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Anthony welcomes Andy and Brian Kamenetzky (Locked on Lakers) for a home-and-home pair of shows. ESPN dropped the first slop bucket of the year, so the guys react to all of it.

Brooklyn is open for business with their wings (Dorian Finney-Smith, Cam Johnson) and Dennis Schröder. Miami is even hearing teams out about trading for Jimmy Butler. Even New Orleans is open to moving some of their guys given the disastrous start to their season.

So, what does it all mean for the Lakers? Should they get involved in all the madness? Is this team worth investing further capital into?

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[Music] Avery whose show is [Music] this and we’re live welcome everybody here to the Lakers Lounge podcast I’m Anthony Irwin joined on this fine Tuesday I guess like morning your guys’s time early afternoon Mine by Brian and Andy kinety hosts of the lock on Lakers podcast uh they also do a ton of stuff for spectrum and for um ESPN radio as well I did Andy’s uh Lakers show last week so if you guys um missed that I we’ll just keep an eye out for all of those episodes they’ve been really fun so far thank you um and and uh and yeah today on the show we’re going to be talking about all the slop that ESPN dropped um in in uh sham Kia’s uh new piece and this is at the first leg of a home in home that uh the guys and I like to do from time to time Lakers have a nice little break we’re going to take advantage of it by uh hopping on each other’s show and filling air for a little bit um I want to start with this this is like literally just happened um so Shams reported earlier this morning uh quote the heater open listening to offers for Jimmy Butler League sources told ESP ESPN in the six time Allstars believed to prefer a win now contender in any trade and then 11 minutes ago Ira uh Wiman reported that Jimmy Butler left practice today without comment uh amid the ESPN report of possible heat trade consideration so um Brian the one thing I feel like the Lakers are lacking is drama right like that’s [Laughter] that’s well I mean look I I there have been few guys like that I was sort of more wrong about in terms like you know when he went from was it from Min Chicago or how many steps back for for Jimmy but like of of like how good he was and like the impact he could have but he’s but you know he’s 35 and you know mix T of money and I think the drama when at least around Jimmy Butler is going to be the idea of Lakers for those Lakers fans who are like Jimmy Butler it’s Jimmy Butler go get Jimmy Butler it’s biggest name that you’re gonna Jimmy Butler is a bigger name than Dorian finy Smith who I’m sure we’re gonna talk about in a moment go get him Lakers can’t go get him so it’s like the the drama is going to be as why the Lakers are paralyzed in the Jimmy Butler sweep Stakes when other teams are able to put something thing together if they although for what it’s worth given how much money Butler makes in the new CBA and how complicated makes it across the entire league for trades I think there’s gonna be a lot of teams that appear you know as you put it Brian paralyzed when it comes to Butler like the idea that it’s just going to become a sellers market for Jimmy but I mean regardless of what you think of Butler as a player the idea that all of a sudden it becomes a sell’s market for riy and he can just feel tons and tons of offers and just sift through the best one there going to be a lot of teams who can’t do this even if they want to like realistically that’s the thing that I keep running into and there was the report actually uh Wendy had it for ESPN how he was like Zack LaVine in a typical year even with his Albatross contract would be traded for like somebody would line up and convince themselves I can save him and this is like you look at the the amount of money he’s making it’s really tricky to try to make a trade happen for him because the other thing too is all right you send out four or five rotation guys to get to that number that you need to get to and then you need to fill out the rest of your roster and you might not have very much room to be able to do so and then the opposite is true on the other end where it’s like all right you got back all of those players well now you have a ton of work to do on your roster to make that that your your your roster um uh legal by the time that that trade is actually executed this new CBA has completely paralyzed IED uh the the the the big contract motion and it was by design it was um it was an effort to kind of tamper down the the uh temper down what the balers of the world were able to do what Lea was able to do what what josi was able to do um and and in in executing it and arriving here we we’ve now hit a point where nobody can do anything and you know nobody nobody is structured yet for the there’s still most teams are still structured for the older setup yeah and so it takes two or three years to cycle through to new contracts and people structure them differently and they’re you everybody’s giving out the same types of deals we’re not there yet I mean I just I you know Jimmy has a he’s this year a player option for next year that I’m going to go ahead and guess he’s going to pick up for6 yeah that’s next year and then um and then he’s a free agent after that um it’s would you rather have I mean I if I have to trade for2 yeah it feels like 51 barely a scratch over 49 but I but it’s it I think the the and plus the era I think of teams signing up to take on super superstars in their early to mid 30s I want to I think is it’s getting pretty near done like you know the yeah it’s one thing if you already have Joel embiid and you know you just kind of have to sign him to that contract and you just pray you get one year where he’s healthy in the playoffs and it works out okay