ahead Jay well first of all uh shum is kind of right but he’s mostly wrong uh number one the rules ands like I I don’t everybody Dominque just said it three is better than two everybody’s computer will tell him that hey you can get more points if you hit a three three-point shot over a two-point shot you know what I’m saying so analytics is really part of the downfall of the NBA number one how MA that’s how math works too but but that’s exactly how math works so you know I can’t really get mad at that however uh now um so so the part where I think sh was right A lot of people uh everything everything comes with a price so the whole LeBron going to join other people yeah it it it brought player empowerment but it took away longevity now every year it’s almost like ask question Ro did that really bring player empowerment and I only asked that because LeBron is not the first person to leave at the end of a contract Kareem Abdul Jabar left when or he requested and demanded to get out of Milwaukee so like why how is it player empowerment to leave a team at the end of your contract at as a superstar at that level when people have done it before why are you crediting him with that I think the player empowerment okay so what what happens now is it empowerment or is it cheating and teaming up no people no no no no no no no no no so people did it before him but after he did it it made it okay for everyone to do it so so now people where the player empowerment came from is no we’re not even going to sign early actually when we sign our deals we’re going to structure in a way that uh the last year or the last two years the player option so I can even opt out and become a restricted free agent before I actually served my turn calling play empowerment he made it okay for super teams that’s what he made it okay whatever have done what he’s done before well there were super teams before he did that not really was never beforehand I think the empowerment comes from like what Jay said is the fact that it went from Team options to player options and then also it was the fact that the players were more like hey it’s not that we need these teams we’re making it the case where these teams need us right so we’re sitting at the table and we’re calling the shots because hey you you call me right you feel like I’m the piece that you need to to win the championship I hold I mean and and and before that before that you didn’t hear you didn’t hear people you didn’t hear people going on free agent tours and and going to visit seven or eight teams and everybody clamming over the one player so so here’s the thing I I’ll give you so if you don’t want to call it player empowerment we can call it I just don’t want to call it empowerment because when you think about what he did he didn’t I don’t know that that was empowering to players what okay sure it was and I’ll tell you why and I’ll tell you why away the ability for organizations to form teams is that what you’re saying right so you took you took you took it you took the power out of the organization’s hands and put it into the players hands and I’ll tell you so much so that you actually made this point earlier and you actually made this point earlier but you was talking about the fans you said that winning is not important as long as they made it to the finals right so even to the players winning is not important what’s important is getting that Max contract that’s way more important than hard way you you’ve even heard former nbaers always had the power to do it I believe that players always have the power to say oh I want to team up with Larry Bird they wanted to compete that’s all that I’m trying to tell you now here here’s the thing here’s the thing demanded right now right now right now we have a whole lot of power we have the ability to do a whole lot of things but until one person becomes the Martyr and does it No One’s Gonna No One’s Gonna Buck the status quo it we do things nine nine out of everything nine out of 10 times everything that we do is out of social norms so he broke the norm which allowed everyone else to say hey if this guy can do it we’ll do it too so and made it new Norm yeah there you go which is what which is what Iman was saying he he said the fact that LeBron did it because even this comment on on screen from KAS he said Boston teamed up first Garnett Ray Allen Paul Pierce both they did uh form a big three in Boston that is true but no one was going to look at that and say I’m gonna copy that because that wasn’t uh Lebron level player or Michael Jordan level player what Iman was saying is the fact that LeBron did it is what made everyone else follow because LeBron was the the leader he was the face of the NBA at the time remember remember I said he empowerment think about when 12 people run a red light right and they’re all getting away with it and that 13th person gets pulled over by the cops that person can’t say LeBron no I’m just saying they weren’t empowered to run the red light they were following that person that’s not empowerment you’re a follower that’s not empowerment when you get when that 13th person gets pulled over in the analogy contrasts Kevin Durant when he teamed up with Steph Curry and how people treated him for it comes with let me this Durant empowered that’s just me let he was he was empow he left in free agency but it is it you do got to give LeBron uh credit for player empowerment error but player empowerment is what’s part of what’s uh diminishing the ba was it was it was a bad thing but you got to give LeBron credit for it because he was the guy that said instead of me staying here in Cleveland and suffering with them not bringing me um uh the help that I need don’t want to spend no money I just leave and I I uh I negotiate with players that are free agents because they’re my friends and I team up with them that does give you some type of player empowerment because everyone was thinking like dang we can do the same thing Kevin Durant and and Steph Curry and Draymond Green was like I can call Kevin Durant when he’s a free agent and say we got money for you why don’t you come over here and we can you know what I’m saying we can do whatever and what you know LeBron well let me give you the flip side of that too let me give you the flip side of that too now now let’s say you’re a organization like oh I don’t know Milwaukee and you want to keep your star now you let him dictate moves that you would have never made You’ have never brought Dame in You’ have never done that you know what I’m saying but but now yeah he he never got two contracts but Jay but you know what else actually proves that player empowerment was was was a thing is the fact that they went to the CBA and made a rule to combat player empowerment that was saying hey look we’re going to make it an incentive for you to stay with your ball Club especially if it’s a small Market you can sign for more of a max deal uh which yeah which your ball club uh than you can if you leav in free agency so player empowerment was a real thing but Dominique Dominique is also right that you know um it ain’t nothing to smile about that’s all I’m trying to say I just think the word is wrong like I I saying earlier though as far so so so them them two things right there uh uh the player empowerment era plus uh and I said it earlier uh Analytics and and David Sterns M uh uh Global plan to Brien up the a whole of things that makes NBA more so you can break it down like this making more money for the league is ruining Adam Sila get Adam Silva it’s Adam Silva don’t talk about his League like that probably is but I mean even even will CH Chamberlain was you know not on his original team I mean this just goes so far back and I hate when we when we try to it’s like we revise history to give LeBron these extra accolades that I don’t think that so it’s not about giving it’s not about giving him it’s not about giving him a Accolade so again uh Jordan end his career on a different team when he came back what what I’m saying is when LeBron did what LeBron did I’m taking my talents to South Beach that that opened up a era it ushered a era when everybody start did that again I don’t think anybody ever made a spectacle of them changing their team nobody’s nobody’s ever nobody’s ever had a chang teams nobody’s ever Chang teams at a higher level and more often nobody’s ever had a show of it but when these free agencies and all these all these uh big Superstar players and their free AG agencies a line up what do they call it super free agent frenzy it has a name you’re right know you’re Kevin Durant fan Chris you’re a Kevin Durant fan so how did it make you feel when he we not talking about we not talking we’re not talking about this we’re talking about player empowerment that’s what we’re talking about and so I just want to understand why is LeBron empowered and why did he create this yet the player empowerment it didn’t quite it it it nobody’s calling it player empowerment when Kevin Durant did it you know are sure they are because as a result of it just because that’s what they called him doesn’t mean it’s not playing I do what your contract says that you’re allowed to do player empowerment is because because up until that point up until that point when a superstar up to that point up until that point in this Sport and in in NFL or whatever when a superstar contract ends or nears the end the automatic assumption was we read this up you’re gonna herea assumption you’re talking about did that Michael Jordan stayed with his team there were players that stayed with their team but not everybody did that’s all they trying to hold on hold on hold on hold on Dominique both of y’all both of y’all are right yeah right because listen I’m I’m about to I’m about to break it down and I’m open phone line well I’m G let zo go then I’m open the phone lines up but listen Dominic you’re right and Jay you’re right as well but y’all just y’all got your’ wires crossed what Jay is saying is what was and this is his exact words he said the social norm and the social Norm for a player of LeBron’s caliber Michael Jordan leird those guys now I’m disputing that Kareem Abdul Jabar will hold on hold on hold on let me let me let me say that hold on let me let me just let me just say this because it’s an exception to every rule right so Michael Jordan lber and no one was trying to be like Kareem everyone was trying to be like Mike so the social Norm for top players like LeBron and Kobe was to stay with their team was it a social Norm though when you’re playing for Boston and the Lakers so we kind of have to take so I can give you more names Patrick davidon hold on a second because when you have Michael Jordan who created and sort of built that Bulls franchise he is to me the exception he was the exception he wasn’t already a part of an organization that had it all together you know what I’m saying but hold on Dominique they gave the blueprint to LeBron who went to a team just like Chicago team that Cleveland was hold on Dominique the team that Cleveland was was the exact team that Chicago was when LeBron got I mean when Jordan got there so what I’m saying is the blueprint was made right no there was it was not normal for guys in their Prime to say you know what I’m about to go team up with this guy right Jordan didn’t do that normal it was just Jordan that didn’t do it though well well hold on ique it’s two pieces today it’s one leaving in free agency and one teaming up with another Superstar Kareem didn’t go team up with magic they drafted him after he already went to the Lakers story franch prior toting there he left Oscar so listen Kareem left milwauke to go to La not not thinking that it was gonna get Magic Johnson he he didn’t know he was they was gonna have a superstar LeBron a contender prior to Magic Johnson Brian made it okay not to just leave in free agency as a superstar leaving his throne but he also made it okay to go team up with another guy that was on his level in their Prime right social that that’s the social Norm that uh Jay is talking about that LeBron broke and made it okay for people like Kevin Durant to say oh shoot so you’re gonna value my contributions when I go join Steph Curry and win a ring and it’s just gonna be just like when Michael Jordan stayed with the uh Bulls well I know y’all gonna value it because y’all value LeBron doing it so now it’s normal for Superstars like me top three player in the league to lead and then join up with another Superstar who’s also top five in the league so that’s I I can conc that LeBron made it normal to have super teams in this era but I can’t concede that it was a social Norm prior to that Michael Jordan changed it he changed that idea and that became the standard and then LeBron was what compared to whom Michael Jordan and he could not take those comparisons and that’s why this has happened correct play after him to do the same same decisions that and I think that’s the The Divide is I we agree with every I agree with everything that you just said but I think the difference was that after he did it people did it more and more and more it became more frequent so at the time I think that us so all I was saying us ER so you had to do it in order to compete with LeBron because he’s going to the finals 10 times in a row as a result of controlling the entire league you have to do it in order to compete that’s what you had to do I don’t even know that that’s what players wanted to do I don’t believe in my whole heart that Kevin Durant and Steph Curry wanted to team up I think that they wanted to stop LeBron and that’s why they got together that’s what I that’s what they had to do they had to do they’re like hey you know what F him he’s out here you know galvanizing every Star in the league we have to stop this why don’t we do it too it’s not about empowerment guys you have to understand how much collusion is happening in the NBA collusion hold on you’re saying you’re saying different