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[Music] this episode of the Patriots postgame show is presented by DraftKings this is the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings first down more dive to the end zone touchdown Patriots join the conversation by calling into the TPX hotline at 855 ps500 or email the show at podcast patriots.com off the Stevenson runs it left big hole across the 40 Cuts left at the 45 and steamrolls the defender there live from our Studios inside Gillette Stadium here’s Matt Smith and good afternoon Patriots fans uh Matt Smith with Paul pillo and Mike too here from our Studios at Gillette Stadium in foxer Massachusetts where the Patriots have just wrapped up a 40 to7 thumping they were the thump e Thump by the Los Angeles Chargers 40 to7 in a game that wasn’t that close Patriots now dropped to 3 and 13 on the year and firmly sconed at the number two slot for the draft for those who that matters to you the charges with today’s impressive win are now in the playoffs uh 855 Pat 500 is the number we do want to hear from you and you can please email us at podcast patriots.com let’s go Around the Horn uh for a little instant analysis I’ll start on my right Deuce how bad was it uh I think this was Rock Bottom I know we we had some debate about when can rock bottom be and you know when can you properly assess when Rock Bottom is unless you began the upt back but you know I don’t know what next week’s going to mean but it’s hard to see it it being worse than this this was uh non-competitive I mean you just you had no answers for the Chargers offense he forced them the punt once and then they scored seven St straight drives uh the offense couldn’t move the ball uh you had one throw from Drake May that he kind of tossed up in a penalty situation a free play if you will and really other than that that was about it so I just uh thought about this game a lot in the spring in the summer as when the schedule came out could they could they be competitive here these were the games that we thought we wanted to see some signs of life that you could carry over into next year there’s none of that uh there’s really just just nothing really to take positive from this game at all I’ll add one little thing before I hand it over to my friend here to my left after the Buffalo game and they weren’t World beaters in the Buffalo game but there was Signs of Life in the Buffalo game there was competitiveness to say that today was a step back is a grotesque understatement yeah grotesque understatement and I mean I think it’s been a lot like that this year where they’ve had a game with some positives and then they’ve stepped back and had a terrible game I think this has happened a few times this year look this is who they are I mean this is this you know like you can talk about a couple games here where you were reasonably competitive But ultimately those were the games that were the the the you know the the uh I’m missing the word of what I’m trying those are the games that are against what they really are Paul I just I’m so mad I’m getting uh losing track my words but those are the outliers this is the real team they just they don’t have the horse especially on defense I mean it’s just there’s nothing going on there on the defense nothing Paul want to challenge any of this no not at all I think you guys are right and I I would just say like at this point they’ve played 16 games and this sounds really harsh and and it is I don’t I like I but I just think that when the outlier as Mike called it last week like I’m sorry I I’m going to Chuck that up to the other team more so than anything you like did they play that much different today I don’t know maybe maybe you know like Matt asked me was we were coming in um Mike just sort of was this a a tough one for the they’re playing for their coach they’re playing hard for their coach like I don’t know like I I I think guys are trying I I think there’s effort out there I think they’re outclass most weeks um and the Chargers came to play today the Chargers were sharp and and I thought offensively they kind of surprised me a little bit in that you know Herbert throws the ball 38 times in basically three quarters he didn’t really play in the fourth quarter I think he was out of the game with 11 minutes left and I I I look at them as a little bit more of a conservative approach but they changed some of the things that they do today and uh I I think when the other team plays well the Patriots don’t have a lot of answers so like to me the biggest difference between this week and last week Chargers wanted to the Chargers played well and the bills didn’t and I know that sounds really harsh but that’s how I feel well we said before the Buffalo game that you know human nature would be and when they were in tough road games in LA and who was the other Road game that they had prior of the Patriots game that they W well they played San Francisco on a sunay a Sunday night game in the snow then they had the game against the the Rams that was a shootout and then they had the Lions game that was a shootout like you can’t play at that level every week correct you know and so that that showed you know khil Shakir has a chance to catch a touchdown in the end zone goes off his hands they didn’t go off their hands today yeah you know makoni caught it Johnston caught it the first drive they had two they had two drop which was the only reason why theyed two out of the three plays that forced the you know like they got a first down and then they didn’t get the second first down when two out of the three plays would Dro passes one by Johnston one by m uh makoni right and the rest of the game they were sharp you know you know maybe Herbert missed makoni on another touchdown that he could have had uh later in the game but by that time the game had long since been decided and the Patriots had nothing no answers at all offensively they couldn’t move the ball at all this is going to be a tough one to sugarcoat Patriot fans we’ll do our best to try to get through this uh Fred kers will join us later on but I’m sure he’ll come up with the Silver Lining we’re going to kick things off with some historical precedent with The Good the Bad and the injured now it’s time for the good pretty good it’s pretty pretty pretty good the bad hey what happened and the injured ah you are right hey G okay Paul I’m waiting on it you got me hooked so I would say that my good list only consists entirely of a play or two here or there yeah me too um I didn’t really have any anybody or anything on the good list which is that’s the pre precedent that Matt is is talking about I’ll just say that um Drake May uh to Mario Douglas you know for the touchdown was a good play by both guys uh it was good recognition by the quarterback to know we had a free play good adjustment by so he just he just threw it up for grabs and Douglas makes a really nice adjustment makes a nice play on the ball for a touchdown yep that’s the best I can give you yeah like that’s it yeah the only positive checks I had and I’m not saying these are good lists but I just I had a check next to anony Jennings he had a run stop and I had set an edge and I had a tackle for loss for Isaiah Balden those were two plays when it was still competitive that just stood out to me uh but that was it those were the only two I got what do you got Paul 3329 I said 33 physical 29 flashed but they were both individual plays that’s all that was the only uh positive checks I had once you got into you know kind of garbage time or where the game complexion suddenly changes and you know it’s a lot harder to give out pluses when you’re chasing and you know it’s just different game yeah so yeah I got nothing and I don’t think we should be surprised about that like let’s again I said let’s not sugar coat it we can’t sit here and just sort of fabricate plays or players in this game this was an abject stinker yeah across the board absolutely so with that being said I leaned left on the good we’ll start the bad to my right Mike and my guess is no one spared no I mean it’s just really a question where you want to start um I I think to me like look it was disappointing at the beginning when they were just giving up I think it was three straight scoring drives you know at the beginning but after the May touchdown you know you just you felt a little bit like all right like maybe they stem the tide maybe 177 maybe May going out with the concussion that rattled the team and now they’re you know it’s 17-7 now and and May and that was when the defense just allowed them go you know like not only do you allow a fourth down conversion then you allow then freaking uh what’s his face ngak takes a a personal penalty that gives him 15 yards you know just to allow a score in that situation it’s just like we can’t win we can’t do anything right even when there’s a small bit of posit positivity for the team the defense goes right back out there and watches them go right down the field takes a stupid penalty to give them extra yards to make sure that they make the field goal so I know the defense was overall horrible today and we can you know point out any which way you want but to me that was like just the almost unforgivable part of it right there was the offense gave you a brief moment to maybe make a stop and to give them a chance to come out at the start of the third quarter and go down and score a touchdown and it’s 1714 nope wasn’t meant to be not only did they let them go they took a penalty along the way I thought that was the part to me that was just really really aggravating yeah I would agree um th% with Mike you know and I didn’t think there was much of a chance but you know you get a play and you know I I immediately looked at Mike and Evan I said oh 124 left like I cuz I had this whole thing I was joking it was 17 nothing I was like all right you take over with two and a half minutes left here we go double score get yourself right back in the game get back within a score you score here get the ball coming out in the second half well they scored and I looked at the clock and I said there’s still 124 left they’re going to give up points and they did and and Mike is right like they’re on the edge of field goal range but inak has got to get a a rough in the passer call which was completely unnecessary like totally totally unnecessary and you make it a you know a much more makeable field goal which he just barely made he just squeaks it over the over the upright maybe if it’s you know 15 yards might have made a difference so yeah I thought that was a key juncture in the game I I focus specifically today um the secondary was really bad I I just thought there was a wide open receiver on virtually every play and sometimes may um Herbert went in different directions with the ball but for the most part he was picking out where he wanted to throw and Crossing routes were a problem seam routes were a problem uh deep deep slot Fades were a problem Concepts but can I in all and also look at how just look at how open these guys are when you when you start to watch some of these plays it was just I another I don’t want to let the DBS off the hook here Paul but is it tough to cover when Herbert does not need to get his uniform clean today I mean there was no and I was really surprised when I see the games at on the NFL Network at one o’ I know that Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth aren’t doing the game and so there was a obvious bias there I thought Chris roseen and U Ross Tucker you guys are in the Press Box they did a really good job Tucker early on in the second quarter was incredibly Frank he goes they’ve got the worst wide receivers in the league they’ve got the worst offensive line in the league you don’t generally hear a network uh analyst call out a team like that early on after the second series he goes look at the pass protection he goes the Patriots can’t get a lick of a rush on Paul’s right about the defensive backs but when you hear coaches talk about marrying up the rush in the coverage there was no rush so here’s the thing they don’t have any pass rushers they can’t win one-on-one they’re supposed to have guys in the secondary Fair yeah and and by the way this was the case before Gonzalez got hurt so I don’t want to hear that yep Gonzalez got beat on a fourth down Crossing route just like everybody else did Jonathan Jones