but you know most of the time he’s gonna be hurt I think people saying oh yeah give me the 35-year-old Superstar um I mean I guess Paul George is an exception to that but I don’t think we’re going to see very much of that going forward well I I actually think that Wiman report of Jimmy walking out of that practice is very kind of exemplary of what you’re talking about here where these stars have basically run the league you know for for the last you know decade or so of their of their of their NBA lives and we’re arriving a point here where they have like no power over their situation anymore compared to what they had before and I think there’s a lot of frustration um going on there and you know it’s really kind of hitting ahead we saw it with with Paul George um airing all of the the the negotiation between uh him and the Clippers and talking about how he felt they low balled him at the beginning of that process and never really arrived at a place that he was really comfortable with and eventually went to to Philly and the Clippers just let Paul George walk like I think I think you’re you’re you’re hitting the nail on the head there where there are all these names that are these household names and I don’t I you know we’re hitting a point here where those household names are just kind of stuck because you they’re either stuck or or they’re being told like no this is the situation here and and we’ll see where what comes of it to go to Denver Paul George ultimately moved in part as insurance to that investment with MB that Brian was talking about before where it’s like look we we can’t or I mean you can but most organizations will not move off somebody like embiid even with all the issues because of the potential for upside so you bring in a very inconvenient insurance policy in Paul George even as you look at this going like all right this is at best a house of cards and you just hope that you you go six months without wind one year but I if they did not have this situation with Joel embiid I seriously doubt in a vacuum the Sixers bring in Paul George it’s because they’re they’re trying to make the best out of what is increasingly turning into an awkward situation with them in embiid but you’re trying there is a still a fair amount of throwing good money after bad to some degree with this stuff it’s just are you even in the position to throw that bad money money out there’s just not very money very much money to go around um in in this new in this as Rob likes to call it the apron world that we’re all that we’re all living in do you think Brian do you think this is actually good for the league like how complicated this is to because on one hand the league wanted to kind of you know keep some players in their markets and make them make it easier to kind of for the fan bases to invest uh into that identity of having that star there and keeping that star there but also like trade rumors slop that has become such a a a a part of the League’s fiber that just kind of yanking it out and pulling that rug out from every out from under everybody um I I’m not sure if if that’s necessarily great either to to quote our friend Darius Sorano yes and no um there he is I no in the here’s where I think it’s it’s I don’t like it it punishes potentially punishes teams who do things well um you know I know we don’t like praising them in in this corner of the basketball world you know with Lakers fans but the Celtics have done things Thunder you could very smartly I could have said the Thunder I’m going to the Thunder as well they’re not there yet but they’re going to get there um you know there are a lot of teams who have just done smart things and built stuff in in in smart ways and they shouldn’t necessarily have to break it up just because it’s not even that the bills get too high like you know what you know your local hedge fund manager can decide whether or not they care about this or not it’s become so difficult to do anything you know like you know dra sign a minimum like you can’t do anything yeah and so that part of it I don’t like your other point though I mean like the criticism of the league for a long time has been that nobody cares about the basketball all they care about the rumors all they care about well okay so then you have to set up a a structure to where you know the the the rumors aren’t the thing that drives the league and it may not work for them very well maybe people may not maybe that’s why we’re seeing so much focus on too many three-pointers now or whatever it is but you kind of can’t have it both ways you can’t make it so the league is so dependent on the you know the online you know rumor culture driving it which I think I agree with is sort of ultimately not a healthy way to run a league um but then also be like well but now they’ve made it so PE there are fewer deals for people to latch on to that in theory should get them to watch the game more yeah yeah I it in theory we’ll see like it may not we’ll see mathematically to this point I don’t think it’s necessarily playing out that way um yeah I I I I don’t know Andy you think it’s good or bad for the league I can’t I I think it just is right now I generally speaking I think anything that gets in the way of creating great teams is not good for the league um I mean when you think about the history of the NBA and and what’s had residence and staying power Showtime Lakers Jordan Bulls these new Warriors you know the different incarnation of championship teams for Kobe like that required the ability to maneuver and you know sustained sustained greatness in team you know the heedles you know like sustained greatness of teams draws attention to the league like it gives you something to focus on and while you want to make sure that I mean you want to make sure that the the big Market leagues can’t just completely Bigfoot their way through