things we we know it’s collusion we we agree on that that collusion was going on we agree with that but it’s still empowering players to do something that was outside of the social Norm it was not normal for Michael Jordan level players to leave and go join up with L bird level players that was not normal he did n nine times nine times out of 10 when a superstar left a team it was because the team had turned the page on the Superstar at that particular time correct and and with with LeBron and moving forward he wasn’t the only one because because you could say uh you could think about Shaq leaving Orlando to go to La but yeah but outside of that you know saying every single era had it that’s why that’s why I’m combating it but I’m not gonna boil the ocean because the the data is there all right so uh Super Chat um not super chat but a cash app from uh Posh King man I appreciate you brother uh $14 Super Chat he said uh not super chat but uh cash app he said Iman was right on everything uh and we got a phone call uh this caller is from North Carolina caller from North Carolina go ahead hey hey y’all check this out man so I hate to admit this right and don’t think by any stretch of the imagination I agree with what you guys say but I have to say this I’m coming out the closet with this one no ddy but Luca donic is a terrible Defender man realiz I just realized thisit that boy don’t seen the light y hey Chris my man welcome welcome brother welcome to the the path of Enlightenment my brother man that’s crazy you just how you just not realizing that though you still online did we lose him Chris you still on here yeah I think we lost Chris his phone couldn’t handle that truth bomb yeah probably what it was all right call caller from Chicago go ahead well I just wanted to say that um the Boston Celtic thing is not true because kg wanted to go to La I don’t remember him saying that Paul Pierce or Ray Allen called him to come play in Boston okay Dominique you weren’t respond to it I’m I’m good with that he has openly stated that you know the original idea was for him to go to La and play with Kobe that’s what he wanted to do and again I don’t think anybody this panel believes that Boston was a super team those guys were outside of their Prime I I believe no no there was at the end of their Prime my def but but when kg hurt his knee that took him out of his Prime and that and and that they wasn’t the super team anymore he was especially defensively on that super team I I don’t I don’t remember Kevin Garnett saying that he called Paul Pierce to get together no I’m not no I’m not saying that I’m not I’m just design but Boston designed that team not the I’m just no I’m just saying I’m just saying I think they was a super that’s all here’s the thing that people okay I want you guys to name me some players before Michel Jordan who teamed up to go play with each other so Michael Jordan didn’t start the norm it was already the norm uh what the team up yeah yeah but that’s different conversation we’re not what what we’re saying is so this conversation started from Ean saying that LeBron made it o okay for superstars of his level to go and team up with other superstars on his level right while they was in their Prime now what the norm was was everyone tried to do it uh if if like like say for instance all five of us are considered uh Superstars right and we on the same level right we all wanted to compete against each other and beat each other right so we would go find someone that’s a little bit lesser than us as a co-star to to build a team with right that’s what everyone was doing Jordan went hadn’t he got Pippen you know uh Magic hack uh uh James Worthy Bird hack Mel everybody had their co-star stocking hack Malone or Malone had Stockon I’m sorry barley had Kevin Johnson right uh Elijah Juan had he really Elijah really didn’t have a lot of help but R Maxwell would be yeah you know what I’m saying but yeah every everyone that was a superstar was like let me build my team I get a co-star and I get role players and then I’m just go uh roll the ball out and see if we can beat each other right now what LeBron did that was the norm what but what LeBron did is said okay let me three people out this panel that’s that are superstars are in their Prime and I’mma team up they wasn’t doing that before LeBron what they was doing is I try the way you supposed to do it first and if it doesn’t work when I’m at the end of my career maybe I go join some other old dude that didn’t win or one that did win like Clyde Drexler when he joined the ljan or Barkley when he joined the Lan or Pippen when he drawn the lahne or or uh barkle when he dro the lah wine or or Shaq when he joined the uh uh Celtics and the Phoenix Suns and and the Cleveland Cavaliers they when they were old and passed their Prim let me go piggy back with another Superstar and see if it’ll work that way you know all right yeah I’m I’m I’m riding someone’s coattail to a ring but and it’s obvious right but now what they’re doing is before they even try if they if they if they fail for five years they still in their Prime they teamed up and they skipped the process of going through the grind all those years like Kevin Garnett did and say I got one or two more years of prime left let me try to get a ring before I retire that’s how you’re supposed to do it that’s respectable right but that’s not what LeBron them did LeBron said man bump that we not waiting we gotta catch Kobe because he already got five but we’re also also seeing LeBron right he took on every single role in an organization from player coach you know GM all like he’s doing all those functions so players of the past they let the organization do their job and I think that that’s the clear distinction there were always super teams right but were built by the organization and not the player correct shout out to jimers Pro man you and you’re right man they did they did it at the tail end and that was the respectable way man but thank you uh ker from sh Chicago I appreciate it bro and here’s here’s here’s the conversation that people always the the the details that people always tend to forget about the o08 Celtics both kg and Ray Allen were traded to that team it wasn’t a free agent walk it wasn’t a free agent signning right kg had had done 12 years in in in Minnesota Ray Allen had did 11 across two teams before they even got traded they were already on the backside right kg probably had a couple years left Ray Allen maybe had a couple years left as as a feature you know what I’m saying feat player and then what they drafted Rondo uh either that year or the year after right Rondo was there before all of them well he he yeah uh Rondo got there when Pierce was hurt missed the season he got there with Kendrick Perkins and Al Jefferson yeah six oh I don’t know but either way like that was that was the the the proper way of of building a team through the draft and through trades right those Superstars said hey my contract’s up I’m walking and I’m going to join Paul Pierce right that’s a huge key uh fact that people like to overlook when saying that Boston was the first super team I don’t I can’t say I can’t call them a super team because they weren’t built how Miami they were a super team though it doesn’t matter how you got built if you if you got three Superstars you’re a super team and and that hold on we can’t are we we still calling kg and Ray all and Superstars at that point basketball yeah and that’s not that’s not the only way to be a super team neither to me if you got two superstars and three through three through nine are very serviceable people you can still be a super team you could backo your way to a super team po I no I just got different definition but hey uh Dominique and you my dog and and and you know you part of manam but it’s a Super Chat I’m I’mma read it I don’t agree with it you know what I’m saying your energy I’m good I’m good with it you know I don’t I’m not always gonna have popular takes right yeah yeah no your energy is fantastic tonight your energy is fantastic but I read it thanks for the Super Chat uh I often like Dominique takes uh but she’s been a bit annoying right now man she she look she’s doing what we supposed to do on this show and we suppos yeah we challenge we challenge each other and we challenge each other’s ideas and we have different perspectives but guess what we do after the show we all in the group chat laughing and talking and and you know we all love each other man so uh is is she doing what she’s supposed to do I’m not annoyed I’m hey I’m I’m G tell you I’m G tell you what she’s doing shout him out real quick shout out to you Junior because feedback is a gift critical or positive absolutely I’m tell Y what she I’m gon tell y’all what she doing and and everybody missed it except for me and Dominique is my dog and I’m G tell you exactly what she doing she said listen what she’s not gonna do is give LeBron James credit for anything he he damn player empowerment it won’t be him hey that’s hey look and I realized that early on in the conversation I said boy hey I love it she ain’t let them ride she’s not gonna let it ride all right hey do I have somebody else did that hey I got two callers on the line I’m gonna go with the caller from Texas first go ahead brother hey what’s going on this B man what’s good I just wanna uh I want to he on Dominique say I agree with him far as I don’t like mixing the the super teams with the player empowerment it’s been plenty of super teams in our history right regardless if the team built it or these guys join when they was old like when Scotty and Barkley joined elijan course that was the old super team but they created super team what LeBron did when he they was basically almost in there like first second contract all these guys the same draft draft class he joined up three guys that was in his draft class based on their first time being free agent that’s what he did and if he made it all right then why did uh KD get he for when he joined when he joined the other team basic on his first pre agency contract yeah nobody else is done now you’re right you’re right KD thought it was all right he goad KD got killed for look KD got killed for simply for one reason because he joined the team I got I got you I got you cause the KD fan and this is what killed me too about it yeah it was first off it was the the team that just broke the record for the best record in regular season history it was the team that you had on the ropes and they just beat you to get to the finals no not quite not quite that that’s the excuse they use right what what it really was was you are taking rings that the king should be getting all it was about that’s the real deal but people was like this is this is free food because oh that’s cheap that you just so hey Miami never beat Cleveland so it’s okay for LeBron to do this but you just lost to this team and then you went to them it was free food it’s easy but how but but think about it though Chris to me it’s free food too these are these are semantics these are little picky like excuses like Mel is saying that give people like Equity to say these things but when LeBron went to Miami Heat Dwayne Wade already won a title and that that man was in his draft class how is that okay right so we can I I know that all I’m trying to say is like we do these little things and we try to we try to make excuses for it and we it’s all semantics it’s gonna it’s gonna be okay it’s it’s always gonna be okay if it’s the player that you like or the team that you like for instance okay for instance I I’ll switch a whole different sport I’m a Kansas City I’m a Kansas City Chiefs fan and somehow we get we get Dereck Henry next year I’m not GNA say hey they stacking the deck I’m gon say that’s a damn good business decision you get what I’m saying it’s different from football though yeah go the Cowboys but but but let me add one other piece so if he if he started his empowerment tell me what was the next athlete after KD that did the same thing almost their first three agency tried to join his boys and create a team name name the third team the third person that did the same thing that LeBron supposedly opened up this empowerment thing what’s the next te K KD again Harden and uh KY and uh kyri questione contract Kyrie had already been with three other teams I’m talking about it took team players off the first te drafted by and joined the team in the middle of prime not three different hey look heyy hey while you while you moving that gold post I got a couch that need to be moved too yeah that no no I’m not moving to go po you said he opened up player empowerment he did something that nobody else did the only person that came close to in they first uh free agent contract of joining the team to make a super team was KD all these other guys on the third and fourth contract that’s the same thing bar Scotty did you I mean me Le hold on Le what LeBron but also so the caller’s point and I like where he’s going with it but what you said about like the contracts and the CBA and how they went to teams to make it more attractive to stay it was about money think about Dame dollar think about all these other guys that got these super super max contracts to stay with their team so it kind of it gave these players an incentive it was no longer about winning you were either looking to win and build a super team like Kevin Durant because he was concerned about Legacy and all these kinds of things or you were looking for the big payday those are the only two things that are happening right now in today’s NBA all right all right Texas thanks for the call bro I got I got Chris on the line man I’m G let him go man I appreciate Chris hey Chris go ahead go ahead last call Chris go ahead yeah uh I was gonna say uh I metant what I said about the LCA thing man that defense is trash man it’s really bad how you fig that out they G was watching that that for one they record