if I had to pick out one guy who struggled the most today Jonathan Jones lean on him as a guy to look for in in the pregame show just look at this separation yeah well I mean we were that’s a fourth down play yeah I mean we were like you’re supposed to be in this in his pocket there no like that’s just too easy and I know he’s sort of like passing him up get it’s Fourth Down right you know if they show this uh look at nobody near Herber but look at how look at how open yeah I don’t care if you have a guy in his face that’s still a touchdown uh th this network here had a great replay on this particular touchdown guys I don’t know if you have it it’s the all 22 look by any chance where they show the defensive back sort of try to pass that off oh yeah and to Dugger and Doug dug is supposed to be over the top for help there and he’s he’s missing he’s not at all this say good an it’s Jonathan Jones it’s um Christian Gonzalez it you know it it’s not just like Isaiah Balden in Alex Austin right then I would say you These Guys these guys are pressed into duty they they’re trying to learn their way this was widespread everybody was involved today the safety struggled the corner struggled the pass rush struggled but the pass rush isn’t isn’t there they don’t have anybody that can rush the passer even when they tried to scheme things up though Paul they couldn’t get close yeah I mean no but until the game was out of hand they don’t get any pressure no like that’s not they didn’t get any pressure last week they didn’t get any pressure this week they haven’t gotten any pressure since week one nope they they just they don’t really have the the pass rushers to impact the game yeah and I think it you know like the one game that they got pressure was against Caleb Williams and here we all said in the pregame show well here comes Harbaugh big tough guy big 10 you know coach who’s going to want to run the ball and the elements and everything like that he laughed at him I don’t need to run it today I’m going to throw it down your throat was it 38 um pass Herbert threw 38 passes I I believe and he was out of the game with it was taking candy from a baby when you threw they could have and I actually they R for 147 yards too oh yeah no they ran it too but but they they kept running on early downs and like Evan and I were looking was like feel like they could run like an 11 yard Crosser on every play if they wanted to but they kept sort of setting up you know second and eight you know third and five and then they would get it I mean at one point I think we calculated they were 10 for 15 on third down and two of those fails on third down resulted in fourth down conversion so it was like 12 for 15 on on third down they just had no answers defensively nope uh all right is there as we’re picking through the rubble here and it is Rubble is there anything other that we want to talk about uh on the bad list as far as individuals I mean I think defensively they were bad offensively they were bad just I thought like short yardage run defense was particularly bad like I think like I didn’t think Dobbins had a huge game you know I think his average per carry was pretty modest but anytime it was short yardage they weren’t just getting it they were getting like five yards yep you know and that’s there was one that he that he sort of bounced outside and it was like there’s nobody there you know third and two they’re like caving down the whole side of the line for an easy 10 yards um just just really bad I mean you just 23 minutes 20 seconds time in possession in the first half 23 20 to 640 they ran 15 plays offensively in the first half which was a league low in The Last 5 Years that’s a great stat that’s a great stat Matt I mean that that’s like just to illustrate total dominance 249 to 91 right um 18 first downs to five and out of those five first downs two of them were were on penalties um here’s one who leads the league in horse callers I don’t know just so you know least three that they’ve called on the Patriots like that’s a tough that’s a tough call to make it doesn’t Happ I thought you talking about Keon white cuz Keon white I think is the guy who leads the Le got to Le the league but I I will say this and I I want to be fair had one as well John Huss is the worst referee in football and I know I I attack the referees every week he has no control of the game he’s constantly adding more time on the clock he’s constantly stopping the game and the horse caller was horse crap it was not a horse caller tackle he calls it from 25 yards behind the play I Can’t Stand John hussy when I when I saw him today I said to myself add 15 minutes onto the game because he’ll lose control of it at some point and sure enough he’s calling horse caller tackles in 30p point games from eight miles away he grabbed him by the back but he didn’t pull him down yeah like I just want to be fair about it like we beating the crap out of the team and we’re calling them undisciplined and stuff that wasn’t horse that wasn’t a horse caller tackle yeah John hussy Fred’s guy now Fred’s taking his Victory lap for lad makoni today oh jeez he was just out there talking him hyping him up a little lad gave him a game that Thanks for believing in me Fred did did Fred take it away from his aunt was that his aunt that’s what they said on did they say that yeah I figured it had to be someone the Chargers don’t have fans there’s a lot of people here rooting for the Chargers good Hustle by the um CBS crew who’s doing the game for NFL Network good Hustle by the camera person they gave the person credit for going to find that out all right Fred strapped it on and he’s in who you want to uh do you want to challenge any of the um the dreary analysis that we have so far well I haven’t heard anything it hasn’t been good no I can’t imagine it would be we didn’t really have anything for the good list other than like Paul Paul believes that that’s a first I I don’t think I’ve ever had nothing that I said was good today yeah I mean the pop catch was good but you good adjustment yeah and that was it like we’re talking about individual plays yeah early Jennings was on a good Trend we we all had the same the game but everything coll made play yeah everything collapsed you remember the Isaiah Balden one yeah evidently he missed that one so Fred my job’s not to rank them where would you rate today and Regency bias certainly uh doesn’t help but this has got to be the worst um Mike said low point of the uh year Rock Bottom the candidates are at the Jets at San Francisco yeah against Jacksonville and London at Arizona and today I think a lot of those to me were just as bad if not worse this one I mean let’s face it I I’ve clocked out you know we were talking on Patriots unfiltered over the week at this point like do you really even want to win um oh yeah no we we talked about it how about how about how about do you want to compete jarring coming you want to compete no I I that that was disappointing the the the competition was just Dreadful you know defense all year like I got a lot of uh posts about you know how come they could do well against Allen and they couldn’t do anything against Herbert I don’t know the answer to that except that maybe Gonzo went out early because early you saw Herbert having a lot of time wasn’t until the second quarter but having having to throw it away a lot you know what early yes he did yeah he did FR he didn’t he never had to throw the he threw the ball away like three times in the game right early no you’re no I I didn’t not believe that we could possibly have a disagreement in this game but he had two incomplete passes in like the first like half they both went through his receivers hands early on the the coverage the was not good the coverage was not good a single play in this game okay it wasn’t it was terrible and by the way Gonzalez was part of that early on the fourth down Crossing route to Johnston is wide open okay so I’m sure there were those but the early on there were plays where he had tons of time and nobody was open he threw the ball to a guy who was open like when when did he throw it away early in the game he threw a couple away at the end of the first half he threw field goal two out two out of theend of the end from the 20 y from the 20 Y Line with 11 seconds he threw one in the over the sideline that no one was open again because of the clock he couldn’t throw the ball in the middle of the field because the clock would expired this is way before the end of the half Mike please jump in well I was going to jump in to just tell Fred this please jump in I see your face one of the things that Paul said that I think makes some sense if you look at it contextually last week against Buffalo with the bills coming off a couple of high powerered high offensive wins natural let down and maybe they weren’t going on all soers that could be possible yeah sure and and that’s why the defense looked better I don’t think there was that much of a difference I really don’t the other team just played well today Chargers were good with the Chargers needing the win and playing well the defense got boat raced as uh that was a boat race today they got boat raced no doubt but I’m just saying that things just got progressively worse as the game went on right you know yeah I they scored on every drive like I just this is what I don’t get except for the first one right because they they dropped two passes on the first drive okay all right right Mike I’m with Paul on this one for Quinton Johnson dropped an easy out right through his hands and then makoni had a little slot fade that went right through his hands well he had it withjust on it but anyway okay drop passes two yeah they then scored Mike on how many drives in a row seven seven possessions in a row they scored after that and some of those some of those drives were 11 play 91 yards 12 Play 67 yard 10 plays 94 yard it was just these are seven of the first eight drives of the game the original question was why did they do better against Josh Allen than this week right and you know that’s the only thing I could come up with is that you know Gonzo got you know was out early and I think it would best coverage guy without question and it would have been better if Gonzo plays four quarters that I wouldn’t I wouldn’t argue with but I don’t think that they had any periods in this game where they struggled offensively hear you on the you know I clocked out I know you don’t mean that literally but I understand what you’re saying I kind of think he does no because like it’s hard it’s hard to at this point get excited to be to be like crazily disappointed right but with they’re three and 13 but I’m looking at a stack 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 nine 10 emails which we’ll get to the compete level today and I think that’s where fans are going to have a real problem with today is that they were outclassed right out of the shoot well lining up because they want to you know a lot there’s intention behind this okay you know pointing out to compete y because they want to make the point that the team has the team is clocked out and that’s an indictment on the coaching now here I’m going to go with Fred on this and they want the coaches gone right yeah and I think I and I again I’ll repeat what I said that Matt just paraphrased I know it sounds really harsh I don’t think there’s a huge difference between how they played last week and this like the result are obviously different yeah I think it’s all about the other team it could be I think when the other team plays well they’re powerless to stop it but here’s the thing like I I am under No Illusion that this is a good team or even a middling team they’re a bad team and everyone and you’re going to get blown out in a season when you’re a bad team especially at the end of the season when the other team has something to play for right and is a good team and you don’t right yeah you’re going to get blown out that’s what happens in the NFL we’re now a bad we’ve been not just recently we are a bad team so that’s why I’m saying I’m not like I’m with you overly disappointed I’m with you Fred um I was a little surprised because I didn’t think the charges were quote unquote that good okay so I’ll say that Chargers impressed me today I thought the Chargers looked really good today yes now I will say Herbert played well today yeah I thought he was really