this the flips side is any small Market owner went into this knowing they’re going to have an inherent disadvantage against the big Market teams either get into this or don’t and the idea whether you’re trying to safeguard small Market teams against big Market teams or in some way save owners from themselves and their own bad decisions I I think the more you put these type of limitations on the league the worse it is in terms of creating the thing that creates the most attract attraction attention in the first place I also feel like the league should inherently look to make it easier for teams to retain their own guys and build around their own guys or players that for all intents and purposes are their own guys like a Chris Middleton you know not that he’s at the level like a Hall of Fame all-time great but he has basically spent his entire career in Milwaukee other than one season you should you should want to be able to create Agency for the giannis’s and the steps and the Lucas or you know Kobe Duncan Durk back in the day you should you should want to make it easier to create those type of one team Superstars yeah because again I think that is good for the league you know yage right now with Denver I think it is good for the league when you start associating players with one particular team yeah I’ve for basically as long as I’ve done this I’ve always thought that the thing that league needs to consider is you know you let’s say they keep the max contract concept and then you know in the NBA now you have these supermax contracts if you qualify for them I think that gap between the Max and super max shouldn’t count against your cap so that you allow that team to bring in more uh Talent while retaining that that or if it’s your own guy at the very least like I I feel like you should you should reward teams for doing things correctly and if you are keeping a superstar in the fold for seven years 10 years you’re doing something right yeah and you should be held up as an example for other franchises to learn from so you start getting you know especially if if you’re looking to cut down on player migration then you should incentivize players wanting to stay where they are and in order to do that you want to make it so Superstars have a reasonable ability to be built around otherwise you’re you’re just sort of trapping them yeah well and the other inherent problem here is that like super te super teams Dynasty stuff like that that was such a a part of the NBA’s identity that now because like basically what what Adam Silver would prefers that we exist in an NFL world where things are a lot more level and uh in any given game you could see any team beat any team and all of that stuff um problem there is that like basketball is a very different sport from football football is inherently random that’s why they don’t play with the spherical ball and and you know two one football player outside of the quarterback doesn’t have the same impact as one basketball basketball player does um and and then you know three in the NBA those those dynasties are what Drew through fans casual fans to to the to the sport it’s not like you know I no Lakers fan just Tunes in for a buck Pistons game in the same way that like a Vikings fan will tune into a Thursday night game it just doesn’t happen and this hope that like all right we’re going to change all the rules and we’re going to make everybody a little bit more mediocre and level out that playing field just so that maybe just maybe we can get that kind of viewership I I just think it’s I also think I think it’s a con I think people talk about parody in the n either disingenuously or not really paying attention because as much as there can be fluidity between which teams are better year-to year it has basically been mahomes’s and Brady’s team uh league for like a decade plus like th those two guys have won the overwhelming majority of championships for over a decade so you are creating some degree of parody during a regular season that has much more exclusivity um scarcity in terms of the amount of games so it’s easier to turn into an event anyway but I mean look at the P look at the the Chiefs right now they don’t even look that good and for some reason they keep winning but isn’t that the idea isn’t that the ideal like you know you have a system where every year like you’re a Vikings guy Anthony like nobody thought the Vikings were GNA be good this year especially after McCarthy got hurt in training camp all of a sudden they’re great and like yeah it’s here’s this team that is going to be um totally you know a fan base that’s totally invested all year long that you know was expected to be a really down year they get to the playoffs maybe Jaylen Herz will knock him out maybe it’ll be Mom I don’t know but like it doesn’t matter if they get all the way through there because the regular season matters too and so I think like what’s happening it’s also easier to do with 17 games you know I I don’t know if the NBA wants I don’t think they necessarily don’t want I don’t think they care necessarily if the Celtics win three or four titles in a row um I think the question I have about all this stuff is like just you know it is a different Universe than when the Celtics of you know were winning the Lakers in the 80s and and then you know Lakers again in the 2000s and you know the Spurs Dynasty is that something that really excited people I mean everybody talked about how boring they were I I think what you need is a you know the the the huge criticism for the NBA’s the regular season is completely irrelevant yep so so you know look what’s happening in the western conference right now there are 12 teams even after they’ve expanded you know the what however you want to define the playoffs an opportunity to get in the playoffs there are 12 teams in the west that have are going