and looking at that jazz game last week like I said I said yeah man it’s over for the maveri man and they lost Defenders man they they Luca needs a team full of Defenders and shooter correct not work correct it’s just like with Trey young Trey young is a great player but if you surround him with Defenders absolutely they the same they the same to as far as play the offensive uh machines and they run the system through them but if you don’t surround them with people uh who can play defense and shoot the basketball the team is pedestrian yeah it’s bad Chris how long ago we told you this though I mean look man like y’all like to talk but at the end of the day Luca took his team to the finals and this reminds me of when I cook one of M’s uh uh subscribers in the comments one time when he said ad was better than Luca and I said how was ad better than Luca when a ad is a number one option when he was in New Orleans the farthest place he got you was to the second round Luca Don has proven as a first first option as the man on his team he can get you to the West Conference Finals twice and he can get you to the finals so I don’t want to hear no ad better than Luka because that’s it’s so much more involved in that yeah it’s so much more involved in that but it it really is man but that’s that’s a whole different argument for a whole different day man championships and championships appearances are organ organizational New Orleans ain’t going to go go anywhere I don’t care if if you gave them the 855 Bears them [ __ ] wouldn’t make the playoffs in football it it’s just the organization bro it’s the organization why don’t why don’t people respect finals appearances anymore the only time people respect the finals appearance is when we talking about Allan Aon that’s the only time people I think they I think they are I think they are respected but again winning winning winning at a high level is an organizational uh accomplishment you know what I’m saying it it take it takes so much more than whoever the number one player is that’s why I don’t give championships or lack there of championships as as much uh credit or emphasis as other people because you know it starts at the top it starts with the owner in GM in my opinion CHR Chris let me ask you this besides the Olympics right what uh organizational sport Praises second place think about I can’t remember if it was the Vikings or the bills it was one of them made the Super Bowl four times in a row it was the bill and lost each one of them nobody nobody glorified second place you can you can make the finals as many times as you want that’s not true second place is glorify all the time in basketball we get we GNA get to a whole bunch of second place dudes in a minute uh on this next segment man but what I want to do really quick though now remember in the in college basketball you you get a banner for making the final four and one of those teams is going to finish in fourth place so you know it in basketball you got a history of second and third place and fourth place being celebrated hey is this AI for real no I’m he said if AI had Kyrie at the number two he would have gotten the chip against the Lakers probably not man the Lakers the Lakers was undefeated that whole they lost te that back court the Lakers out hey I hope I hope this next topic with Michael Jordan is about uh they said Michael thought about coming back to beat LeBron as his rookie year so I hope that’s what y’all talking about I’mma let y’all go Chris so there there was some comments uh it was one comment that said um so everybody got a different definition of what a a super team is right and I I did a video that y’all can find it didn’t get a lot of views man but if y’all can go find this video I broke down what my definition of a super team is and it’s basically uh three Superstars and not just Superstars but number one franchise leading player that are superstars in their Prime and that they can’t be before their Prime and what constitutes is before your Prime is you get a young guy like Westbrook KD and Harden who don’t know how to win yet they’re before their Prime they might be super talented they might be superstars in the future but at that time they were either not Superstars like Harden Westbrook was not Superstars KD was but they were before their Prime so those three together does not constitute as a super team and being past your Prime means that you know you’re Barkley Scotty ping and the Kim Lan you can’t even play 10 games without missing five for being injured like you you can’t count Superstars that’s past their Prime just because they they just don’t got the juice like that no more they’re gonna get outran by younger dudes and stuff like that but a superstar in their Prime who are proven number ones who’s carried team successfully as a number one like Ray Allen did in Milwaukee or what like he did in Seattle or like uh uh Pierce did with the uh with the uh Celtics and like Garnett did with the um the um the Minnesota t- wolves you got three guys who are number one franchise carrying players successful franchises all in their Prime Steel on one team that is a super team right super is the key word in the word super team and you have to have Superstars to be a super team not allar s not Hall of Famers you have to have Superstars to be a super team and three of them is very crucial because there are only about 10 in the entire league so if you got three of them you got a third of them on your team you’re going to have a unfair advantage over almost everybody that’s why super teams is a big deal and that’s why players that are in the goat discussion don’t try to form super teams because you’re making it easy on yourself go ahead M I love how we both ra by that definition Mel then Kevin Durant Warriors was not a super team if you if you if you think Klay is a superstar then they were if you don’t think Klay is a superstar then Klay was Allstar they wasn’t okay well I ain’t got no argument with that I’m just saying it’s so close because even with Kevin Love it’s close it depends on if you think Kevin Love was a superstar or not so if Kevin Love is a superstar to you then that was a super team in Cleveland and if Klay Thompson was a superstar to you then that was a super team with the Warriors but because Klay was also not the one either he’s he he hasn’t proving that he can be a one proving that he could be a one I’ll give you the Kevin Love because Kevin Love was the one yes was one on a successful squad though was he was he a successful number one cause Ricky Davies wasn’t number one in Cleveland before LeBron got that don’t mean he was a superstar you had to you had to be a number one jald Wallace Wallace was the number one yeah yeah yeah you just can’t be a pseudo number one you have to be a number one that can actually carry your team Make Some Noise interesting go ahead Dominique I I think I had a question and I forgot my bad I’m sorry I’m sorry no it’s okay I thought it was cute because Chris and I both raised their hand like this I hey this is a funny comment right here for three reasons Mayo okay that’s one Mayo got the wrong definition of a super team hey he halfway through his crown right now Chris J Chris wasn’t a superstar wasn’t a super right he wasn’t he wasn’t if that’s two what’s the third [Laughter] one never been a superstar a man BOS was BOS was man so Toronto was successful they made the playoffs yeah so oh so now making the playoffs is successful yes yes that yeah that’s at least one team that’s your goal at least the at the bottom tier your team wants to at least make the playoff so that could be number one obviously is a championship but if you can’t achieve that being in conent for a championship that’s number twoo if you for some reason the conference is so stacked that you couldn’t make the playoffs but you had a winning record then that was number three just want to change that was how you categorize if you if you were successful I never seen a a scale go down to Sliding boy we call that a sliding scale but it’s cool oh man y’all want to get to the next topic the next topic G be fun y’ all right so Jay sent me something um oh you know you know what before before we go I forg I forgot to tell y’all that shumer got some heat for this right uh uh on Twitter Eddie Johnson I mean he was one of the one of the a really good shooter that played for Phoenix he played for Houston I think too as well Eddie Johnson was a a straight up shooter man but his response to uh Iman sheper saying this was no loyalty also is ripping the very guy that gave a spotlight to your career by carrying you in that 3.3 points a game during the T title run in 2015 16 people forget don’t they podcast heaven and I think he put a link to his uh podcast Iman replied I didn’t realize you was a real account if you uh if you are a goofy no he was like you are real account you oh oh if you are goofy for not being able to admit he started the trend he he did and you weird for looking up F yeah he just I think the F was a typ I think the F was a typ you weird for looking up stats like it got something to do with what I said and then on the right side some of the people that was commenting trying to point to all these other squads that was also supposed to be super teams but you got car Malone at 40 and I can’t they put that one on there on car man man they put that on there I can’t believe and G pton get that out of here Karine was a thousand years old James was never a superstar you know what I mean uh uham Charles and Scotty please old old as old as a wolf [ __ ] I mean come on man what I think that was I I think all of those are super teams and Jay stop uh you said the hold on time out can I finish can I finish you said the key word is super and not team so most of those teams right there are super old so uh they still super team if the key word is super just super old teamy to say they were super they trying to say everything is a super team man yeah they super old yeah you’re right but I wonder I wonder why in that graphic San Antonio wasn’t put on there San Antonio one of the most organic super teams how many how many superstars they have two how which which two Tony Tony Tony was him Tony was not a superstar bro the superstars was the Twin Towers yeah two and some awesome pieces around to make them be able to you know they would have been what I call the pseudo super team I’ll tell you another one that that never won a championship uh uh Pedra stov and them boys down in Sacramento they had they had one Superstar and David St for that they had one Superstar in Sacramento yeah and and that Portland team that had two of everything they called it noort they had one Superstar and that was Rasheed she they had P pass his prime that don’t count you can’t be before or pass your Prim pip listen p hold on hold on pip was past his prime when he uh teamed up with Elijah Juan and Barkley he went to Portland after that he wasn’t passing no he he was he wasn’t no he wasn’t Pastor spr he was out of shape when he went to Barkley now he played like [ __ ] that year yeah he did hey yeah yeah yeah uh uh but look listen let me uh it was a whole lot of listen two superstars in their Prime is a dynamic duo that’s Stockton and Malone that’s uh Shaq and Kobe that’s pipping and Jordan but three that’s a super team all right um yeah yeah yeah three is definitely Crow man um that Ain how you spell Jay but um and you can your leg can’t be old we going by birthdays bro all right let’s get to this next topic man so Jay sent me something right it was a content creator and I’m sorry if I can’t remember the Channel’s name I apologize but he gave me a good idea and he broke down I’m I’m G put his link uh to his uh podcast in the description um so y’all can go watch the full film but he broke down how the uh landscape of the NBA and how other superstars Legacy would have been changed if Michael Jordan never existed right and uh I thought that was interesting because a lot of people life would change right so Michael Jordan had six rings so that mean that six rings to distribute amongst those Superstars that was playing when he was playing he had five MVPs that have to be distributed and he got 10 scoring titles that uh that would have went to someone else right so what I want what I want to do is start with the scoring titles it’s gonna be yeah it’s G it’s gonna be crazy right so the scoring titles um well I’m just taking the people that was number two when Michael Jordan got the scoring titles so that mean overall Dominique would have ended up with four um car Malone would have ended up with five right both of them are now instantly in the goat debate you think so okay all right so we goonna get there right so I I I just I just want to all right so that’s the scoring titles right then you get to the MVPs right so um you you already know bird had three in a row right but it was one that he was behind Michael Jordan um so he would have ended up with four MVPs Magic Johnson would have ended up with four MVPs as well Clyde Drexler would have got one David Robinson would have had two and car Malone would have had three MVPs hey you got hey you hey hey before you say anything else you got to get that man off of Pier 7even you got so here now now here now here’s the big one with the Rings right so his six rings in 9091 he beat the Pistons so if if it wasn’t for Jordan beating the pistons pistons would have played the Lakers in the finals I’m assuming and y’all can change my mind if you want to but I’m assuming the Lakers get that ring right I’m assuming the next year before that they beat the Lakers year before that against who beat the Lakers before that but but this Pistons team’s got swept by the Bulls do you I mean oh no P I’m not yeah I’m not the three come on Chris yeah I’m I’m Jay I’m with you I’m not so I’m not so easy to give that one to the Lakers I can’t Dominique what you think I’m I don’t know but I’m Gonna Roll with the