sharp and I I I would say that one of the differences today that was a change is like you know a couple of oh by the way scores at the end for the other team and you didn’t get the old by the way scores that you have been getting like the Arizona game was really close to this except for the Patriots scored two touchdowns in the fourth quarter do you know what I mean like they had three points with 10 minutes left in the game yeah right um here’s one that um we’re talking in generalities as well we should because I think that the blanket can be widespread on both units offense and defense what do we think about the quarterback today well I was going to put him on the bad list um and that’s more deservedly so because and for me it’s just it’s getting yourself hurt on the third play of the game and this is something you need to learn from and I mean not even really talking about his Play It’s just he has to be smarter than this it already happened to him once he wasn’t going to pick up the first down I mean he had already stepped out of bounds when he took that hit so you know for me that’s the biggest thing I talked about want to see Drake May improve Drake May making strides well this was an error repeater to me and we’re lucky that he was able to come back in the game because I think we all thought oh great there goes Drake We’re going to you know have to watch jacobe brette play again for another game I just look his play his play wasn’t great in this game either but I I just put it almost entirely here on this first play where he’s got to be smarter he’s got to take care of himself he’s got to know when to give himself up and when to when to try to get this he actually tries to spin back and I know I mean I respect that he’s a compete kid but like learn to pick your battles here’s the I think May did have a bad game but a lot of it was because of Jim Harbaugh Jim Harbaugh is a really good coach he’s playing against a rookie quarterback with who and he knows that he that rookie quarterback has a bad line and he knows how to make you look bad he’s he’s a good coach and I think that’s part of it so I think that’s a really good point Freddy because look like contrast what Buffalo did last week I thought Buffalo just went hellbent for leather after him right from the first right from the first snap Harbaugh didn’t do that today no Harbaugh picked his spots he confused him and he heated them up when he needed to and he made him look really bad Evan was talking some of those key plays Evan was talking about they were receivers there and that’s why I would I would agree with Fred and Mike I would have may on the bad list too I thought there were plays to be made and he got affected by the rush on those big plays a little like little hot route to the receiver on a fourth and two that he ran and got the there was the big sack that went like 15 yards backward um so I think that’s a really good point about harball like I don’t know if it’s Jesse Minter or whoever gets the credit for it but their game plan was much more effective than Buffalo’s last week oh yeah in terms of like affecting May with the pressure as opposed to just putting Buffalo had Conant pressure on May last but this week I thought it led to bad plays by May and you and then you get behind early and you’re passing all the time and you know yeah right but having said that the fourth and two play inexcusable to take a 20 yard loss on that well I mean I don’t care about the like it’s you can’t get sacked you got to throw the ball to somebody on four throw it away throw it away and throw it long and make it a punt and The razzled Dazzle hope they pick it off I don’t know what anybody knows uh what’s going to happen hear some excuses I guess coming out of the locker room on what happened on that play but that just that’s you can’t make that play on in week what is this week 17 yeah and I think the play was supposed to go to Demario Douglas but I don’t know this for sure um but it also looked like May was trying not to pitch the ball at the last second like he didn’t like it like the timing or the spacing was off I think they were trying to get the defense to flow with Stevenson on a traditional pitch out but they were going to come back the other way on like a almost like a trap to Demario Douglas and the timing was off but the fumble like just you can’t do that can’t fumble there you know and I I I watched that play over and to me it looked like Hunter Henry flashed in front of him and that screwed him up like he saw the player and it’s like oh it and it screwed up all the timing of the play that could be too you know right we saw a early snap by uh Cole strange in his first game he snapped the ball over the tackles weren’t ready weird and that just again it just looks bad it looks really bad um Paul you mentioned his name Fred I’m going to ask you first I’m surprised strange played the whole game by the way um pregame reports were that Gerard May didn’t play any snaps Gerard Mayo did a pregame interview with Scott zolak like he does every week on the radio for 985 and he said that Gibby’s gonna start today and rre Stevens the what’s gonna start Gibby what’s the Gibby oh gibon Gibson okay Gibby’s gonna start today and he didn’t and he did yeah much to do about nothing or I no I mean if you’re head coach before the game minutes before the game says one player is going to start and he doesn’t start what the hell’s going on with that yep so can I just ask who didn’t get the memo can I ask you the timing of the interview as someone who’s uh Zak usually I could say this because Zak comes by my office he usually drops his wagons says hi you know and and he’s waiting for Stacey at some point time that interview is done sometime between 10:30 and 11 so it’s not like that the interview took place like Friday afternoon like 90 minutes before the game you’re SE so there’s nothing that happen to Gibson in the meantime yeah I mean Gibson was in no I know I know but like you know I maybe he was late getting here or something be something right yeah could be something but it was weird it was weird that’s odd yeah it’s very odd to me I agree with Fred me too uh can I call out one other play m i and I Mike you can do whatever you’d like I hesitate to put Hunter Henry on the down list but just to come out in halftime in the very first play of the third quarter to draw a holding penalty like it just carried over all like negativity from the first half and I don’t want to kill Hunter Henry because he’s been he’s probably been their best player he’s been their best player consistent offensive player but it’s just an they have a knack for just horribly timed penalties when you know the team is kind of hanging on the ropes and they need to stack a few plays together to get going and then somebody they had every sniff of getting back in they needed a when you’re a bad team and every possession is precious there’s no good time for a penalty yeah that’s true they all seem bad because every every Drive is precious to this team they can’t afford any I didn’t get a good look at that was that another hussy special I didn’t get a good look at it either that’s why that’s why I don’t want to kill Hunter Henry for it um I didn’t get a good look at the replay so but Mike I’ll just I wrote down this so kudos to you for picking out on the player and starting it right out of the shoot three and out that to me and and certainly the penalty doesn’t help but you’ve got a little bit maybe a sniff of momentum you know by scoring and you get the ball back you’ve held them to a field goal to go into the lock room and you go three and out it’s just I mean that’s what bad teams do when they’re a bad team yeah it’s it’s not quite as bad as when you know you have your opening script and you spend all week on you know whatever the opening set of plays is that you really feel good about that you think you can get their defense on and you know so it’s always really disappointing you you have opening half scripts too yeah well and that’s well that was my next point you know that that was a play that they’re talking about like hey this is going to be a drive starter for us let’s you know get get what was it Rand in space and get holding pen and so it’s just back to zero no but you know I I go back to where I started it is what it is it is what it is I’m not losing sleep over this I’m you know they they they got pasted by a better team we stink and we need to make a lot of changes in the offseason yeah I just think it’s the realization of I mean we spent all offseason like basically boiling it down to argue like can they be average can they get to average could they get to six seven wins you know and it’s it’s games like this that just reinforce like yeah you’re not bad but you’re one of the worst teams in the league if not the worst team in the league you know that’s what I think for me it’s it’s six wins I think they get six wins you know seven maybe like a little spunk down Mike you can’t you can’t be you can’t be boning how bad this roster is all year and then say well can they get to midling they oh yeah no I I don’t think I don’t think Mike was looking for Mid six seven win but I’m saying you know all summer long when we’re in a you know just at least fooling yourself into believing like if it all went right what could what could you kind of put together you’re totally right once you get go right and so you know that’s that’s what that’s what I’m talking about it’s the realization that like you’re not even close to six wins you’re closer to one win so I would say like in this again people are going to you know think I’m beating up on the Chargers but I think that’s what was was alarming to me because I don’t really Envision like if this was Buffalo last week and they did this I wouldn’t would expect it on the road tough I don’t I don’t look at the chargers the same way as playoff team I don’t think they’re all that good they are now I think they’re well coached and I think their quarterback is really good yeah and they’re getting there they’re getting better they got a rookie receiver that’s that’s really giving them a lot of life but to be that far behind what I would Envision to be sort of a playoff team but no real Contender Baltimore Kansas City Buffalo you lose like that too that shows you how far you have to go to be a contender this is showing me how far they have to go just to be relevant right yeah right and I think what’s dis what’s disturbing about the whole thing and I go back to what I think most reasonable Patriot fans thought of at the beginning of the year the roster tough they’ve got a new Administration in place can they get to a point at the end of the year where they’re trending upward and they’re you see signs of improvement not only do you see no signs of improvement and I think that’s an indictment on everybody yes the roster poor but nobody looks like they’re improving and they’re going to limp to the Finish Line at best who knows what the game that could be a glorified preseason game next week if Buffalo’s got nothing to play for going to be very hard to evaluate that if that happens but here’s the thing about what you’re saying we need to believe our eyes if what you were saying happened they started getting better and they started improving well then you’d be saying you know this roster is not that bad after all maybe the got something out they just needed to be coached up and and there’s some Talent here see I would look at I would look at it as the way that Matt said it the coach these coaches are doing a great job because I know how limited the talent is yeah I’ve saw it last year yeah so now I would be saying these guys are doing a great job they’re maximizing what they have right which I think is what Harbaugh is doing right now in in La y not to try to make this all about Jim Harbaugh why didn’t we hire him I coach a seasoned exper Point your point about their plan going in I think like it was alarming we talked about belich in the P well bich against a rookie quarterback you know y it’s the same thing yep all right CH closis went out uh from an injury standpoint May got hurt that was a big one he came back in still not a great sign to see him go out and have you know something happened above the shoulders that’s not great Gonzalez goes out same sort of a thing he’ll be watched and who knows I would say you you’d probably want to be as careful