to be able to be like we we can get in um and they’re not doing it like Eastern Conference style where we’re like 14 games under 500 but we’re still only you know two and a half games out of the but they can do something when they get there like team feel like if we just get there just get us there I mean me Sacramento is probably the worst of those teams right now certainly record-wise I think they are you know game under 500 whatever but like if you show up to the playoffs and you’ve got sabonis dearon Fox and Demar de rozan like you’re not a crappy team like you’re not a team that anybody can just you know kind of take for granted and walk over those are three really good players and so I I think the I think the league is in a bit of a in that that you try you’re trying to make your regular season relevant they’ve done that with the play in which has been I think a remarkable success um I think that’s been great for the league and I think the NBA cup is I don’t think it’s as exciting this year as last year but I you know it seems like it is going to be a thing that generates a little bit of interest from year to year um and and stuff like that I I think it’s stars like you just have to like we’re still stuck a little bit in that tweener phase where LeBron and KD and you know yanis is getting a little older Steph like they’re still the the sort of the stars that that move things around they’re but they’re not you know jic doesn’t have the same cache and you know younger guy I think they’re trying to do that with ant and it’s not totally working because he hasn’t quite ascended in in the way that so it’s I think it’s really about stars more than it is teams and Dynasty the the other thing too is a lot of this is at the end of the day about shifting and Anthony you brought this up uh a little bit at the beginning of this conversation a lot of this is just about shifting power back to owners as opposed to players because the reality is the showtime Lakers were a super team the 80s Celtics were a super team uh the Bulls were a super team the difference is it was just the the GMS and owners who essentially crafted those teams as opposed to player migration forcing it but the idea that the league somehow was more of a Level Playing Field in the 80s is a joke like that’s ridiculous like yeah it’s why I I lose patience sometimes when I hear some of the older players particularly ones on those type of teams talk about how you know they would have never teamed up it’s like you know you didn’t have to like you had everybody on your team like the eighth best player on those Celtics teams is in the Hall of Fame I mean like you know if magic was truly that competitive at some point he would have gone to Dr busz and said you know what trade worthy like this is too easy I I want challeng Hall of Fame for those yeah I mean like these super teams have always existed I think a lot of the sticking point is how they come about happening and that’s where a lot of this ends up taking place but and that that’s also the era that the NBA took off was dur with those super teams and again like I I just the biggest question but that’s BEC but is that because they were super teams or because Magic Johnson and Larry Bird were uniquely sort of marketable um with aner with an organic connection between them connection race all that stuff right you know Boston versus you know East Coast West Coast white guy black guy you know Hollywood you know old Rivalry reignited Boston like there was that wouldn’t have been the same if it was the Pacers box Sons right yeah were certainly there were certainly like factors there but I I I just it’s every every era of growth that we have seen has been spurned has been has been you know the foundation was laid by its star and the super team that that star played on and now we’re going to this era where it’s like no actually joic is have you seen the season that is having and it’s barely to get his team to the seven seed right now it’s like yeah we have we have these great players we have these talents that are putting up these insane individual lines and stuff like that but because of the CBA it’s going to make it really really difficult for them to actually play on a team that um moves the needle outside of their market and we saw how local localization hurt baseball you know and and I think you know making everybody a little bit mediocre of the economics of baseball as a league pretty healthy well you for one guy for or for two guys you know League League’s profitable well no but I but you go try to go go put a baseball team up for sale and see that’s why fiser doesn’t want to sell the thing you know and as crappy as an owner as he is he’ll take the thing to Sacramento and play in front of 14,000 people for three years while they build them a stadium in Las Vegas because nobody wants to get rid of one of these things they’re they’re they print money the league is also forcing him to pay up to get to the uh to the salary floor and he still won’t he’s a terrible owner but the point is he’s still holding on to the team it’s like but again I go I’ll go back to my my original Point like you kind of can’t have it both ways like you can’t say that the league at the same time all anybody cares about a trade rumors and nobody cares about the regular season and none of this stuff matters and all we do is you know it’s a it’s a studio host league and nobody cares about the games and then get mad now I think they need to tweak the CB I think what you guys were talking about before like okay how can we incentivize keeping our own guys but make it so you can still make a trade it’s Pro it is too restrictive at the top now yeah um but you also you know don’t want two or three teams just gobbling up everything I mean some degree of of dexterity ought to be required there’s a middle ground I think they’ll