Pistons okay so go the Pistons P Pistons three Peak with so that mean so that mean Isaiah would have ended up with three rings and probably would have been on the olymp team but that’s is once you beat a team already it’s kind of like you keep be yeah that that’s why the Warriors had to go out and get Kevin Durant you think the Lakers would have lost to the Pistons yeah because they already learned how to beat them and once you do that I mean I maybe I’m wrong but I I I’ll take that so so so Isaiah ended up with three rings okay the next year Blazers would have played the Cavs I’m saying the Blazers would have won that one yeah I agree right so Clyde did get ring when he went and piggy back with uh hake but he would have got he would have got this one ring in his prime they would have probably changed some things so um so now got two I mean not Clyde’s got two well maybe I mean that that’s that’s if he still Houston but I think the most important thing is yeah true the most important thing is he would have got one in his prime he was he was at the end of his prime when he joined the Rockets but one in his prime would have ch a shooting guard discussion then possibly possibly possibly right so that Chang you’re right you’re absolutely right Dominique hold on we gotta we got to remember this is if Jordan didn’t exist so there is no there is no Michael Jordan is the number one now we got to find out who the go debate when we get through all this remember there’s no Jordan keep that in mind correct right um so yeah the best point the best shooting guard we would have ever seen probably would have been Kobe and then probably maybe Clyde would have been in that conversation Iris I don’t want to do that butterfly effect that I don’t want to go that far Dominique I don’t want to go that far Dominique who did he study no no but that’s too much no that CA then Everything Will Change I you know what I mean so I don’t want to go I don’t want to go do the full Butterfly Effect right because we won’t have no fun with it right all right so the next year it would have been uh the Suns versus the Knicks you know uh I’m saying the Suns would have beat Patrick y for now get Pat one man we gotta give him one for the city I’m going I’m going with my I’m going with my Nicks they would would so everybody override me on the Nick so so Pat so Pat get one right I’m going Phoenix all right so who going I’m going phix I’m I’m thinking I I think I would probably go with Pat I think I’m GNA go with Pat let’s get Pat one all right so Pat guys P gets a ring not Barkley all right all right the next the when so when Jordan came back 95 96 the Sonic would have played uh Shaq and Penny uh Magic in the finals sh Shaq and Penny I’m going pton I’m going pton k no a healthy pen healthy penny a healthy Penny healthy Penny y hold on do y’all remember km uh shrimp hershy hkin come on man remember Orlando I think were a little bit more of aure team I gotta change it I have to change it because Orlando was young and they just they had Scott Styles they had Nick Anderson had Dennis Scott you know what I think I think Grant I think that the I think the sheer Raw Talent of Shaq at that age and Penny overcomes them being that young team I I just I think it didn’t against you have to remember that they did go to the they did go to the finals so they lost to a more experienced more veteran team so that’s why I’m going way I know we’re talking about had more experience that’s why I want to believe that that Orlando would be better because he 68 point guard how hold him that’s what I’m saying the sheer Raw Talent of Shaq and Penny at that time overcomes I just watch sha [ __ ] the bed it wouldn’t be Penny it would be Shaq that’s the problem when I when I when I when you see Shaq back then [ __ ] the bed against Hakeem the way that he did I don’t have the confidence that he would have been able to do anything with Sean Ken all right so I’m going I’m going I’m going I’m going Sonic who else going Sonic I’m going I’m going magic Sonic Sonic Jay you the tip Breer you already know I’m going with the diesel Lord have mercy all right so Shaq and Penny get the ring so so then does that mean Shaq ends up Shaq at five Shaq in conversation Shaq gets five oh [ __ ] that’s crazy all right so uh definitely in the goat Center conversation because then it changes the narrative that Kobe carried him it CH it changes the whole conversation for Kobe you know that right Mel you know that big dog you know it does we’ll get there we’ll get there we’ll get there we’ll get there so so the ne the next two is against car Malone Utah Jazz they would have faced the heat the first year and the Pacers the next year I’m saying car Malone and stock and get both those Rings bike to bike back back to bike was the best team they was the best team in the league both of those years so listen Jordan they just ran into so listen listen listen to this the player that would have been affected the most by Jordan not existing in my opinion would have been car Malone because he would have ended up with three three MVPs two backto back Rings Two finals MVPs five scoring titles and before Le Brien passed him he would have been number two all time in scoring behind Kareem and you know what you know you know what the mailman would have been the goat the goat bottom line he he he’d have been a a a baby touching goat is there is there anybody else that y’all think career changes more than car Malone’s uh um you can’t let now now well hold on hold on say but listen before changed the ring uh the Lakers would have lost against the Pistons I had the Lakers winning that and that would have put Magic Johnson at six ring and and four MVP and four MVPs so does that make him the goat like I think it these things definitely change the goat conversation completely and I mean LeBron’s not even in when you think of it then LeBron’s not even in it but now Isaiah got three as well if you if you go the other way right if you go the other way Isaiah got three if you go the other way Isaiah’s got three he probably goes to the Olympic team and gets the gold medals there oh he definitely probably he probably is the greatest point guard of all time probably the greatest point guard of all time over magic oh Magic had four rings though it would be a debate though right now it is a debate now I mean I got him number two I’m not I’m not other okay you do but mainstream media Ain neither one of them ain’t neither one of them the uh nah ain’t neither one of them the greatest PG of all time just cuz they kiss before they game you know what I’m saying Noe wait so hey so Mel go go down Dominique stats if there’s no Jordan real quick well if if if if there’s no Jordan Dominique um he don’t have no rings still but he would have had four scoring titles no MVPs uh no MVPs no n Dominique wouldn’t be up there team was not good enough and and and and only Stockton only thing that changes for Stockton is the ring out two rings yeah yeah it’d probably be Carl Malone Carl Malone has the the most to gain from this I do have a question though where do you think Scotti Pippen would have gone you think he stays with the SuperSonics prob because that makes them a crazy team then probably no no no no because he might uh uh package package uh in the Super Sonics it still would have been uh Sean km team featured heavily on Gary pton we’ have never seen Pippen Sprout we’ have never seen it he’ just been the service role play now now Mel to that to that comment that was just on the screen we like we we we counting that or we just no okay I just just just had to make sure so uh straight accolades Yeah Carl will probably benefit the most and there’s argument that Carl could probably be the goat so so so Carl and then if it would have went one way magic with this six rings but if it went the other way Isaiah with this three would have had the most change I think with bird nothing changes except he has four rings instead of or four MVPs um instead of three um yeah both of them was already done winning their Rings yeah I think I think Charles gets that that that monkey office back and becomes a different person with that one ring yeah that’s possible too but I mean Charles listen the worst thing that happened to Charles Barkley is he went the uh Phoenix and seen the gorilla and said hey I could be shaped like that and then he did yeah I mean no I mean in the in the real world of course everything that happens affects everything afterward so yeah of course it would Kobe wouldn’t have been studying Michael he would have been studying everyone else and not Michael so this game would have looked different yeah in the in the real world but we don’t want to go that far I mean it’s already a hypothetical we don’t want to complicated and then and do a full butterfly effect and be like ah shoot well if Michael Jordan this well I would never have a ballhead I would probably have a toupe like I don’t want to go that far man you know I mean like you know that’s where you went that’s where you all right that Kobe combo we need to be respectful rip Kobe one of the greatest players we ever saw and we’re never going to see it again that’s a fact that’s although Kobe spent although Kobe spent most of his career being uh Robin and dis y’all want to take a phone call on this let let’s take one or two phone calls y’all let’s take one or two phone calls two phone calls yeah two phone calls this this was dope though isah car Malone with two rings and three MVPs it’s crazy so now who becomes the ring standard because now there’s nobody with six right well magic would have got six if y’all wouldn’t have overread me he would have had six but but then again listen boy I ain’t never overread you relax would y would y’all who would y’all say is the best power forall of all time would it be Malone or Duncan Duncan if so if Malone had three MVPs and two rings and number two all time and scoring is he better than Timmy D Timmy ended up with what five Timmy ended up with five no Malone if Malone is a winner and I would say even if he might have only had one title he might be greater than Tim Duncan perhaps I ref to answer that question but Timmy has no no MVPs no no no he got one Timmy got MVP got MVP so five R onep how many finals MVPs did he get he got them two he has scoring titles he’s got no like Carl Malone was that guy and I’m not saying Tim D was that’s not that’s not knocked to Tim Duncan because he played in the system and he was a system guy correct mad at that yeah the system was run I’m putting like his cache his style of play the athleticism that he brought to the game and the scoring I mean he was number two all time in scoring two that I think it does need to matter those scoring titles that he got didn’t he get how many how many scoring titles did he have Tim Duncan was not he wasn’t a big scorer you but you can’t forget the eye test though like like Tim Tim Duncan was was was a bucket purely and he you know where it was and he could always get that that mid-range that post game that was that was Tim Duncan that’s what I’m going off of is that watching car have lost that finals they should have but but he but they ran into Michael Jordan facts all right so we got funky toown on the line what’s up brother hey y’all on y’all on fire tonight appreciate it man give on that absolutely you got it hey this is a definite this is this is a this takes a super computer to try to figure out what y’all trying to do right now on I don’t think y I don’t think y’all truly understand the footprint of Michael Jordan because the NBA is GNA be behind it’s gonna be probably neck and neck with the NHL with in popularity if you if you take away people don’t understand what what he did like I mean everything the style of play why people play the way they play everything it changes no no offensive uh no no eal illegal offense because he’s not there to do it there’s no I mean this game is different the whole game is different you know Dominique hit it Kobe bran doesn’t have Michael Jordan tapes to look at in Italy to mimic his game off of he’s looking at his father’s game he’s looking at Dr J still which is still great but until you get somebody else that was filling them shoes yba as it is today it does not exist that’s a fact I’m being straight up like NBA does not exist but look but look je Jeff we know that we know that going into the conversation but we know if we be that realistic we can’t even have a conversation we just trying to have some fun no right right but I’m saying like with Malone the thing that people forget and Dominique kind of hit it just now on how they beat Malone people forget until leflop he was the number one when it came to turnovers all time see there was there was weaknesses that he had yeah he could score because he had stck in feet that’s that’s in in the style of play they play he there’s a reason Malone reason Malone know man there’s a reason alone got them got look at okay hold on hold on all right let’s do this hold on F let’s do this real quick let let’s do this hold hold let’s let’s do this really quick because Malone Malone came into the league before one year before Stockton right and then Malone was Malone was also a All-American in college I would like to see what Malone averaged in college and I would like to see what Malone average as a rookie before stockin got there and not even just the rookie his second year what did he average because Stockton was a bench R of his uh rookie season so did Malone average his rookie season and his sophomore season without Stockon who rookie the year who rookie year no just ask that question just ask that question as a matter of fact I look mean I don’t know the exact stats but I mean he was he was okay but I mean he wasn’t he wasn’t I mean he was he was a good player but he right here I got the stats right here what did he average his rookie season in his second season rookie season uh 14 14.9 points per game 8.9 rebounds