with him as possible and maybe shut him down for next week is that fair to say sure yeah okay’ be fine I would do the same thing with with May is if he’s out of protocol if he clears protocol he plays if he doesn’t obviously he doesn’t okay did I miss anybody else uh Keon white got dinged but he came back he did come back in did aqual come back in I didn’t notice if AAL came back in aqual definitely appeared to hurt his shoulder that’s why they didn’t do his one I’m only kidding um and I don’t remember if he came back in at that point it was kind of garbage time anyway another one and I know you guys don’t get a chance to listen to the TV but I I’m I’m bullish on Tucker and Chris Rose and uh when AAL went out Tucker said he goes look I watch the tape he goes I’ll tell you what aqual is their best interior defensive lineman heard he’s played as well as anybody on the defensive line they haven’t played great this year but aqual has been the one guy at least when I watch him he looks like the most consistent player on the defensive line that uh perked my ears up no I like Tucker I think he did a good job today and he did a good job two weeks ago in Arizona when he did the game he tells the truth he’s honest he tells the truth’s not afraid he’s not afraid he’s not afraid yeah yep there it is the good the bad which there was a lot of and the injured when we return we will get to your phone calls we will get to your emails this is the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings we’ll be 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while poke played one snap and wasn’t a factor was hard to stomach how do we get Fred in the draft room this year to tell Elliot which wide receivers can actually play football Matt from Orange County with that one Matt we’re already on that last part Evan Evan threw the gauntlet down to Freddy during the game y it’s up to Freddy to find I haven’t begun my research yet oh man but it’s a like I can just picture the shot it’s like a slow motion pan of like Elliot wolf and you know everybody’s like looking to their right and then you just see Fred sitting there with like a mustard stand being like him that one how just a silent nod on approval he Tak meatball I’ve got like half a donut in my mouth find the strangest name that you can on the board and pick pick him in the third round uh be mad at Elliot wolf says Alex who wants to come to May and the coaching staff’s defense just a little bit I certainly agree there have been several coaching mistakes in miscues this season but with the roster that’s out there every week what are people expecting to happen Fred this is what happens when you ignore a glaring need to left tackle this is what happens when you try to be smart and draft Jaylen pulk instead of llad makoni who tore the defense apart today this is what happens when we have no Edge rushers and no off the- ball linebackers if fans want somebody to be mad at be mad at Elliot wolf that is from Alex who emails Y and let’s go I don’t know why it only has to be one person if you’re a fan why do I have to pick one guy I mean I’m not happy with anything I’m seeing supposedly he said in the offseason that he gets the final say on everything oh no no no I’m saying if I’m a fan why do I have to pick one guy to be mad at oh Elliot wolf I I think is certainly in play for the criticism just like Gerard Mayo is getting right I’m not saying that but like who’s doing well yeah who you happy with and that’s why you can just go round and around where you can say it’s the guy picking the wrong players it’s the guy not developing the players the guy not getting extra out that’s where again not having the information really puts us at a disadvantage it could be everybody right but or it could be a couple things that are just killing it we have no idea like like what like with with what they have it was very easy for me to say are they getting the most out of it are they are they doing things like one of the things that’s really annoying me is this sort of trend that they have Mike the the narratives that developed during the course of the week that you and I love so much they seem to be be affecting the the decisions that get made the following week y you know why don’t you run Drake May boom all of a sudden we get some Zone runs for Drake May in the next game fourth fourth and six or whatever fourth and five from the down 10 in the fourth quarter you got to go for that what do we do today we go for a fourth and 12 from our own you know 45 yard line or whatever it was it’s like what they talk about and and criticized during the week gets addressed in the play like yeah have your your your thoughts your convictions and stick with them yeah you know one thing I want to peeb on with you Paul is that you know this offseason whoever does Go I mean I’m assume somebody’s going to go people are going to go uh like we’re going to just point at that person and say oh it was his fault it was that guy’s fault that’s what right like oh so this guy is staying so he must have been okay behind the scenes but it’s just you know we don’t know it’s hard well and that I think there’s a fear there that who’s going to get scapegoated yeah you know right and at 3 and 14 changes are coming and we don’t know is it scapegoating or is it is it legit or is it legit we don’t know well there’s no way at 3 and4 you can just run it back and just say well everybody everybody did a good job so we all deserve a second chance yep one more on this cluster to just round out uh this is from Craig and Central Mass is this a Calamity yet uh based on rap reports pregame hopefully Ian Source can clarify thanks Craig in Central Mass that’s a great question that we ask or raport had the report today that he’s had the last three weeks that’s what which is you know he’s coming back unless something bad happens unless he doesn’t come back right you know um like yeah so what what def what is the definition of Calamity in this context I have no idea was today calamitus your op gu in my opinion no see that’s where it’s interesting you don’t think today was calus I think this is this is a continuation of everything a little seasoned that’s a little season kind of calam calaminus would have been fist fights on the sideline and somebody gets hit in the head with a Gatorade bucket you know like that’s calamitous do not know obviously like you keep saying this is where it’s hard when you don’t have the information my guess is that’s what they are defining calamitous as right like just open yeah disrespect insubordination in the locker room um and and that kind of stuff fist fights or whatever you know guys just deciding they’re not playing you know Antonio Brown taking the shirt you know what I mean like that’s what they I think that they’re calling calamitous because this performance as Matt I think astutely point point it out at the beginning of the show is not an outlier it’s about the fifth or sixth time that they’ve lost like that this year so if they went into this game saying unless something calamitous happens I don’t think they’re talking about the performance no right right I think they’re talking about something far greater than that whoever the they is right um that Ian Rapaport is getting his information from is it possible one of my new found and it’s not new favorite phrases that both can be right is it is it possible that a Calamity is defined by fist fights on the sidelines Gatorade bottles being thrown punches in the locker room and might I say a piss poor performance on the field can both things be calamitous well but no okay no not no not this year okay poor performance in the field is what’s happened all year okay levels of that’s kind of my point today wasn’t an outlier in terms of onfield performance yeah right yet wasn’t and you guys you guys are have a good finger on the pulse on Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday was there an expectation nobody believes that the Chargers are World beaters they’re coming across the coast maybe the weather’s going to be a little bit different indoor team playing Outdoors that they can build a little something off the Buffalo game and maybe stay within two scores was there any more of an expectation of that today than there was coming out of the bu and playing Arizona well I I mean again and so you know Arizona is half the team that put this way let’s put it this way and there’s record of this we do our picks y either I’m picking them to win or cover I didn’t this week and I didn’t and no one did yeah you didn’t I didn’t and you and you’ve generally picked the Patriots to cover at least right uh 855 patch 500 the number Deshawn has been with us the longest let’s go to Desa first you are first in the Patriots postgame show can I get this to work yes I can yes I can Deshawn you’re first in the Patriots postgame show uh brought to you by DraftKings hi desan good evening guys how you doing tan hey hello hi y uh yes uh um I don’t understand why people just can’t really see for what it is I mean when Fred asked that question about reason why the Patriots can’t per uh why they have to perform J is versus Justin Herbert this uh this um this game what people understand is that the roster is extremely bad so it’s hard for them to have sustainable per good sustainable performances yep so like when you look at it um week in and week out it’s either that they get the breaks beat off of them or they can have a good game and still lose yeah so so so you look at it it’s like I’m thinking to myself like man they really need to seek some like outside scouting or consultant you know for this this uh uh great talent because right now I don’t think these guys know what they’re doing and it’s it’s going to get worse if if Mr KB don’t make a decision quickly to perhap probably get ready of J Mayo because I don’t think these guys are right for the job I think they’re going to mess up everything down the down the run down down the long run when it comes to trying to build his team back up that’s just my take on it thank you Desa I mean you know the point he makes is a good one you know when you’re a bad team it’s hard to string good performances together for this team it’s hard to string good Drives together whether on defense or offense like because the Buffalo game last week I think everybody just sort of focused on you had a good first half and you fell apart you had a good first two drives yeah well okay that was it yeah they didn’t do anything offensively until there was a minute 13 left in the game after that what but they went into the locker room with a lead you know what’s the last time they did that they went into the locker room with the lead but they had lost control of the game already yeah um here’s one uh we’ve been talking about this a little bit off and on for the last couple weeks how would you uh what would you say the Carolina Panthers are is that a bad team yep okay have they been playing Plucky a little bit bad for the most bad team for the most part they’ they’ve been they’ve been competitive for the most part I think if you I think that’s a really good point Matt if that was what was going on here we would be talking a little differently we’ be talking differently right now isn’t great isn’t Carolina’s roster I’m sure it’s better than the Patriots the competitive game for the Patriots last week against Buffalo to me is the outlier yeah no that’s the game that they got blasted the the Panthers got blasted recently against Dallas was the outlier all their other games they’ve been in over the last six seven games have been very close if if they haven’t won I think I think they’re like three and four in their last seven and they took Kansas City to the and Kansas City Tampa in overtime like they’ve had some really close games there’s this demonstrable Reason for Hope in Carolina yeah yeah you know they benched the quarterback he came back he’s starting to play better they’re they’re competitive in games a rookie coach who seems like he’s getting better so it’s it’s different there yeah where’s there hope here Fred there isn’t right now okay ex except for Drake May and Gonzalez okay and I think May took a big step back this week yeah he did he got bested by a better Coach yep but but again I think it was a continuation of the last three quarters last week that people didn’t really remember because he was so good in the first two drives