find it I also think one of the things that makes it also more difficult to maneuver to be totally honest is SuperStar salaries now are so big like they I mean going up it it yeah they’re only going up like I know it’s always been relative to a cap but it in terms of just finding salaries to add up to make these things it’s much easier to move a star player like a legit star player making $112 million a year you know back when I mean I wanted I think that was roughly when Pal Gasol got acquired by the Lakers I I’ll check this in real time but I think he was making like 13 or 14 a year 12 like something like that because you know kwami Brown’s expiring deal was only like $8 million and that was the majority of the money like it is much easier even again acknowledging the cap is all relative to make those type of deals when you just have to add up to 12 as opposed to add up to 45 like that’s why that’s why you see a lot of teams now I think signing those like Andrew nard kind of deals of like 20 million or like 18 million 20 million 22 you need those slot I think what’s ultimately going to happen in teams like the Lakers I am fascinated as to you know especially if the current regime stays in power for a little while and um as Andy and I like to say Rob pink has got the hardest easiest job in the world because it’s a really hard job and it’s like he’s put himself in a really difficult position to try to fix it except it’s an easy job because apparently can’t get fired so um in that sense it’s quite easy but pal was making about 13.7 by the way just for reference that’s much easier to create a trade around it is and I just think what is ultimately going to happen is teams it’s not just the Superstar salaries are really really high I think what they’re finding is the return on the Superstar salaries at 50 60 7 when they’re 33 34 35 36 aren’t high enough and so you’re teams stop having struggling more maybe not about signing their own guys but like Jimmy Butler becomes available or Jimmy Butler’s a free agent he’s got three years left Zack LaVine is playing very well right now and he’s a relatively young guy he’s got an injury history and all this other stuff but like from a I mean from a player stand the way he’s playing right now he could help a lot of teams including the Lakers but teams are really reticent to take on that money and I think you’re just going to see and this is I think the idea teams are going to be less comfortable giving full Max extensions to James Harden going forward certainly if he’s not already on your team nobody’s gonna bring him in to do it you might be the Clippers and be completely stuck and have to but um that those kinds of deals I think are G to go and they didn’t do that with him they didn’t give him four years yeah they it used to be if you were the best or second best player on your team you got your max contract cont that was just it was just assumed and I think now we’re actually seeing negotiation there for yeah you know for for players who are not only the best or second best player on their team but they aren’t the top eight top 10 Harden got and Harden got two in 70 and you know he’s he’s not the James Harden of his prime but he’s still a pretty good player driving reason that team is above 500 yeah I we’re seeing it with Brandon Ingram right like Ingram is a very good player he is either the best or second best player on that team I would probably say best just because Zion is never healthy and they’re looking to trade him because they aren’t going to give him his max or or they’re going to negotiate a two-year Max rather than the full four-year deal that you would just walk into the office and sign before and uh we’ll see how that turns out but would but to your to your previous Point like if that starts to become more the norm 2 years 35 even if it’s two years 100 you know two two in one for a guy who’s 28 29 years old or whatever it might be that should if you can kind of loosen up a little bit of the restrictions at the top end that actually should encourage movement because nobody’s gonna be on the hook for super duper long you know you know you’ll have an opportunity to resign like you know you get good players ought to be moving around a little bit I just think we’re at a weird point right now where we’re between two systems and people aren’t calibrated for very few teams seem like they saw this coming in a meaningful way and prepared their roster accordingly including um the Lakers which is weird because they’re usually really good at planning ahead for stuff like this I just I’m surprised um we were supposed to be talking about the names that could be attached to the Lakers here so I’m guessing we’ll do that on the second half of this home and home on your guys’ show or whatever it is that you guys want to talk about um I do really want really quickly want to talk we’ll we’ll talk in more General sense um and if we have a little bit of time we we’ll get to maybe some specific names but I think first and foremost because I see a whole bunch of and what I’ll probably do is I’ll probably stick around and answer some of the starred comments um after we’re done here I can hang out a little bit Brian has to go early me but I can hang out a little bit after I also sorry Bill I have a call here at noon but I’ll talk to you when I can but but like I’ll um but yeah I I uh I think the first thing that the Lakers if the Lakers are going to get serious about movement at the deadline moving as we approach the deadline trade movement in general first things first they’re going to have to open up some Breathing Room between them and the second apron um not just because you know ownership doesn’t want to go into the second apron but because of all the things like we’ve mentioned over the course of this conversation that you cannot do in the second apron um aggregating