per game 2.9 assists per game sophomore season 21. seven points per game 10.4 rebounds a game 2.4 assists per game okay he was already second season he was he was already he was already that dude before Stockton got there no well see if that was there was there’s one year between them right and again everything was hierarchical back then they didn’t let let rookies not every rookie got to come in and do what they wanted to do you had a veteran you were behind or something like that you had to play into a system that happened and that’s why that’s why uh stock Stockton I want to say was by the by the end of his rookie season he was the one he was running that that team well no no that’s not true that’s not true he said he said I’m hold on I’m pull up I’m I’m gonna pull up stock and stats let me let me just show you this so car Malone 20 22 years old as a rookie he was only taking he was only taking 12 shots a game averaging 15 his second year he was only taking oh he was taking 17 shots a game averaging 22 his third year when he started averaging 20 shots a game he was averaging 28 his third year right right so hold on hold on let me let me get to John Stockton let me see what year he came in right let me get the John stock and see what year he came in because I’ve done I’ve done this before because I was curious myself you yeah we definitely did it right so car Malone came in 8586 that was crazy and uh oh actually actually st came in the year before come in with Jordan didn’t he come in with Jord 84 85 right but hold on hold on started St started five games his rookie season right so he 8485 yeah he he only started five games what he do8 what he do hold on let me get let me get that he started five gam he played all 82 but he only started five right and he averaged five assists 85 86 he started 38 games so he still wasn’t a starter and he averaged seven assists right 86 87 is he started uh only two games so I mean he regress and he averaged eight assists right 8788 evening let let’s see what car Malone was doing 8788 8788 was car Malone’s first All Star uh season he played all 82 games he shot the ball 20 times a game that’s the year he averaged 27 and when M own uh points went up and his shots went up mysteriously John Stockton’s assist went up yeah so who was he feeding exactly so who who but who affected on who affected who who affected who cause car Malone already showed he was him in college and in high school when did we think John Stockton was him when he Jo was John St ever him in Gonzaga no he was never him was he ever him in school no but he was him hold on he was him to Gonzaga no he wasn’t he was was Gonzaga back then he was not that dude bro car Malone affected Stockon more than Stockon affected him as a matter of fact Carone as hold on as a matter of fact when car Malone got the ball in the post stoon got those assists and all he did was stole it in the post of Malone and Malone did a turn away fade away right that was his move right stockin got six six or seven assists uh just throwing the ball to Malone in the post that’s not him setting Malone up that’s not him that’s I’m not disag I’m not disagreeing listen I’m not it was a sympotic situation I’m not disagreeing that I’m not saying that Carl Malone was a scub all I’m saying is he had he had a partner that was made sure he was the one who got fed man he knew was make sure he got fed over everybody else on that team hey man went when John Stockton was 39 years old and Jarry Sloan had him on minutes restriction when uh Howard Isley got in the game he was feeding car Malone the same exact way how long has he been playing basketball bro I’m just telling you man I mean no again I’m saying Malone but okay look at his look at his turnovers look at who turn on Malon he probably got yeah oh he no no ain’t a problem he got a whole bunch he the NBA he he was the all time leader until the Flop that’s his knock hey hey let me ask you a question so what what did Malone do that you say is his credit and what did what did he do that you say so you saying his points was uh the credit of uh Stockon but his no I didn’t say the credit no hold on hold on I’m not trying to say that it was all because what I’m saying is the style of play that he played in he was able to he was able to to get that ball and and a lot of times he was able to be um unhindered on the post because Stockon and other players were pretty good on the outside but how but but but how did Malone how did Malone survive in high school and in college like how was he uh a not a noteworthy player before stting like was he a good scorer in college he was averaging 18 and nine in college he was okay yeah I mean but but you got to remember like he he went to what Louisiana um Louisiana Tech Tech right man hey look I’m not he go to Tech I’m not I’m not with it man but what I’m saying I’m saying that he again great player what I’m saying is if you take out Jordan like you say you just you just 97 98 you take him out yeah but then go ahead and look at some of them other years when like in when when Jordan wasn’t when he really wasn’t there what happened in the West what happened in in in in 995 when when um elijan was by himself yeah that’s that’s cause elijan is better than is better than Malone they don’t make a statement about Malone hey saying that Jordan is better than Malone or elijan is better than Malone is not making a statement about Malone they just making a statement about Hing right yeah no well not just him it was it was it was San Antonio too yeah but but but what what what was what was Malone to sh what was Malone doing to Shaq Elden Campbell Eddie Jones Nick vanel Rick Fox what was Malone doing to those guys Shaq couldn’t get past him until Kobe showed up well that’s true again at different times though that’s a different time set man but in the prime but in the what we call that that time period for his prime was 95 96 right if Jordan if Jordan is a year before he won in 91 the 92 all that that’s really we we got to say that’s his Prim right right that’s when he’s supposed to come in and run run things right well yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I agree right if Jordan if if Jordan won a 91 then 92 then that means that that a 92 should have been when Malone should have been running thing he didn’t make it he didn’t make it he didn’t make it to the finals or or a uh a West final until when hold on what’s your point what I’m saying is if if if if if he was going to be that dude it like you’re like what we we’re kind of saying then he he should have been on a trajectory like okay around 92 93 it shouldn’t have been Barkley in 93 should have been it should have been the the the Jazz and why and why you think it why you think it wasn’t the Jazz because uh the the were hella better along with some other teams so I mean what what I’m saying what does that say about Malone what I’m saying is Malone wasn’t there he was he was getting there but he wasn’t there he came out of that same dream team he got that listen the West Was So the West I’m not seeing the point you trying to make though Jeffrey I don’t see the point you making I mean Barkley got to the finals once Malone got there twice Hakeem got there twice right and then the King won I’m trying I’m trying but he didn’t have to face Jordan I’m trying to figure out what what I’m trying to figure out what point you’re trying to make Patrick Yan got there what twice well once one time he was hurt when Allen Houston and spr did it Patrick Yan got there once David Robinson before uh Tim Duncan got there zero times what okay I guess what I’m I’m trying to say got there uh zero times out of the West before uh KOB like I’m I’m trying I’m trying to figure out what your main point is against I make my main point is this all right go ahead was that guy the the the the guy that was going to be the closest thing to Jordan at the time okay that means that the league would have been focusing on him more than they were already well well Jordan was saying I don’t believe that his game would have translated to uh to success had that been had he been the had he been the the target of everybody that I don’t think he’s I don’t think he’s he’s doing what what what we’re talking about Point well he was right behind Jordan for the scoring titles uh and he was right behind Jordan for those MVPs so I mean what I mean who was the focus of the league when he behind what actually happened is not consistent with what you’re saying what it Bo what it boils down to what it what it boils down to uh funky town really is that Jordan was phenomenal and that made everybody teams try to focus on guard play uh and and right you know what I’m saying people have but but had had Jordan not played they would have been playing still deal with the big man league if you’re if you’re dealing with if if Jordan’s not there you’re still dealing with the big man League the league is not the same and all I’m saying is the the the ease at which it would have been much more difficult for him to get his game off if if he had been that focal point that’s all that’s all trying to say if if Jordan’s not there the league is no it’s still a big man League you’re still having to you’re still having to slow the ball slow it down and feed the post and and he’s he’s sharing there’s another seven-footer in there to clog up the lane for him and not no Greg O Level they’re going for somebody bigger than that because you still dealing with other big that you got like David Robinson and everything like that they had they had Mar they had Mark Eaton and he was he was a defensive player of the year a big slow big blocker but not much way off well let me say this uh uh Before I Let You Go Who’s the who was the number one on the Utah Jazz was it stockin Malone it’s no question oh was Malone absolutely that’s not even a it Malone okay so it’s safe to say that Stockton’s assist was probably more affected by the ability of Malone scoring um more than it was vice versa like okay I’m give I’mma give you 55 45 all right man all right thanks fun F do you remember our debates on that topic I do yeah yeah yeah yeah had had your mind changed a little bit on it no I told you probably the year later I understood where you was coming from while I do want Stockton to get more credit for what he was doing you your points made sense I and I you I didn’t want to say that but I get credit with hate giving this man credit all right that phone call was was both the phone calls let’s see if we get to some super chats uh did y’all enjoy that that was a good topic hey send me more stuff like that y’all you know what you know what I already got the next one you do yeah talk about what what would the Le what would the league uh how would the league be affected with no LeBron I mean that’s only fair that you go there who gets MVPs who gets the Championships is LeBron ranked over car Malone with it with with two rings if he got two if car Malone got two rings three MVPs five scoring titles um and you know it looked like he’ll be number three in scoring LeBron will be number one uh how close I mean I think I think car Malone and Tim Duncan might be close to LeBron already as it is and I think Tim Duncan might be above him but it definitely makes dunan is over LeBron now um I would argue that Carl Malone is too but obviously he didn’t win a ring and we value that right we value that on man down on this panel and I just don’t think that LeBron earned his Rings he might not have a ring if he was in the same era as Carmelo you you think he he he I think he earned that um that Cleveland ring is only one Cleveland one I’ll give Himel he is a one time champion in my eyes I just think that there were so many circumstances that people don’t appreciate it but yes he did earn it counted I count all of LeBron’s rings but I just don’t value them what about the tournament that’s man that [ __ ] is is created it was created to pad LeBron’s Legacy it was created to help the Lakers to help LeBron you know you know what you know what the n Season tournament is it’s is is when we have field day and we got them different te yeah that’s what it is all right this this will be the last call on this topic uh caller from New York shut YouTube down in the background uh so I don’t hear that Echo uh and go ahead you got 30 seconds all right I just want to say man y’all killing it tonight shout out to everybody um I want to say even though that it would have boosted car Malone up I feel like Tim Duncan still he’s missed the fundamental so he still would have been the best power forward of all time because when you look at the Five Rings everything everything the teaming like like how Mel say is about organization who could have the best team around them and make when car Malone couldn’t get that done they didn’t build team around him right he couldn’t get it done so I give the best power forward of all time to Tim Duncan hey that’s a fair you’re right I respect it only only problem is that uh man I’m the one that talk about the organization man that ain’t male that’s me bro don’t get yeah I just gave good for the call New York all right man you ready all right all right um let get to gonna take that credit too so was likeing it he said my name he said my name I’m still taking it talking about organization Mel said I sure would wait he said yep I did say that chocolate Rider with the $5 Super Chat I cannot give LeBron uh credit uh for it because it negatively impacts the NBA Doms right the public uh speaks differently about KD than him that’s true facts by that logic uh are the 04 Pistons a super team no they didn’t have three superstars in their Prime uh quick answer super I would say I I would say that the 04 Pistons are one of the top five best built teams of all time yes yeah but not a super team not a super team and it made it may they got super results but not a super team and that that 04 Championship is a top five championship in league