y uh Mike wants to know and this is a fun game I enjoy the game so we’ll play it here the roster is really bad as you look next season who are the four offensive players and who are the four defensive players you would pick to keep and build around the boss man can go first first well for offensive for offensive I guess I’m I’m I’m obviously May yep I’m sticking with an wenu because you know I who who knows um I’d stay with Hooper I’d keep I’d keep uh Henry there’s your four I you know and there’s probably one or two more I would I would keep defense defense obviously you know you’re hoping barmore comes back healthy Gonzalez you’re keeping um you know there’s a lot of guys I keep but not to be starters like you know I I’ll keep toi but he’s not on the field to start the game anymore right you know he’s a role play they’ve got a team of role players who we playing out of position yeah I mean they need to all be upgraded um I’m trying to think anyone else on defense I mean all the safeties right now can go I mean no I’m serious no you’re kind of answering the question with your your hesitation I mean I don’t know why we have to pick four um but the the fact of the matter is they do not have enough players on both sides of the ball I think that the exercise is that I think he’s trying to show like you’d have a hard time picking four we did an on all axis two weeks ago where we said if there’s an expansion team coming in and you had an expansion draft you can protect five players we struggled to get to five on both sides of the ball yeah Marcus Jones made it but I mean I picked Marcus Jones only because he’s a great hunt returner and I just think he’s one of the five best players on the team right no but it’s around a guy who’s 5 six you know 150 lb people throw these exercises at you to be like see how much they stink and it’s like I get it but at the same time you add some talented pieces like guys like Tay guys like godshaw guys like Keon white who may not be Keepers play better play well enough but they just they don’t have the highend talent to pull some of those guys point you know Mike right so let’s do it with the Chargers who just put 40 on the board right Herbert Fred’s guy lad makoni is is you know probably Jo probably Joe Alon ran Slater that’s probably you four Zion Johnson who’s kind of been a disappointment so to Fred’s Point Dobbins Dobbins isn’t any better than rre Stevenson okay he’s not all right they they’re just kind of running backs I think a lot of people would tell you Stevenson’s better gerod May would I I don’t really like I don’t think that every team has to have 11 guys that are like the answer on offense like if you have the quarterback and you have a couple of weapons they need some weapons Patriots don’t have any K is impressed with Herbert after watching him for a good portion today like I didn’t I didn’t know that he had that in him and again the opponent is do you know he’s thrown for like the most yards in first five years of his career in NFL history right I haven’t seen him play I haven’t seen him play I saw him play today he looked good in a lot of different places drop back run the off platform throws he looked good he’s a good quarter he’s a good quarterback you see he’s been a good quar I know he’s only got three interceptions this year and it just shows when you don’t get any pressure on him he’s going to pick you Fred this is why you and I have a feel for the league right we watch the we watch the league right you get it uh Finlay and dundy Scotland writes I was firmly in the keep Mayo camp but losing like this to a mediocre Chargers team is inexcusable especially at home it’s hard to say what’s developed this season yes you found a franchise quarterback and Gonzalez looks to be a top player but outside of that this roster is literally nothing several players were paid and they’ve all regressed or stagnated all I can say is thank God there ‘s only one more game left this season good luck to the crafts who have a significant amount of work sorting this mess out after the Bills game fairly Fair emailer there I would have to say I mean you know and this is you know I’ve had this conversation with several people this week and this is this is the tough part for me and for us when we’re talking and evaluating the team Tom curan recently said this team needs a football Zar someone that oversees everything football now you may disagree or agree with that but at the end of the day somebody at the end of this season has to be making hard decisions should Gerard Mayo stay or go should Elliot wolf stay or go name two people who’s making that decision right now right now it’s got to be the crafts right so if it is the crafts then that means in order for them to make that decision they would have to be involved in seeing these meetings and hearing what’s going on and being at practice they’re not right so how are they making that decision by just watching what we watch I mean I don’t know I’m assuming they go down during the week and they ask questions and everything like that but Demarcus Covington isn’t going to tell them yeah I need to go you know so like it’s going to be tough on the crafts to make these decisions if they are the ones making the decision otherwise Elliot wolf says he’s got final say well who’s got the final say over Elliot wolf right well it’s a tough predicament and I understand where current’s coming from when he says that people I talked to said no that’s stupid you’re just adding another layer but there has to be someone who has really final say over the whole operation but do you think like if they just hired a GM and gave the person the GM title that that could be your football Zar it’s just you’re coming up with all these different names for people to try to keep in J more accurate for you but does that person exist in the building right now well maybe not but maybe that’s what that’s part of the problem is that you’re trying to skirt around naming an actual GM or giving another head coach full power and like it’s just at a certain point you got all these people with all the different power and you’re getting all different relationships and structures and now get more complicated like I can’t stress enough how critical a juncture we are with this franchise we’ve got a quarterback who we think is the future yeah and nothing else yeah no I know and that’s I I just I don’t think they can operate from that that point of like well we’ve got a huge box check like I don’t like yes Drake May’s good but we said it in the pregame show like Herbert’s good and they’re still trying to figure out and they’re trying tot’s really good they’re trying to get out of the hump of being that you know second tier AFC kind of mat had an epiphany todayy I’m sry I don’t I apologize put some respect on his name Deuce I apologize I have not watched Herbert if if we screw up this off seon oh yeah we’re in so we’re in big trouble so I kind of agree with with uh I I think Elliot wolf is your football Zar like they put it in the press release that he is final say so final say of what the roster right right but what about the coaches the coaching staff who’s whose final say is that who saying so who is saying AP you did a good job you’re staying so do you think other teams is that’s the way I mean and I’m this is a question not a snark is that what other teams do I think every they they have a football Zar who decides that the defensive coordinator didn’t do the job he’s out I think every team is structured differently cuz I feel like the way that happens around the league is either there’s a a difference of opinion among from the head coach down which I think is kind of what happened in Miami with Vic fangio I think there was sort of uh a clash between philosophies between McDaniel and Vic fangio and that’s why he left he was out I think what also can happen is I think what happened in Philadelphia well Robinson and frabel in Tennessee they had a clash and Vel won and I assume somebody over both of them decided who wins this battle owner they sided they the owner sided with Rael I don’t get it hired a GM in carthon carthon came in sidled up to the owner and said this guy isn’t cutting it and then the owner sided with carthon and whacked Rael so right so but that’s not what I’m talking about I’m talking about you got to make changes on your coaching staff okay so I think what the other way it happens is in like in Philadelphia where the owner goes to Nick serani and says I don’t care what you do but you got to make changes that wasn’t good enough and they have a new offensive and defensive coordinator this year my guess is that’s what’s going to happen here well and that’s my guess do I know that absolutely not no idea let’s turn the question to Fred you know do the crafts want to sit there and and say we’re g to we’re going to independently go in and say that or do they go to gerro First how would you review the year and what kind of changes do you want to make yep and let let Gerard say I want to see something else here I want to see something something else here and unless he if he doesn’t say the right things that’s maybe where ownership has to get involved and say yeah and and that’s how it will unfold probably but what I worry about is how do they know if he’s saying the right things what information do they have you know well he’d have to convince them that all these guys deserve a second chance to come and as may be hard sell Paul yep and is Gerard Mayo ready to evaluate what kind of job AP did on offense I mean a self- admitted guy who I don’t really offense all that well he’s the coach of the offense so they asked me at my chinwag in the other station does Drake May sort of going for bat for Alex Vel should that weigh in on it I personally think no no what else is he gonna say right yeah exactly’s got to have his back yeah you know uh all right let’s go to let me just see who’s been waiting the longest let’s go to CM in West Virginia Sam you’re next on the Patriots postgame show and that’s presented by DraftKings Hi Sam hey guys how you doing today good how are you I’m doing well um first and foremost want to thank you all for letting me call in it’s my first call in um and on the Calamity aspect I know it’s been thrown around a ton in my personal opinion I think today’s game was a bismal and grotesque um and I’ll even go as far to say I’m hoping this offseason next next week after the Bills game or that uh there’s some old school Major League the movie type deal where there’s red cards on who’s going to be a patriot going into the off season I know you can’t do that um but uh I mean I’m really looking at this season from the standpoint I have now looking back as this was kind of a preseason who’s going to make the roster for next year I feel like this is all just Tri outs um and I don’t think that there was any plan going into today’s game based on what I saw on the field thanks for the call Sam and there’s some Merit to what he says was was 2024 determined by all the decision makers we know we’re going to stink let’s see what we got kers is in Duo’s out we’ll figure it out and we’re going to play for 2025 could that be a part of the plan and they going to punt the season away no I mean look we did that in 2020 like it’s just you’re burning your second season in like four years like I just it’s that’s does Seem doesn’t seem like something that ownership would be signing up for make any sense to forget about like they not only retained so many of their own free agents but then they extended other guys that weren’t up so does that make sense that I’m identifying I mean Mike you have the numbers you have your spreadsheet with the roster upwards of 15 guys you went out of your way you didn’t have to you went out of your way to make sure these guys are going to be here next year yep and you punted on the season you just just wanted to see what you had no no right no doesn’t make any sense I think what they were trying to do is establish some culture you know establish who guys they were familiar with who are my locker room guys who’s going to be my leaders let’s reward them let’s incentivize them and it didn’t work so was the next step on that lot of them got hurt right was the next step on that Fred we misevaluated on X we thought he was going to be one of our key core guys he’s not out let’s keep going down the list that could happen yeah yeah yeah