players is something that is kind of important in trades and if you’re above the second apron you can’t do that um so uh I think first and foremost whether it’s making an imbalanced trade where you send out more money than you take in or you send a Maxwell Lewis or uh one of your minimum guys or a couple of your minimum guys into some cap space or whatever so that you can get right now they have about $30,000 cap uh of space between them and the second apron and that is just not nearly enough to be um to to be flexible enough to do what they want I think to do um do you think though because that that just adds to the amount of capital it does to do anything in this trade market Andy do you think this team like not even taking into account what it would cost to get a Doran finny Smith a cam Johnson let alone a Jimmy Butler or Zack LaVine but on top of it the extra cost of moving second round draft Capital to give yourself the opportunity to be you know flexible enough there do you think this team as it’s currently composed is good enough to do all of that work for they’re on the border I think that you could talk yourself into doing it but if you look at it objectively they are I think somewhere between a solid to good team with an occasionally high ceiling and a floor that is lower at times than they needed to be the the other real issue though I think and this is something I talk about all the time on locked on Lakers and Lakers talking whatnot as much as Rob palinka has made many mistakes since taking over basketball Ops were I Genie bus I would move on because I think the Lakers can do better or at the very least I would bring in more outside help for him outside counil that sort of stuff the one part of Rob’s job that I think is legitimately difficult that people don’t recognize enough is building around LeBron James at this stage of his career with concessions that are required at LeBron’s current price point that is legitimately difficult and we are seeing as the years go on even again acknowledging the mistakes that Rob has to own however good you think Rob is or is not at doing this job it is not easy to account for $49 million for a player that you’re trying to take as much off his plate as possible for an entire season the way energy has to be conserved entirely almost entirely on the defensive end while playing 35 minutes a night and even if you try to reduce his minutes like there’s a Baseline for how much you need LeBron on the floor just to make both the team work but also you’re starting to look to play him like 22 24 minutes a night then why is he on this team like at that point he’s basically the Lakers in a lot of ways want to have LeBron operate as their second best player like a high you know 2A while at the same time giving him the responsibilities of like your fourth best player in a perfect world and that that’s very difficult to do at $49 million a year yeah they got they got to figure out a way to get him to be able he’s got to be a he’s got to play 33 minutes a game 32 33 34 minutes a game and then so I just think it’s it’s a it’s a question we talk a lot about this for today’s show like you just how do you navigate what was it seven games in 11 days that they just finished or eight and 12 I forget what it was but um it was a lot and it was a little bit more than normal like even a guy like LeBron you get used to I’m sure the every other day Cadence of the NBA the sort of normal every other day wears on him more than it might wear on other players but the body’s used to it it’s when you start adding those two other games in that same stretch or three you know on the back like that’s when it starts to I think really pile up in ways that he’s like ah like that’s that’s a little much they have to figure out they can’t I don’t know how many more stretches like that they have this season but they’re gonna have to manage those differently and that’s just how it is I they’re not good like I think Oklahoma City is good they’re not good like you know Memphis I think is is good you know even like a team like Houston Dallas after kind of a shaky start really seems to have gotten back into last year’s form the if they they didn’t obviously but like you could look at a negative 3.7 Point differential um with them two games over 500 and as an eight seed and if they had won the Atlanta game and won the Orlando game you could say oh they they’re 15 and nine and you know a five seed I think that would make them and yes they would have basically the same negative Point differential because they’ve gotten blown out of so many I was going to say or if they just lose some of these games by 15 as opposed to like 41 no I’m just saying win the game you Lo win the game game you lost by one and win the game you lost by two um and and it becomes just a very different conversation because it’s like are you the team that has won some of these games or you just when you lose you get throttled but it doesn’t really matter if you get beat by four or 40 like it’s um I just their depth is not good and so I think how do you I mean Anthony I don’t know if you have any ideas I don’t know how you can trade for better depth when you need to trade your depth your they have all of their contracts you know other than I guess maybe Gabe Gabe is like a Gabe Vincent’s like a midsize contract and and I don’t think he has a natural place on this team but everybody else who is a midsize is contract you know whether you’re talking about DLo whether you’re talking about ruy you know a theoretically healthy Jared van Vil who for the time being I think is completely untradeable like you you you’re gonna have to use all of your draft Capital just to move fando forget the return yeah but like these are not Expendable players these are not like last year people looked at what Dallas did and I saw a lot of Laker fans