history oh yeah no nobody thought they was gonna win nobody thought they was gonna win at all one of the easiest championships of all time by piece no I’m gonna be honest with you the two toughest championship rings was uh 99 and Co Year all right all right John Hudson Super Chat fake goat found a loophole around David Stern by doing this in free agency Chris power trade was dumped the next year uh just uh to show the difference that is all true all right um let’s get to this next topic y’all uh and it is the NBA rookie of the year so we gonna stay current um uh to the year and before we even start on it that Sixers game just uh ended and the Sixers won right so uh let’s see what the Rookie of the Year candidate had Jared McCain from duke to Dominique shagrin Jared Jared McCain ended up I like Jared McCain he’s really good no I’m talking about you don’t like the fact that the Sixers just won oh no I’m rooting I want them to win I hope they first of all I’m rooting for Britney okay so I’m on Britney’s side I want her team to win I just know that they’re not they’re so now they’re three and 12 they’re dead last they need to win they need to win nine more games to uh to be at 500 to know about me is I always Ro for the underdog always hold on the Pistons got a better record than the Sixers right now they’re sixth I think they’re sixth or seven feet in East right now listen I listen and you know charge it to my my my mind and not my heart man I just I can’t physically watch the Pistons yet I can’t but look at but look at your whole your whole on fire right now this year football basketball you got to be happy you got to start watching them I they look good I will glad basketball I will gladly sacrifice the Pistons for a lions Championship okay I get that okay the got I ain’t even mad at that hold on the Pistons got three the Tigers got four the Red Wings got eight we need one for the Lions well look the the Philadelphia 76ers look like they about to uh sacrifice NB for a healthy Allstar and Jared McCain is taking over this team man 38 minutes they putting the ball in his hand 30 points 11 for 20 field goals six of 11 three-pointers five rebounds three assists two Steals and the win right they get the win against uh Brooklyn uh 11398 so a double digit win uh Ben Ben Simmons tried to do everything he could he chipped in 26 minutes two points one for four four rebounds four assists only two turnovers and one block so uh Ben is saying Ben Simmons to sense me I know what you’re doing I know you’re I’m not gonna do it I’m not gonna do do it that’s exactly what it thought I thought G say Ben Simmons had a good game he had aadr I was like oh man Ben Sim finally hit the 20o threshold he was like no 28 minutes so T Ty Maxi chipped in 26 points in 26 minutes that back they might have to play them together in the back court even though they might be too a little bit too small they is Ben Simmons injured what what excuse are we making for him today Ben Simmons had a good game he had a good game against Charlotte uh last game man uh I mean he played I mean you gotta watch him man I I I you know I root for the I I you I root for him man but look listen this is what we here for we here for Rickie of the Year Dalton connect is balling the heck out um I thought Zack Edy was going to be in a running but there’s another rookie by the name of Wales that plays for uh uh Memphis but I gotta be honest I’ve watched only probably two Memphis Grizzlies games and I don’t remember Wells at all so I don’t know I’m just looking at his stats I don’t know if he’s really a candidate for me right now it’s between McCain and dton connect and I just want to ask y’all from based on what y’all seen who will you vote for right now connect or McCain neither the true answer is LeBron James Jr Jesus said can’t be the true answer I so I I’m gonna go again to it I just wanted to beat Jay to it I knew he was gonna say it I’m going against would probably normally say Mel just BEC so I’m going Jared McCain because I can’t believe in the Lakers actual record so how many games would they have would they actually have won if the refs weren’t cheating for them currently I’ve watched every single Lakers game and I’ve got them losing at least another four additional games than they than they have already won so I’m like yes their record is a little bit better but I don’t know I I like both of them I really but Dalton connect I think is going to win that’s the trajectory the media is calling him to win this so I think I don’t know K KIA KIA uh just came out with their recent rankings and they got him third and the reason why is yeah because dton connect just got in the starting lineup number one number two is he wasn’t having these types of games early on he just had him as as of late and McCain’s been doing it a little bit longer than him and he’s having to uh be forced to be the go-to player for the team because MB was out Paul George was out and then when Paul George and MB came back McCain was still that’s why he’s my pick so that’s why he’s my pick it’s just Philly is literally dead last so his stats and what he’s doing for the team is not lifting the team and you know but is and Dalton connect I believe he saved the Lakers ass a couple of nights ago so definitely did you know I don’t know how they’re going to view it even though Jared McCain is more important to the Sixers he’s not actually impacting yeah and I think that’s how they’ll go I think they’ll uh it’ll be dton connect and I think that jar McCain will still have the numbers but you know how they do guards with numbers you can have a lot of numbers but they’ll base it on team succcess and they’ll say well yeah these are empty stats quote unquote um so I think that if the Lakers keep having the free throw disparity that they have and dton connect keeps playing well it’s gonna be set up and perfectly designed for him to win rookie idot yeah there’s also the complexion protection situation but Jared McCain is also I don’t know if you guys watched him but he’s extremely charismatic and he’s like he’s letting people know that he’s a dog he’s letting people know he’s that Alpha so I’m I’m glad to see him in the lead and that they pushing him I mean this D this dude got multiple 30o games multiple 20o games he’s averaging 15 now he would have been starting uh from the beginning uh because Maxi uh uh he he didn’t start he didn’t get a chance to Maxi got hurt so uh if he would have been starting from the beginning he probably would be averaging 20 points uh but he’s averaging 15 points uh and uh uh Welles is averaging almost 12 and dton connect’s averaging almost 11 so right now now uh you got to be giving it to Jared McCain just you know just by by him being a number one he’s averaging more points uh but like you know they both are having like breakout you know eye popping games uh you know dton connect hitting nine threes and leading the team to a win that’s big you know so they they they both goonna be in a run I think Jaylen Wells a drop it eventually and it’s going to be a race between McCain and don’t connect but um as of right now that’s how Kia got it do guys notice anything though about those top three uh guys that are in the lead for rookie of the year there’s two things that I notice but I’m just wondering if you guys notice those things oh what is it so three they’re all um I believe and I don’t want to say this for sure I’m not sure about Jaylen Wells but I think Jared McCain and Dalton KCK are American born players and um when you take a look at their draft picks neither of them are even a top 10 uh or lottery pick that’s what I noticed they weren’t uh lottery picks Jaylen will I most of the guys who went early what were they and yeah and higher picks hey well I let zo speak on um I mean because his rookie in Atlanta I mean he’s number four re they call they call him Zach no no they call him Risa I guess that’s that you know that European thing where they just do the first four letters of the name they call him on gilber is sache sa that is zesty but we can they do it on purpose uhuh but um yeah he he he’s he has all of the tools honestly looking at him play and of course I’m not too worried about the shots when it comes to a young guy like that because he don’t even know where to get his yet you know what I’m especially on a Trey young Le team but what I do see is a willing Defender at 68 610 610 61 wingspan not super duper long arms but real active feet he stays in front of his man he helps on the weak side he can get to the cup he can pass he he’s he’s the typical Euro Wing like he he’s one of those guys and I just don’t know whether or not he’s gonna get the opportunity to show he’s a star or worthy of the number one pick with the team constructed but I like what Atlanta has done especially with Dyson Daniels uh Jaylen Johnson and then bringing in ree sh they got a bunch of uh uh mix dudes running the show down there in Atlanta serly the only one who only dark skinned brother on that starting five is Clint capella so but um yeah man I like Reay I think that it’ll take time I don’t think he’ll be the rookie of the year but I think he’ll be in the top three of this class when it’s all said and done so I’m g go ahead and give y’all the correct answer it’s don’t connect drop drop the jewel drop the jewel so for those of y’all that don’t know I’m a Jared McCain guy you know I mean it’s something about the Brotherhood uh but here’s the thing I’ve watched him huh see that sound like a damn cult it is no man the Brotherhood you it is what it is but I’ve watch I’ve watched him um I’ve watched him step up big and be a hero I’ve watched him do it and then I’ve watched him sometimes shrink himself so that everybody on the team doesn’t feel like he’s trying to take the team from them even when even when he has the hot hand and knowing n n n listen listen to what I’m saying when MB is 100% healthy and all that he’ll take a backseat to let MB get off and that’s going to cost him in the eyes of Voters and it’s going to cost uh it it’s going to cost him stats so he he’s more of a I’d rather get along with everybody right now than I don’t see I don’t seeb getting healthy bro that leg is done that that knee is done bro well you know and you know what and you know what that is that is a that is a really andb healthy that’s done he know he know he knows it man he knows it he knows he’s not the guy no more that need gone bro oh I think I don’t know n but yeah uh but but but kette has everything working for him he plays uh for the LeBron Lakers he plays uh I mean the LA Lakers I’m sorry no you said it right same thing exactly and and then he got uh by car Le he has uh uh clutch if if Dolton connect wins Rookie of the Year somehow it will enhance LeBron’s Legacy so you know don’t never forget what you already know I agree because you know he always knew that dton connect was going to be so great and we all when they asked him about him that night he he was like he was like dton connect didn’t didn’t fall to us at 17 16 other teams [ __ ] up right he already playing they just made it so big with connect and bronnie right yeah he gota he got he got to take the he got to take the uh the the light away some way somehow he did that when Anthony Davis was balling out I told y’all he was I told y’all he was nice that’s why I wanted him here I’m like man every time somebody gets some shine he want a piece of it man zo somewhere there’s some footage out there of Mikey Williams eating Jared McCain’s lunch and it was it was a game they played against each other right after uh Jared McCain got like um allamerican and McDonald’s and all that stuff and Mikey Williams didn’t and he came out there and told Jared McCain apart man and then now he’s and he’s on a podcast as recent as this year talking about it I thought that was interesting man you think you think Mikey Williams still got something left in him we’ll never know I mean we because I well if we do find out it’ll be one of the best Redemption stories because we have seen Mikey Williams go from Camp Miss first round first pick Prospect to a guy do that a lot of people don’t even know who he plays for right now I do but a lot of people don’t um he’s kind of like the John Morant of you know of his generation in a way high school gone so wrong for him you know what I mean as the trouble that he was in so we’ll never know I I think that while McCain funny that you would say I just got to alert what what they asked or after Jared McCain hit a big shot he telling everybody I’m the rookie of the year so he feels I like it I like it that’s gonna give us something to talk about because dton connect you know what I forgot what I forgot what I already knew I forgot what I already knew he was playing in John sh SL Coach K system n young fell gonna go off may maybe maybe he was just being what he had to be in college but I’ve watched him shrink but I yeah system guy the Brotherhood yeah all right you right let him Rock for Ricky year he cold all right last topic y’all let’s get it first of all I guess I guess I guess we’ll start with Jay and Chris and zo what and Dominic and Britney well you know what not male not not nine games ahead eight games ahead that’s that’s far five games ahead look like it’s manageable so um maybe I can get maybe I can catch zo maybe I don’t know but it’s not looking good for you [Laughter] boy I mean you’ve been consistently three you know points behind me Mel um honestly I would have been able to create some more separation if it wasn’t for freaking uh kingdom come over here and the Chiefs the hell you should have known not to not to pick them that week look at look at the history history bills we lost one game just one bills always beat him in the regular season that’s that’s that’s history so I should have piced I should have picked the bills like I normally do should have picked them man but nonetheless uh I’m glad I’m glad everybody picked Pittsburgh