you know but I I think they went into this season hoping for the best hoping that they’d get May out in the field eventually and he’d show signs of the future um and that you know things would be okay yeah the question I keep going back to is what what’s reasonable to expect from gerro Mayo never coached a team before like you know like that’s just I don’t know why I didn’t like kind of try to establish that Baseline in my head like what was acceptable the guy’s never coached a football team like at any level what’s acceptable like what do you need to see from him this year as a guy who’s never reasonable to expect too much to expect that the team would have an identity and that’s that’s a great question I think that like I don’t think that’s too much to expect and I don’t think it’s too much to expect to not make the same mistakes every we it’s hard it’s again it’s hard to establish an identity when the coach himself doesn’t have one you know at least if he had been a coordinator his defense or his offense would have had an identity and because and because of that success he became a head coach you know he had n none of that he had no identity coming in except for we were told he was little Bill he’s a student of the game he you know he loved to study film connects with people and he’s a leader of men yeah yeah but that came more from two years at opum than anything else so so it wasn’t fair to anyone no um and then surrounding him with other people that weren’t in those jobs as well exactly a rookie defensive coordinator a rookie offensive coordinator and play call like that’s a tough combination to expect success I just a guy who improv a guy who’s never been a headline coach before you know I’ll tell you something that I I never would have envisioned and you will you go back in the offseason shows on on Patriots unfiltered and there’s a million different things people call in like what if X Y and Z happens what would you say in Fred and I we always say I kind of need to see how it unfolds first but I never ever would have envisioned feeling this good and and this sort of uh promising about the quarterback and be in this situation I never would have envisioned being three and 13 and having the quarterback sort of definitively answer the question is he your guy going forward right because we said in that scenario boy you’re going to win more than three games that happens right and if you don’t then he’s probably contributing to the losses and I never would have envisioned feeling as good as I do about may but yet I don’t feel any better about the big pitcher to be fair he did contribute to some of the losses with all the turnovers no question he did but you’re hoping that he corrects that next year it’s like but the thing with mayo though is like you said like he’s a leader of man it’s like what makes a great football coach and like I just go back does he have the answers to the test I mean I think that’s like the if you’re going to be a good coach you’re going to tell the players what’s going to happen before it’s going to happen or you’re going to identify what we need to do to win games and how do you know if a Coach has that unless they’ve demonstrated it before it’s you can’t just take a guy that seems like a leader of man and you know seems like he has a good understanding of the game and then expect that he’s going to step into a coaching position and be able to decipher what opponents are doing to them translate it for his players and then motivate them and be to be able to execute against what they’re going to try to do and it’s just it’s really hard to understand that as you haven’t seen it before let me play Devil’s Advocate with you what if you think you’ve identified the leader of men as your CEO of the coaching staff who doesn’t need to have all the answers of the test because his defensive coordinator has the answers to the test on defense and his offensive coordinator has the offense has the answers to the offense that hasn’t happened you know you surround a guy like that I go it’s my the old dades I go to I don’t know it’s a great comp Larry Bird rookie coach for the Indiana Pacers his first hire was Dick Carter who was a defensive coordinator he ran the defense for him old school guy much older than bird gerro doesn’t have that kind of support around him and that that was I know that was a fear among a lot lot of people here right from the GetGo that he doesn’t have Mayo doesn’t have the support yeah you know but here’s a you know he’s got support is it the right is it the right support you know here’s another you know homework thing and I know at at one point it it was not a good record but look at all the people that work for Bill that either got promoted or left for a higher job and how many of them did well not many I don’t think a lot did and it’s you you can’t underestimate the hold that belich had on everything you know um in that you all you really had to do was listen to him and you do okay but without him there yeah it it’s been hard for a lot of these guys you know you go down the list Josh McDaniels and you you name them um yeah I just to get back to what you kind of got back to me like I just I don’t like it I don’t like it I want the head coach to imprint on the team absolutely no and that’s you know and I watched watched a little of the Hard Knocks behind the scenes and and you know it’s the first time I’m getting to see Mike Tomlin and how he talks to a team and it’s the same kind of stuff you saw from Bill where he watches film and he picks up what he picks up and he says these are the key things that we have to stop we have to be ready to counter this and I just wonder as a team does that work with a CEO who’s going to just be the hype man you know I’m going to get everybody let’s go we’re going to look go to them to know what the scheme he should be he should be uh in charge of the defense and I’m not talking about calling plays and all that but these guys to the point that you guys are making Matt and Fred you know Shawn McVey immediately gets Wade Phillips right when when he when he was a young coach offense is my side I got I got the offense I’m going to get an offensive coordinator I’m going to teach him my S this is what we’re going to do Wade you’re going to handle the defense that’s what it should be right now Alex vanel like I had no problem a lot of people have sort of been critical of mayo using that term like Alex Vel is the head coach of offense I have no problem with that I have no problem with hasn’t worked yeah well I just don’t think they have the right guys yet like to to do what they want to do whether it’s the receivers the offensive line there’s a lot of shortcomings all all over the place then I think we can more fairly evaluate the coaches uh a little bit better but unfortunately it’s a tough business and I don’t know if everybody’s going to get an opportunity to do that but even veterans like Greg Roman offensive coordinator he like Harbaugh has him now right or what is he yeah no Greg Roman’s the Chargers offensive like Harbaugh is a season coach and he even says you know what why screw with it I know this guy I know he’s good I’m taking him with me right Mike I want to push back a little bit on Tomlin and I I have I’ve watched a little bit of hard Ox which is very good by the way um but how many years has Tomlin been in that job okay we’re talking double figures now right what kind of Coach do you think he was when he started there I think Mike Tomlin is the definition of a leader of men I think guys run through a wall for Mike Tomlin I don’t know what kind of tactician he was when he first started he was kind of a joke remember him going out in the field and running into a guy when he was on a a kick return or something like that try to trip job try to trip him right by he’s he’s been because of the success that they’ve had he’s been allowed to grow into that role and now I think he’s better apt at seeing I’m going to look at the Bengals and go here’s what we got to do we got to take Chase what did they always have in Pittsburgh they had good coordinators and they had a very strong GM very good personal you know yeah I think it’s a fair point I just wonder if jro Mayo was with behind where Mike Tomlin was when he started well Tomlin was Tomlin a coordinator before he took the Pittsburgh J I think he was yeah yeah uh Dylan in Michigan you’re up next on the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings hi Dylan hey how’s it going guys good how are you good so there’s yeah that was obviously a bad performance by the team um each week when I watched them play um seeing the offensive line I’m reminded about how Elliot wolf before the season told us that there’s no problem with the offive line even though you know everybody else seeing it apparently besides him um another point I wanted to make um I think defensively we have a better roster than is on the offense and I think the defense is way underperforming and I think the offense is overperforming for what they have um yeah I would just like to see what you guys say about that appreciate the phone call Dylan and I on the Elliott thing uh those comments from Elliott in August have not aged well I don’t think Elliot said we’re all set on the offensive line I think as he was trying to bump up these guys and maybe a little little confidence he probably over shared with that and I said his comments haven’t aged very well they don’t look good okay no but I also think he was trying to bump up his guys and try to make it seem like they were better than they were it hasn’t worked out I think the guys that he was talking about aren’t here they aren’t Che that’s on him yeah uh but I would say that I disagree with both those elements don’t think the talent on defense is any better than the talent on offense and I don’t think the offense is over is overperformed no Colin in Seattle Washington asks how much stock do we put into this team’s apparent ineptitude when it comes to stacking in quotation marks good performances that to me is the most glaring deficiency when it comes to this coaching staff there’s no carryover following a somewhat promising performance they failed to put together two consecutive respectable performances this season how can they possibly move forward with the same leadership next season so Fred uh had this call earlier I think he Nails it they can’t stack performances because they’re not good enough to stack performances right so that’s my concern as I said that and Fred is telling me and I I the sage wisdom of the great one here is saying all of those comments and those questions and those emails have a maybe not so thinly veiled rationale behind them they are demanding change yes so their arguments are all tilted to get rid of everybody yes okay yes all right I just don’t think any of the performances have been that good I mean a couple games where you had a good drive or two that doesn’t qualify as a good performance to me this just it’s regression to the me even even like probably their best game of the year was Chicago right offensively they weren’t really that good in that game not at all you know defensively they were they got all over a rookie quarterback and and made them look silly they sacked them nine times but 10 straight losses for the Bears yeah I don’t I think it I think even the good performances weren’t as good as people think they were Co conspirators this is Sultan who is writing in I’ve been a fan of your show since the start of the draft with Drake May and follow through with each game I want to say that I haven’t seen such a dysfunctional team that is now cultivated into a Calamity there’s the c-word again there’s no accountability from Gerard Mayo nothing from Alex velt the defense was atrocious the only thing we can agree on is that Drake May is an evolving quarterback I like that description by the way there needs to be some kind of change and I hope that Mayo go and we hire Mike Vel or someone capable that can understand as a team we need to go back to winning Super Bowls how about let’s win games before we win Super Bowl Sultan that’s just my editorial on that one yeah yeah uh we need to get back to winning Super BS I I second that motion nah I agree it’s a long way can they win four games before we hit the break let’s go to Pat nagam for a little postgame analysis from Pat you’re next in the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings hi Pat what’s up Jen hey Pat hey so you gave me three things to discuss in the in the pregame so I want to touch on three things in the postgame too and I’ll make them quick first thing Deuce you’re right this is Rock Bottom this is I and to me the Miami game was Rock Bottom for me this was worse than that the second thing was so it proves my point you don’t know Rock Bottom until it’s over right right you don’t know a sched it feels pretty Rock to me and I’m not talking about in the 2024 season like if they like week two next year and lose 58 to2 is that Rock Bottom no you’re still in it Kansas City 14 was Rock Bottom until it was that was rock bottom right hopefully hopefully till next year we’re not having this discussion of Rock Bottom because like you said you know and and see I don’t know if it was this this past week or the week before when you start getting better you’ll know when Rock Bottom was and this is it you know but like the second thing I I want to say is when I’m watching Herbert operate um I’m thinking to myself this is how I want Drake May to look in like year three like because he was here here Patty pardon me here here I you on that that’s how we looked in year one he was Drake May was the balls today like not Drake may but Justin Herbert was a ball and the third thing I I’ll I’m gonna put out there Paul you might want you’re probably gonna want to come after me after I say this like Jonathan Jones was bad today the secondary is bad today I think Isaiah Balden at at least from like what I watched on TV today was not that bad had tack for he had a tackle for loss that’s why Mike and I included that on our good list complete level he had he had a good play yeah he also got away with pass interference in the end zone but Pat thank you very much for the phone call we’re going to take playlist uh have we taken a break yet yeah we sorry we did take one thank you Matt I apologize for that let’s uh let’s go back to the electronic mail uh no cuz we’re going to get to d uh to Mayo in a second you run a tight ship Matt I’m just trying to see if I can figure out how to post the email OMG the worst game of the year from Diana in summers wart New Hampshire well that was brutal to watch has to be our worst game of this year I had been on the fence about our coaches but after this pathetic game no way it can be just the players we need to wipe the Sigh clean your thoughts best part of the game is a pre and the postgame shows thank you that’s from Diane in summers wart so when people say that like blow it all up do they realize the task ahead of somebody if they do that like to to reassemble a front office and coaching staff in in one offseason it’s the answer that I keep with all these people that want to fire this one or fire that one that’s a great idea if you want to do that do you have somebody yeah better to replace them with because it isn’t just getting rid of somebody you want to improve what’s the plan would you do it for Ben Johnson this is not going to be a popular take no okay I would if not him who Ben Johnson is going to be the apple of a lot of teams it would make it would that’s a different argument can you get them I ask you would you do it for Ben John for me it be make it much easier of a thing with Ben Johnson if I sit down with him and ask him who you bringing with you correct and if he has good answers then it makes it a much easier decision yeah I’m saying if you decide that you’re moving on you’ve decided this guy ain’t the answer yeah so I you know I I’m not telling you it’s easy cuz the thought of starting all over is daunting to me like but I understand why people you know like like Diana I understand that mentality like evidently you had on the blog today Freddy I I get why you know you heard a smattering of it in the stands not discern you know not loud but you heard people the people are upset people like that they don’t believe in it they don’t believe in what they’re watching think about this stability that we’ve all been able to witness here for such a long period of time and we know cuz we’ve heard it from ownership themselves how important stability is it’s the last thing that they want to be able to do right the last thing they something I’d like to know like who’s conducting the search right yeah Elliot wolf Fred I think you should treat it like wide receiver yeah and you identify next guy the meatball Falls um you know what I’d like to know though he’s disrespectful I know I know he lashes out he’s disrespectful just cuz I don’t just cuz I don’t dress like a first grade principal you know and you’re not you’re not like concentrating on your music in in your late 40s Paul music is a wonderful thing and it brings a lot of joy to people you know that’s that was my resolution you know you know my resolution that that I could pick for someone else Mike I want to encourage him to to we played well off of that I I just I’d like to know though when coaching staff changed like last year did how how much how big is the STA how big is the football staff how many people were bich people that stayed and how many people were new people that came in and usually when this kind of thing happens in other organizations are there a similar amount of people holdovers be it on the coaching staff scouting staff Etc I’m sure you don’t usually fire everyone when a coach leaves uh you know that’s just something I wonder about is is there some kind of you know maybe internal kind of conflict between holdovers and new people and in order to do flip chart in order to compare apples to apples you have to look at another coach who has no network right yeah cuz had no network well how do you know that the next coach doesn’t have a network no I’m just saying like if he wanted to do his little assignment and compare who were the holdovers on our staff compared to other staffs like is that coach that came in on the other staff does has he been in the league for a while and and does he have a network Gerard Mayo had no network that’s a great point I just I I’d be curious if other NFL teams look at it and be like they’re going to keep Bill’s defensive staff but they’re getting rid everywhere or they’re going to keep think Scouts I personally think that’s rare that is many guys stay has stayed on this I bet you was 50% Paul I bet you was a 50% retention kind % newood if you have a network you know people people actually you know they I hear them make fun of it oh it’s an old boy Network you know you see the same there’s a reason for that because they’re trusted you know what they can do you know and it’s hard to just buildington and Mayo like that’s four guys that stayed like I I bet you that’s rare you know I bet you like when there’s a coaching change around the league I think for the most part it’s totally new yeah what about the scouting staff like that’s that’s what I’m interested in too from what I from what I know I don’t think there might have been some new people on the lower level but at higher level I don’t think they made any changes I agree most of the same most of the same uh we’ll take one more call be before maybe we hit Gerard and let’s go to Jared not Gerard in North Carolina Jared you’re next in the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings hi Jared hey guys um I guess my biggest wonder is like where do we even go like if we’re firing coordinators like who is J gonna hire right that’s a good question that’s the question Jared and then and then on top of that I feel like most of this is on the GM and what GM is going to come in here if they can’t pick their own coach like I have a friend that’s a Washington commanders fan they got a new GM they got a new coach new quarterback and yeah I mean I mean I guess they’re probably the outlier but they got a court they got a GM that got to pick their coach like I just feel like you guys are wondering who who like should be it but like that’s the Craft’s problem to figure out like you know which GM to hire and then that GM’s going to find the coach and then like this is all gonna yeah that’s one scenario it doesn’t happen all the time in every organization like that but that’s one way to do it you let the GM pick the coach but yeah I mean I think he’s right I think it’s hard to get a a quality candidate if he’s not going to have a say in the coach yeah Patriots lose 40 to7 to the Los Angeles Chargers they are three and 13 on the year after the game here’s the head coach Gerard May good evening um man there’s nothing really this what I told the players there’s really nothing good to take out of that game today um you know just the the lack of execution the look that’s a good football team and they’re a well coached football team we just didn’t play well enough in any phase of the game no complimentary football and that’s what you get far away drro after what you guys were able to do in Buffalo uh you short week and a lot of talk about you know coming out strong how disappointing frustrating surprising is this out uh effort from your team today it’s very disappointing and it comes back to consistency I mean that’s what it is consistency D before the game you said on the radio that Antonio Gibson would start at running back and then ra Andre was on the field what went into the last minute change there that was just a coach’s decision coach’s decision can I just follow up on that TR did did something change from the time you did the interview to the game to to lead that or was there a miscommunication that um maybe the message wasn’t handed down I I understand your question Mike um look it’s a coach’s decision so I leave that that uh gerro you and Demarcus have ascribed your defensive struggles this year to fundamentals run fits and tackling the Chargers just became the third team to score their season high in points against you so looks like the defense has regressed what gives you confidence that this defense of coaching staff is suited to develop this defense next season look I have nothing but confidence in the coaching staff and look we’ll get better and it’s part of what we have to do so I have to look at the film to see what you know some of those things that you’re talking about uh happen on the field but look we got to get better Gerard just curious you know I do see Drake over there but obviously Drake suffered the head injury had to be evaluated for one in the first quarter you guys are down by 30 in the fourth quarter and you sent him out there for two drives how much thought was there to pulling him from that game down 30 and trying to protect him again look we’re trying to develop a quarterback and he wants to play he’s a competitor and we’re out there uh Gerard with one game over here oh sorry with with one game left how much pressure do you feel and and do you feel like you and your coordinators are coaching for your jobs look I’m always under pressure and i’ it’s been that way for a very long time not just when I became a head coach of the Patriots um I’m okay look and again I always do what’s best for the team gerro the fans at home have never been shy about expressing their thoughts about the team we’ve heard it with Mack and we heard it with Bailey were you cognizant of the chance that were being directed at you towards the end of the game today look I always look you hear those things but at the same time look they paid to sit in the seats and we got to play better if play better we don’t have to hear that stuff so Dr can you describe for us the play where there was the fumble on H the pitch from Drake and what was the design of that play yeah look I I have to watch the film to see what exactly happened but just the exchange obviously was the problem there there was a turnover draw a consistent message with you each week is been we have to get better we have to get better we have to pick things up obviously it feels like this may be trending in the wrong direction do you see it that way and and you know what what point do you feel like you need to see it get better yeah to me every game is is unique it’s a game in itself and look I said at the beginning of this press conference about consistency which we are not right now two final questions sopie hi gerro I was just curious um it looked like on that field goal right before halftime some of the players were signaling that it wasn’t actually a good kick um I was curious kind of what you saw on that and your