complaining why why didn’t the Lakers just do that well because everybody Dallas moved was either outside their rotation or Grant Williams who they wanted to hell off that team like they didn’t move anybody who mattered like D’Angelo Russell for all of his flaws and they are real he matters on this team and you can look at basically every single bit of data uh lineup combinations whatever they are better when D’s on the court and and I think a lot of it boils down to nothing hurts this team more than having to defend and transition nobody on this team handles the ball more certainly as a guard or a playmaker while turning it over less than DLo so he puts them he puts them in precarious situations their worst situations less than anybody on this team it’s crazy to think about though because like his turnovers I think freak freak out fans more than any others because Extremely Loud exactly like the one at the end of the half the other night um where that turned into that you the last section three-pointer like where he just sort of Hucks the ball down and DLo everything DLo does will piss off Laker fans because he’s been polarizing since the moment he entered the league but like you can’t just move DLo like willy-nilly like it it matters like he he provides an important role in this team particularly when Austin Reed is a good player he is not as good at the thing they want him to do be a full-time point guard as they’ve clearly set up the roster to be the reality is they’re trying to move de they’re trying to move DLo away from his strengths and Austin further from his those strengths right like and and both guys are more qualified to do the thing that the Lakers don’t seem to want them to do and I think it’s in part because they they love both the value and the story of Reeves and I think they want to get as much credit as possible for Reeves and and have that you know be on the resume as opposed to just use both guys the way they’re best suited yeah well I had that I had that question asked of me I don’t know if I got to it in yesterday’s mailbag but it was like are the Lakers actually good enough to do the thing that you’ve been asking them to do with with the D all year where like they’re trying to wean themselves off of DLo and it’s like clearly not you know cuz I I don’t think like you you guys are talking about it’s a coincidence that he has the plus minus number we tried to tell you Anthony huh we tried to tell you I never thought on DLo Island we try we TR lonely ass Island man it’s just us quitting quitting caffeine quitting cigarettes like that’s a difficult thing to do it’s it’s going to it was just supposed to be a three-hour tour but here we are it’s still um Brian you you had mentioned that you got to get going and Andy if you want to take off too I have to I have some starred comments here that I’m gonna answer but if uh if you guys want to hang out cool if not I’ll hang out for a few and then I’ll go all right so uh we only have three of them um it does however mean that I get to play this thing which I’m not sure you guys have heard on the show [Music] yet that’s my reward for the starred comments um Ry guys starts us off with the Lakers have to do something maybe Jimmy is what they need purely from a man that f up cultural standpoint they are embarrassing Rob man the thing the thing about Jimmy Butler is that like all right if you bring him into to like impact your culture he’s coming from a place with inherent culture and they’re kicking him out if they trade him so like I don’t know if Jimmy is like the culture guy that they need if any the the thing that he would bring is that he would call LeBron on his stuff but I don’t know I I don’t see they might have to move LeBron to make this trade happen I did get that there was a comment in here just swap Jimmy for LeBron and see how it goes can we just put a moratorium on acquiring players from Miami yeah just don’t good don’t do it just don’t it’s sort like just don’t I like maybe it seems like a good idea it’s not a good idea don’t do it just don’t do you guys think like Pat has like a button he presses on his guys and he’s like oh chips when you go to Miami part of the cultur is they put a chip in you yeah and when you leave they detonate the chip the next one here also from Ry guy writes let’s say Miami accepts uh DLo ruy hay Gabe and a first um and a couple first swaps you’re not doing that if you’re La uh that might be the best kind of deal Miami gets for Jimmy Butler I think they’d probably get more I think they would they would certainly get more I’m not even sure you can do that but like given all that does that make the Lakers better Dow ruy Hayes Gabe and a first I wouldn’t Miss Hayes wouldn’t really miss you can’t I it’s hard to trade both Gabe and dowlo and not get a point guard back correct even even forward like Jimmy who moves the ball well yeah uh I I don’t well for one thing I don’t think Miami accepts that deal I think they would get more than that for Jimmy Butler and secondly to your point Brian I I I don’t know if that would make that would move the needle now that’s the type of move I could see this front office making um you know because they could they could you know sell it as as as a needle mover but I think that just you know I guess Ian the other question you have to ask too is do you want to be in the Jimmy Butler business long term because at least next year at least next year at like 52 mil or so or extending Jimmy nobody but you know what I’m saying like you start getting into a situation where you are potentially moving a lot of capital for a 35y old guy with an injury history of his own like in a perfect world whoever you bring in you need to feel confident they’re going to be able to supplement the games that you might have to take off for LeBron or maybe even ad it’s like one of the reasons