yesterday cause shees Jay what is it week 12 I’m I’m G give it to week 15 before I start designing your belt huh huh I apprciate that wait appreciate wait wait wait I damn sure got something to say about that I love how someone who’s third from the bottom it’s just not I’ll roll it now I’ll roll with it and no disrespect to zo no disrespect to zo right zo is zo has been consistently hanging in third place right yeah it’s been the it’s no credit for being number two but legit this is a twom man race right now it it is a Twan race man but J Jay been at number one since week three if if feel like he can catch me with Five Points uh then I feel like I can catch Chris if I’m three behind yeah and that’s why I said no disrespect but like we we we we normally make something I’m behind you I I was three behind you zo and now I’m two behind you Dom Redemption story is crazy Dominique went not picking anybody to being in fourth place so shout out to her cause damn you know Cory still ain’t got out the basement yet yeah Cory is done man I think yeah uh Cory and E are are this is this is the point where ESPN will have a e next to their name yeah all right so uh yeah I hate giving that update every week man but Chris keep making that graphic uh so I don’t have a choice but to give it uh but that’s the update Jay’s number one for the ninth consecutive week I don’t think it’s n hell no it’s probably it’s probably eight I think I think I had number one the first week and I don’t know who had number two the second week it probably was zo yeah I think I had one week and then just the very next game he picked I he picked right I picked wrong and he was he was back ahead so I should have never told Jay about chat G uh gbt oh is that the secret yeah Jay using yeah Jay using AI oh domic Dominique using AI as well listen and what’s crazy is I got my record so I’mma Be I’m G be completely honest I am using AI but the AI that I’m using comes after the J in my name you know what I’m saying whoever the app tells me to pick is who I pick okay wow so wait hold on you’re admitting to using chat GPT I’m not using chat GPT I’m talking about Yahoo fantasy if yah FY whatever the projection is for the game that’s what I pick and then I go back and check because what I notice little sneaky [ __ ] is that it changes so I’m like what the hell I know I picked the right team that it was projecting and I think something might happen maybe there’s an injury somehow it’ll shift and change so I have to actually check that [ __ ] every day I was pissed. comom well I’m GNA let y I was like why does this say this to lose since we all since we all lost from last night we are not we’re disregarding that now we’re moving on to Saturday uh Sunday and Monday I’m letting y’all know right now I’mma have a perfect week minus Pittsburgh it’s is gonna be fire you look like a perfect week book it because Chris is gonna take the number spot next week from Jay listen I gotta get this spot from Jay dog like I got to I got so first of all we’re gonna say that Chris is gonna take the number one spot from Jay hilarious that’s rich but before we say it we’re gonna we’re gonna say book it to that only she was the thing that’s the I say B it I didn’t say but that number one spot listen when the when it’s all sitting done that belt will be coming to me I’m G just say that Chris that’s not how M workis and are the only two lightskin on the panel today so I’m rolling with Chris that’s the belt is coming home to me oh I forgot to put the light skins up top yeah and I can’t wait for that first show after I got my belt it’s gonna be on my shoulder the whole show I can’t wait I cannot wait heard heard take a long time to hey Chris what what did he say I was I got sidetracked I’m sorry oh you ain’t hear it no say it again I said when I get that belt that first show after I get that belt is gonna be on my shoulder the whole show hold up you know Jay is capping because his whole screen looks like Jesse Smet what hey they just dropped his uh they just reversed his charges oh they uh reversed his um his uh verdict too man so oh wow uh yeah maybe he can get a job there there’s never never never never a chance that I’m gonna lose this guys I might even take a week off man for for your sake Jay I hope I hope you win it because for you to be in the league this long and then lose the league to me toward to who to who to who me you won’t hear the last of it but hold on hold on how you gonna skip over me I I I don’t even think you relevant Chris man there’s no way you can hold on to that number two spot as long as as long as Jay’s been number one I’ve been number two you’re gonna fumble success you can’t handle success you get that number one spot you’re gonna drop the number five you’re gonna do something wrong no you just you can’t handle success first off the gap between me and you is is insurmountable right now focus on catching up you you’re the you’re the type to get drunk and fall asleep on H Berry you just I mean it’s something if it can go wrong it will what if that was the case I would have fumbled second place a long time ago second place and first place is totally different and I’m one game behind I’m gonna get matter of fact this gonna be the week I knock J bck it okay here’s the thing is diabolical because M’s like practically dead last Corey and Eric have quit so Mel is last and is the week that I knock off of first place ma’am you’re using AI I don’t even want to hear your mouth you’re using AI ma’am it isn’t that a shame that you guys are losing to somebody that doesn’t even watch the damn games that’s wild I’m not losing Christopher I just asked you guys what the difference between a cornerback and real she definitely did Chris what Jay what what’s up talk to me Chris Asian them braids must be tight tonight boy your eyes [ __ ] he said it’s Chris Asian I’ve been drinking I’ve been sipping Chris listen man don’t don’t let Mr Melvin put a battery in your back man look he charging you up why did he call you that why to get in your head listen I’ve been plotting on your just call you Mr Melvin that’s what them girls in the projects be telling their kids to call uh uh uh some new stud that came through the uh beat cheeks this is Mr Mr Jay right here he coming in to fix the furnace the thermost first of all this man said furnace that what the hell is that second of all Chris he letting you charge you up man listen he he he’s got you booking it and here’s the thing and all that what what that’s gonna do is make me upset Jay Chris you don’t want me you don’t want me to start take listen you don’t want to start taking this thing serious I’ve been on cruise control the last six weeks if I start taking this serious man listen don’t forget I’m capable of a perfect sheet we’ve done that already a perfect sheet as well me too so Mel did a perfect sheat and he last he he’s third to last that man did not do a perfect sheet he switched I did do a perfect sheet I said hey I had the same game y’all had pick I said I’m changing my pick oh that’s not a per because I want I I don’t want to be three people with a perfect sheet I want to be the only one so just in case I changed it so that’s not a perfect sheet no that was perfect I only only changed it because I a’t want to be like these clowns I want to be in the same conversation means what what went final hold on time out time out hold on Chris hold on hold on hold on you’re right you didn’t want to be in the same conversation as us and we’re in the conversation for people who who may potentially win you’re not in that conversation so you’re right go all right man we moving on hey so I don’t know what show it was and I forgot I couldn’t find it I tried to get the clip of when Jay said this because I wanted to get it exactly how he said it because I don’t want him to lie like he usually do and say he said something else but I remember him saying something along the lines that Bo Knicks was probably going to end up being the number one quarter back out of this rookie class I don’t know if y’all remember that I do we all and we all laughed at him well all of a sudden Bo Nicks is I mean he he he is competing with Jaden Daniels for rookie offensive rookie of the year uh some people might think Bowers from uh the tight end from the Raiders he might be in the conversation but is that a picture of B Knicks or the russan from Rocky is that b Nicks that’s the same AI is direction from Rocky absolutely old enough to be him yeah that’s what I’m saying that [ __ ] been in college for 18 years definitely Ivan Drago but y’all it’s close well well look what the cat drug hot Dam the cat daddy drug again absolutely yeah so here’s the question who y’all who who getting y’all vote oh Jen Daniels um hey hey hey Mike real quick I appreciate that love but uh it’s a ji guys I spell my name a little different it’s j AI yeah M up there man I don’t even know how to I don’t even how to do it the streamyard changed something I don’t even know how to get back to it Christopher maybe y’all can figure it out I’m working on it I’m working on it thank you say I looked for it earlier now they moved it but Chris know is it we’ll see but Hey listen hey B Knicks I I told everybody man when it’s all said and done he’s goingon to have the best career out of this uh QB class uh but for Rookie of the Year I’m going to probably vote right now if I had to vote I’d vote for Jadon Daniels only because of uh two things one one yeah his mama and two uh hey they got a better record he’s he’s leading this team to more success okay I I I about the I by the success joint yeah but the number the number the number I mean and then the running is a little bit more of course it’s G to be yeah his mama bad uh his mama cold his mama is cold give meari Bailey mama uh now the best M right now in the in the league any League worthy Xavier worthy Xavier worthy if we talking who who he who he play for Amar Bailey man I’m sorry I’m sorry hey Zo you know I’m three weeks away from going being in Arrowhead I know you is you excited you ready to you ready to be uh in Chief’s Kingdom for real for real no it’s it’s gonna be cold man I’m actually probably gonna be miserable the whole time real question who’s the here’s the real question who picking me up from the airport tomorrow that’s the real question um both of us car we talking about that earlier oh y both go come get me that’s dope that’s my dog man green if you flying in the green man jump yeah especially with that new highway I’m there in five minutes oh easy that’s what I’m it’s like 12 but it’s way shorter than it used to be yeah better than right why Jay and Dan not why why not B Knicks uh same thing for Jay team success I didn’t know what he was going to be um I felt like he had a chance of being successful but this is Washington we talking about it’s always Washington um and that’s the only reason but man I am one of the ones who was not on uh the bonick hype train in the beginning at all like at all so I I I can admit that and I can say yo this G this kid is playing ball he is really playing ball they beat the dog snot out of my Falcons too he threw for five touchdowns against them absolutely he was balling and and and and I I got nothing to say but salute B Knicks even though I know he 35 he got a a really good 41k play and I’m sure um his wife baked cookies on Sundays listen bo b Nicks is a tall Drew breze yo that he’s he’s the only quarterback like B Knicks could have win anywhere else in the league and stun but with Sean pton he’s going to be phenomenal yeah is there anything he can do to catch uh Daniels in the Rookie of the Year race just keep winning have a better record I think I think honestly at this point that’s is this is what it’s gonna have to come down to um because they’re they’re both you don’t even have to have a better record you don’t have to have a better record because they’re GNA give him some slack because he has to play the Chiefs twice right well actually you know what wait hold on if they make the playoffs if they make the play playoffs and it’s close uh stat-wise it’s close they the TI’s going to go to B Knicks it’s going to go to B Knicks trust me this hold on I if I remember correctly though doesn’t the NFL do these Awards on both sides yeah offense and defense no I’m talking about on both conferences no now that’s baseball I think I think when they do like rookie I don’t know about the NFL but NBA when they do like rookie of the month they do it for both conferences but um now other year you get an offensive rookie year Defensive Rookie that’s it yeah well for me it it would have to be I mean obviously they’re both you know keep playing at the level they are but it’s G to come down the record for me yeah because they both the quarterbacks leading their team so I I I think they both can affect the record more but if it was like a running back I think I think a running back could probably still well the record would still matter for sure yeah I’m I’m with y’all and it might listen and it might not be either one of them who who else would it be Bowers Brock Bowers is balling or or or or Malik neighbors or uh your other boy uh KY Murray bigad receiver uh he ain’t doing nothing Marv Harrison now Marvin Harrison is actually hooping you you’re just not hearing about him yo they six and four he hooping every other game it is really inconsistent and then malag neighbors like I said is has already missed too many games I think I think he’s missing I think he’s out this week I mean I want to see who they no they got uh uh Danny DeVito Danny DeVito is the quarterback now Tommy speaking Dan Danny deito speak speaking of Danny DeVito from twins uh the New York Giants man that that uh that Jones resignment or Please Release Me I don’t think that that was his idea I think the ownership was like man we done with you no they said they said Daniel Jones came to him and ask for his release and they said that we we feel like that