thoughts about that whole play yeah to me it really you know it didn’t matter what anyone saw you know they they look at all the scoring plays and they caught it good and we just got to be able to move forward Kai last question do you see this being after this game do you see this being more of a talent issue or or a coaching issue because you did say that you’ve got full confidence in the staff yeah I have full confidence in staff I have full confidence in the players in there I think again it just comes down to being consistent across the board there’s the head coach drod Mayo the press conferences are presented by Microsoft Surface a big thank you to our partner Microsoft Surface the official sideline Tech technology provider and laptop of the NFL and the New England Patriots that provides players and coaches with the tools to succeed both on and off the field check out the new Surface Pro designed to keep up with you as the most flexible most powerful 2inone laptop and tablet out there at surface.com you think all the question you think all the questions that needed to be asked were asked in that press conference would have I would have uh I I would have kept the uh field goal question in my pocket but other than that they talked about the fumble they talked about playing Drake at the end yeah they talked about uh not being able to string games together they talked about uh Gibson versus raand what did I miss yeah I I thought that they were all touched on my guess is that probably would have been some follow-ups and stuff a brief PR press conference thought um but yeah I think they hit on all those okay no adjustments something on defense like seven straight drivve scoring drives No adjustments no ability to change why I like some follow-ups probably would have been called that’s a good one Mike that would have been a good followup I didn’t even go to journalism school um You probably would have had a hard time asking it though you’re not trained he definitely looked like a beaten head coach weary weary beaten down um frustrated uh the same zad that Mayo has had uh you know in training camp and you know maybe light coming into the room and everything like that that guy is uh he’s not around any longer I think the seriousness in performance and everything you can see it Weighing on him yeah and our puzzlement about the whole Dre vers Gibson thing I think we didn’t get any answer there no um you know he said it look it was just a coach’s decision something happened well that I something happened in that 90 minutes that made him change his mind I think you did get an answer I think what how he looked when he responded to that question and there was a followup Reese did get the followup on that and you could tell that something happened something did happen it’s not I don’t we don’t know what happened but there was something to make him change his mind yeah like Mike I understand your question but correct correct I just think like I mean we were speculating a little bit like and you were saying like you know maybe Gibson came late like how would you feel if you’re like Gibson and like well this guy’s fumbled seven times and I’m like two minutes late you like you’re going to yank my chance to like you know get a start I bet it was we don’t know if that’s or if you’re Stevenson and you say you know I fumble but he fumbled too like why am I getting losing my job you know like it’s I could see and and but these are the kinds of things that happen on bad team Nicholas from South Korea writes and I’ve been following the Patriots all my life this one’s for you Marine Corps and I’ve been tuning into your show since 2022 when my family and I were stationed in South Korea with the Army I’ve watched every single game this season but after this I can’t do it anymore anyway I’m deploying for training Mission within the US not overseas where I’ll be living in the desert without any outside contact for the next 35 days I think it’s much needed because I can’t take this season anymore thank you all for the great candid coverage this season so imagine yourself here for a second I know I know and he’s going you’re looking forward to 35 isolated days in the desert where you don’t have to sit there and talk about whether or not they have a pass rush or the defensive backs can cover you know there’s going to be a day in he’s looking for a break from that going to be day that yeah there’s going to be a day in early February Arizona for 35 days he emerges from the desert and he’s like all right so what happened in that last Patriot game right R tell me but before can I go back to the Dre Gibson thing yeah complete conjecture don’t know anything but what if May does the inter Mayo does the interview comes back okay you know uh Gibson starting and Alex Van pel says no he’s not ra Andre is starting I’m the head coach of the offense and and I don’t give an fandre is starting what if that happened yeah yeah that would um that’s not good I mean I I speculated more just communication what if AP didn’t get the message that rre is going to grab some wood there for the first possession there’s not a great answer to this question no anyone you look at is not good but this is what I mean about having the info does the people that have ultimately and I me I mean the crafts talk about ownership do they have that info are they demanding an answer to that oh I think there’s going to be some demanding if there already isn’t will demand it’s another him stepping in it you know a press conference uh Rhino and durm North Carolina is next on the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings K Rhino hey fellas thanks for taking my call you’re welcome I think you guys were hitting at something important in that the the head coach doesn’t necessarily need to be the best ex’s and O’s guy or control kind of the strategic game plan but they at least need to establish an identity and culture and that’s what’s been kind of frustrating through the season as a fan it’s almost like some of the criticisms in the Press are amongst fans make their way into game plans the next week we’re not aggressive when we need to be aggressive or we’re inconsistently aggressive we I don’t know what kind of identity he’s established and everybody reaches for this Dan Campbell comparison with with bad first years but at least the lions were losing with aggressiveness and some kind of consistency toughness and week to week there just isn’t that with any decision making from the coaching staff very well put Rhino very well put I mean if I’m hiring a head coach and I’ve got a bunch of candidates I’m assuming that they’ve risen to the level of being considered because they know how to play football they know X’s and O’s I want to know what happens when the phone rings at 3:00 and you’re star wide receiver just got arrested or you know what happens or the defensive back that you just resigned to extension just got I want to know I want to know how he’s going to handle situations you know I I want to know about him like what his track record is what his pedigree is you know does this guy have you know uh tendencies that he’s going bring to this team you know so it’s he’s right it’s less when you get to the head coach level it’s really less about the x’s and O correct I just I I wonder too if M Mayo’s battling some self-doubt I mean that’s you know how do you know you’re a good coach you know like until you he’s pretty confid prove it but I would think that that confidence as confident as he is and I think he has a right to be confident he carries himself with confidence you need to show that you’re still the guy in charge but I wonder for a little bit that that’s been just knocked off kilter just a little bit yeah I mean he talks so much about how he’s you know wanted to get his own ship and we’ve heard from him for a couple years about this but you know it’s like when I briefly coached call Club H like you don’t know you don’t know if players are going to respond to you you don’t know if you’re going to push the right buttons or if guys are going to see something in you and take advantage of you and you know was big worry I had of you know trying to coach people it’s part of the challenge that you just you don’t know those special people who have that special sauce that rallies people around them and gets guys to play Above themselves and play together what did Jimmy Williams say to Jo Marino BR tree Little League yeah what what what what what little league team did you coach yeah tree Little League that was a good one Eldred in North Carolina you’ll be last on the call machine uh this is the Patriots postgame show presented by DraftKings hi Eldred hey Mike hey fellas how y’all doing good how are you I appreciate the personal shout out well I was working and I was watching a little bit but if I wasn’t working probably at the bar and halfway drunk by now because I ain’t never seen a team play with less heart and less emotion less fire than they did at that game right there you got some Quinton Johnson catches though no desire no nothing that’s that’s what I look at okay but also also want to comment with the commentators that was call in the game and he said it’s a roster problem it’s it’s t they don’t have Jack besides two okay he named them gunzo and mate and I agree with him 100% y thanks for the call thank you El brings up a good point and that was Ross Tucker again yes we talked about it two weeks ago and where do you think Ross Tucker got that you think in the production meetings that that maybe Gerard Mayo said we got a bad roster right the only thing is is let me try not to go the conspiracy route Ross Tucker follows the league he’s on serious he does he’s now doing TV games and everything like that I don’t think you have to be Bobby bethard to look at this roster and say they’re not very good no the fair enough fair enough did he get did he get maybe LED down the uh aisle with a couple of little Pebbles or something like that think I also I mean and Ross Tucker’s a Princeton guy he’s not a dummy know he’s kind of said that himself earlier in the year yeah right it’s a talent problem yeah uh Jerome what’s the problem the roster right Jerome in Pennsylvania says Rock Bottom in my editorializing he does not mean the restaurant downtown hello Jerome from Pennsylvania here Pats F since 1970 this is Rock Bottom look at the Brain Trust that’s going to run the draft and free agency they should be fired immediately thanks for getting me through one of the worst scenes I can remember fire everybody fireing Squad everywhere everywhere blow and you know I say this all the time I’m not a huge fan of like calling for everyone’s job I I and I get it I know why people are doing it but it’s like blow it up who’s putting it all together again yeah not me it’s hard you’re over you’re Overlord yeah Overlord right but you know I don’t know it’s a lot of work last emails from Jake and Wisconsin they got criticized for calling around about the offense right as we wrap up the season the biggest concern for me is the same issue we’ve had for years absolute inability to draft I understand that this most recent draft is under a new regime but I just don’t know that we have anyone in the building capable of properly identifying offensive Talent with our inability to sign free agents with high taxes cold weather and no and not an attractive roster we have to nail the draft every time lad had a catch was just salt in the wound Baker without a catch was there one uh Target to Baker and one target to pul today did I see those correctly they got in at the very end y yeah I saw one to pul I don’t remember one to Baker but Baker had one he should have caught it y he should have caught it really y yep from brassette the guy was right behind him but he he had he was in front of the guy the ball was right there and he’d let it go through his hands the final today from Foxboro no Julian Mudville the Patriots lose a tough one 40 to7 to the Los Angeles Chargers who clinch a playoff spot in the uh in doing so the Patriots follow the 3 and 13 they are locked in right now with the number two spot currently in the draft for a host of people Matt and Matt behind the glass Josh and Nick and Nick and Dave and Anthony on the video end of it thanks everybody for watching and listening we’ll see you next week when the Patriots wrap 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