why when people bring up like wanting a backup big or another big and they bring up Robert Williams I’m like that that makes no sense I would rather if I have to do that deal I would rather do something that comprehensive for LaVine because he’s six years younger yeah and I don’t want to do deal you know like you know Ingram I think even though he’s currently hurt so he’s always hurt yeah I love B but he’s always hurt the last one here uh Ry guy also asks dude ryy you’re gonna buy a house off Ry guy my guy Ry guy uh LBJ wants Ry does for a living like where does he getable income you just buy comments frivolously uh take making it rain over here he’s buying lap dance comments over here gez think of the children ryy think of my children you guys stop ruining this for me Fair Point uncle ryy wants to know sending sending miles to college um but no so I this was one of the things that I had kind of Unearthed in my because I wrote about the whole trade LeBron thing that has been a uh conversation started the last couple days and one of the things that I was kind of interested or what I was um intrigued to hear about was how there are some people close to the Lakers who believe that uh you know LeBron was willing to take a pay cut this year maybe he opts out of his contract and he’s open to do that all you know do that go through all of that again potenti next year with a different crop of free agents um I have heard that he really really really wants to win a championship in LA with bronny on the team that that’s like the last thing that he like you know that would be the last box that he would check off of his career and he would ride off into the sunset as soon as that would be that would be done um is that something though that you can factor into any of the arithmetic that you would be doing if you trade TR for Jimmy Butler and LeBron’s like all right you got me Jimmy Butler I’ll take a little bit less this upcoming offseason maybe it gives us some more breathing room after you get I feel like it’s got to be a more sign I mean look I’m not telling LeBron what to do with his money I’m just say in terms of making this math work it’s got to be a more significant and more flexible pay cut like the guys reportedly on LeBron’s list from last year and I’ve asked around about this like it was my understanding but it was also like these are guys like there’s not really any wiggle room it’s these guys James Harden was never a real possibility like look at what he got offered from the Clippers like that was not a thing the Lakers certainly tried to overpay the hell out of Klay Thompson um it wasn’t for a lack of effort but yeah the the minations for getting clay to this team Thea sign and trade were always going to be super difficult especially after we saw the Warriors didn’t want to take back any money they wanted to create an exception and I’ll be honest from Valen tunes’ perspective if you just want to be playing and raise your market value for your next best contract or you just like being on the court the Wizards are a bad as they are a better opportunity for him to play like he’s going to get less playing time with the Lakers which is why I I I have no information about this whatsoever I’m just I don’t think it’s impossible to believe that the reason the Lakers didn’t give valent chunis is valent chunis prefer the wizard situation for for him to at least play if LeBron is going to take a pay cut it can’t be I’ll take a pay cut for these three guys and if we don’t get them I’m basically taking a full boat up to what keeps you under the second apron by 30 grand and I mean again I’m not I’m not being critical of LeBron I’m just saying that is functionally not really a pay cut like in terms of how much it really helps the Lakers he can take whatever money he wants he’s entitled to get what he can get I’m just saying that’s not really a thing yeah the valent Tunis thing like from what I’ve been told it was uh he he was not comfortable waiting for the clay decision and given how money was drying up around free agency last year I totally understand it he took the money that he got in Washington and the Lakers were content waiting for clay and they just struck out on clay and uh they wind up missing out like they were trying to give Klay crazy money and they I mean klay’s fitting in nicely in Dallas he’s not setting the world on fire yeah I mean would you want to be on the hook for that if you’re the Lakers I mean it’s different if you’re Dallas you’re a contending team like like what the what on Earth would Lakers would be no better off with Klay Thompson now if they had Klay on the team I don’t I don’t think they really significantly better not not materially better but yeah I don’t know if it would be enough to pay somebody 20 million bucks a year you know for the the next four yeah that part 20 million bucks this year fine yeah I was on board with that yeah 48 I think that the math that they were hope they were doing is that you know the cap was going to be going up so 20 million bucks then won’t hurt nearly as much as as it would under this structure but it be 60 at you know uh guys this has been an absolute blast and I can’t wait to do it again uh later this evening I will be recording uh locked on Lakers with you guys for the second part of this home and home thing this this joke has been bouncing around in my head so I I just have to tell it if one of us drops out of like this and we are not able to do a home would that make that person a home and home wrecker is that how that would go not bad not bad on that note all right that’s all for me have a great rest of your day everybody make somebody else’s and check out uh myself and the cinet skki brothers on lock on Lakers a little bit later tonight have a good one [Music] everybody bye everyone

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