that’s the best you know they was already thinking it I I I know this what they said I don’t think that’s what happened I think they told him hey here listen here’s what you we want cuz remember he had a press conference where he read pretty much a goodbye letter I think I think his agent in the in the ownership wrote that together and they was like this is what you will say and this is the Rel this is what we’re going to release a week later and then we’re releasing you so it won’t look so embarrassing we would make it seem like it’s your idea right but we want you up out of here on the next thing smoking gez well well no matter what no matter what when when they announc that he wasn’t going to be the starter they they already said we’re releasing you next year so he had a he had a condition uh in his contract which most most players do that if they get hurt after a certain week on uh this year then their money the next year is guaranteed that’s what Russell Wilson had that’s why they wanted to bench him uh shamp pag didn’t wanted to bench him because they didn’t want to be responsible for the uh the next year bread but when Russell was like n they like [ __ ] it we’ll just cut you and pay the money but uh New York said nah man we not doing that yo you you’re the fourth stream quarterback and then he was just like man look I can go learn something from an organization and I tell you who ought to pick him up I tell you who ought to pick him up who you got in mind because I got a team I got a team in mind too so let’s see if we if we on the same who yeah shout out to the Brotherhood D the Rams for what was hey same state different team the ners for what well you know what you might be right might be Rock P just went down and there’s still somewhat of a chance with that division being separated by a game and he can run you don’t put your you don’t put your hopes and dreams in Daniel uh Jones no you you put him behind Matt Stafford and and and shine MCV and allow him to be under a good Learning Tree I think I think there’s something there he’s athletic enough to have something in the tank the Giants is just damn dumpster fire for a quarterback uh who who don’t know nothing period we we’re we’re seeing a lot of resurgence in these quarterbacks that we thought were busting trash like uh Sam darnold having his Resurgence in in Minnesota um and see I would take I would take Shanahan too because Shanahan and McVey can build a quarterback that’s what they do well but I think as far as like some something he could do now I think San Francisco would be San Francisco maybe Vegas that’s that’s the problem with San Francisco because you don’t want him to do anything now except for have a clipboard and get a visor get get a little earpiece in him and let him listen to the offensive coordinator you don’t want his jersey to be dirty anymore this year you want him to learn you want to fix him you can’t fix him by putting him back on the field you you fix him by having him study goodness to study what what what a professional looks like and Matt Stafford no matter uh what you think of him what you should think very highly of him is a professional he’s a professional he’s the perfect quarterback to go learn from 100% I agree however and he’s on the and he’s on the um Aon Roger side of his career but I’m thinking as far as immediate impact what team needs a quarterback needs a starting level quarterback regardless if you don’t like him or not he was a starter for for for six years if if the if a team if a team need a starting level quarterback and they go get Daniel Jones they still need a starting level quarterback yeah exact exactly start we said the same thing about Sam D Sam D wasn’t even the starter and C because JJ McCarthy was gonna start JJ who fixed him who fixed him Shanahan fixed him they they didn’t play him they fixed him no because they got him midseason I don’t no no no no he was there all he was there the whole off season last year he he spent the whole season there last year Shanahan fixed that man he even played him in week 17 last year you mean to tell me that Sam darno learned from Brock pie no he learned from Shanahan where really Mike Shanahan that that Shanahan system like it’s E I ain’t gonna say it’s easy but that’s the same system that Matt Ryan won MVP in like if you get it then you’re gonna have it it’s it’s really really quarter and z and Zimmer is running a a a a he’s running a disciple of that is the West Coast offence something that you can adapt to on a fly like this like if they picked up uh Daniel Jones like right now I mean because I know he need a offseason he need the offseason to get the terminology and the call because I know when Vic showed up with the Philly there for E I don’t know if they was running like really the West Coast but Andy Reid was there and Vic had to sit behind naab for like a year Well Michael Vic never studied a Playbook when he was in Atlanta that’s true so I mean he had to learn really just learn he he he did what he did in Atlanta off him athletic ability and just playing Raw Talent so him having to do that I think it had that had a lot to do with it plus you know he he he was he was up the road for a little while too he had to get all of that back you know sure see the difference between like uh Shanahan and McVey and Reed is Andy Reid can’t fix a quarterback but he if you are if you are a service a quarterback he can get it out of you he he can’t fix you though he he too old school he not gonna waste time fixing you he’ll sayc Vic that was the best Vic ever been he didn’t fix Vic VI Vic Vic wasn’t broke he didn’t fix Vic he again he didn’t even fix he didn’t even fix Alex Smith what he did was got the most out of you he don’t fix you because when Alex Smith left and read Alex Smith the same Alex Smith that you seen in San Francisco show back up in Washington he just he just knows how to use what you have that a that ain’t Fair he got hurt in Washington believe that man all right let’s get let’s get y’all picks real quick man then we’ll end the show man uh just just what’s going on this week as a matter of fact somebody pull up the U week 12 for us got chis you got it you got it all right all right we hey hey this what we G to do y’all we G to do this uh every show we gonna let Dominique pick the pick live uh and we GNA go with that I I think I think it’ll be good for for the for the basketball person to pick all the football stuff I think that’d be fun week 13 right now or pick week 12 but we’re not applying those to our pick thems right no no no no no no no I just I I just think it’d be good to get it on record just to you know just to see how how many she can get yeah all right so obviously bronze and Steelers played last tonight uh to kick off week 12 uh Browns pulling out the wind and the snow uh so on the Slate for the rest of week 12 uh Lions visit the Colts you got Dominique Lions Colts let me check no no no no no don’t think it’s not gonna be it’s not gonna be fun if you actually think I just want you to just pick just B I have the that’s Chris’s team so the Lions there you go hold on hold on Su I think they lost every game this season so far all right Don Lions all right go go keep going Chris all right um and then we got Buccaneers Giants okay um I’m gonna go with the Buccaneers bucks that’s not a bad pick I’m going with the books too I mean it’s the Giants Giants are playing bad Seas yeah but Danny DeVito might have something on his sleeve though but we’ll seeo yo that little short ball dude playing quarterback always it’s always Philadelphia Sunny in Philadelphia hey y’ gota see that episode when he put them skinny jeans on though uh all right so got the that one then we got we got uh Chiefs Panthers come on I’m gonna go with Chiefs because Panthers I think they won one maybe two games something like that maybe three maybe three three three I’ll be there um all right uh Cowboys commanders uh commanders all right easy that was uh Patriots Dolphins that’s a tough wait who’s where are they they’re in Miami Dolphins okay all right uh Titans Texans um I don’t even know who the Titans are um Texans yeah Le you right you’re not the only one where where are the Titans located Titans where Tennessee you said yeah yeah all right uh Vikings Bears um [ __ ] Chicago or Minnesota where who’s who’s Home Chicago um okay I’m going to go I’m going to go with the Bears o probably a hot take I I probably think the Vikings like if I’m looking AI probably has some winning so I’m gonna change it the Vikings the Vikings it’s very possible you gonna switch it to the Vikings oh you switching yeah she’s switching yeah yeah all right who we got Chris all right Broncos Raiders um Broncos okay is that because of OJ or no um it’s because I don’t think that the Raiders are playing that well this season from what I can remember but I probably am remembering a different team that I don’t really know who I’m talking about so not every year every year that that ends with a number you can say I don’t think the Raiders are playing well in this every last one of them I just every time I picked them I’m pretty sure that they’ve lost so I’m just gonna go opposite Raiders yeah so they even lost a game at home that I picked them to win so I’m disappointed in them so here here’s a good one uh with the the announcement that Brock py is gonna be out uh Niners Packers and Green Bay uh Green Bay I really need the ners to beat them though but that’s selfish reasons choose choose the ners then Chris I can’t I can’t I did was you huh I choose a n i was you n um you see how you see how isting your head like that with you I’m just trying to work on my man that’s all listen listen before chose the ners before we came on the show we didn’t even know who uh Brock py backup was I think it’s Josh dos so he’s gonna win that game yeah i’mna win winning um yeah Packers so all right so uh Cardinal Seahawks Seahawks that that’s that’s a uh that’s fight for first place actually I I have the Seahawks for that one you wrote that down maill yeah I mean it’s recording so I ain’t really got to write it but uh and night is Eagles Rams um I’m going Rams on that one but I influence pick I picked I’m definitely I’m going eagles they have saquan Barkley and that’s it um the only football player that I know that’s not that’s not a bad pick man all right man I appreciate all of y’all for tuning Ina whoa Monday night dog oh who you at Monday night Ravens Chargers one probably one of the best games this week I have the Ravens winning okay there you have it there it is have it Dominique real quick though um Dallas is playing Denver jic is playing Luca is not playing yeah W without Luca Dallas beat Oklahoma semi Thunder bro my my tongue is so TI tired right now it’s that p man trying to speak P no no I think zo is the only one that can do it but uh Dallas beat OKC Thunder without Luca yeah if they beat Denver without Luca but you do have to remember who the Thunder didn’t have that night to J Homer still still right if they beat Denver without luga which they’re winning 20 to 15 team right now would that change anything in your mind about this team or how I mean no not at all no okay Dallas yeah a team can be more cohesive without Oh I thought you meant Denver I thought you were talking about like what does this mean about yic no just no Just Dallas I mean it they clearly play better without Luca hello yeah yeah it’s confirmation of what we already know it ain’t GNA change for us it might change for some people but we just like the Lakers play better without you know who yeah they definely play they do they definitely play better without brny and cam R I’m just saying they’re more free they move the ball more they’re making better plays they’re they’re just playing better basketball without LCA Don and they’re playing defense right and you have all five people on the floor contributing to that and that makes a big but they can’t they can’t navigate through the playoffs without Luca though because Luca is the star that’s going to get I mean star calls is a huge deal in the playoffs man and um and U so you’re gonna need that uh to get the favor a little bit I mean so they can’t go nowhere without him are they going to get far with him given his behavior toward the officials last last year and how they treated him in the end so are they going to hold that against him throughout the playoffs and force them into a first round knockout if they don’t if they can’t earn it if they can’t blow a team out do you think that they’re going to be working uphill or Lucas still has that favor or you I mean some some some would say if if you hold a honey bun against them you have a Danish but I I mean it it it I mean I don’t know man if it’s the Mavericks vers Denver because I think it depends on who they face right so you know you’re gonna have unathletic Euro playing against each other potentially in the first round imagine if Denver faces off against the Mavs you know like who the refs are going to roll I don’t think the refs Are Gonna Roll in Luca’s favor I think they’re gonna go with yic yeah I think I think last year was his yo I’m ready to go hey shout out to doque for holding that down and getting through that Dominique you are a true professional that’s why that’s why you on the squad in the first place but it’s time to go did y’all hear this man just all right oh make sure y’all hit that like button comment subscribe share do all of this uh if you Our patreon member make sure you hit the post game I don’t know what what is in M’s cup but he don’t need to have it no more so I don’t even know what Mel said it’s all that Patwa he’s practicing tonight said I’m like okay I’m just gonna keep you know my take going through my take I don’t know this man tweaking this man said if you you he be Danish listen that’s not how desserts work that is not that will never be a Danish ever that’s just 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