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good morning ladies and gentlemen welcome to the hardwood Nation Podcast with your boy C Anthony and my main man Bryce Ward happening we had a lot of rumors going on this week Bryce beginning yeah today’s the 15th of December trades are able to start today um you know become finalized today we had a couple of Trades this week little trades I think that was talked about uh but the beginning of the week started with Jimmy Butler’s name all in the [ __ ] news with this statement from sham saying that you know the heater open to trade Butler so yeah you know I was I mailed it down you know I sent you all this [ __ ] on Twitter um but I did some research so before I get into that when I when I first melt it down when you first saw this this news what did you think I said camera’s wrong and I wanted to get your reaction because for me it was more of like um a matter I think I TW this to you it was a matter of when not if I just didn’t know when I thought they’d make it to the season or something like that this is what I’m going to say and I specifically saved my comment for this podcast I will go on record and say unequivocally the Miami Heat are not trading Jimmy Butler this season okay um with that said Jimmy is a troll and Jimmy did troll a lot of people with changing his hairstyle this week since some of the teams that was in this report um Jimmy’s but Jimmy Butler Jimmy’s agent even came out and disputed the report which I thought was fantastic did you did you even see that yeah I also saw Sha’s reaction to that basically saying um everything I heard or everything I said’s been vetted and I’m a professional so he he basic he basically argued back saying no what I said is true so this is what I have to say again the Miami Heat are not going to trade both there’s a couple of reasons why one we’re fifth in the East and we’re like one game or two games behind the third position in the East say they say Jimmy wants to go to a contender well if you go out west like Phoenix it’s gonna be tougher than it is in each of conference secondly for everyone who says Jimmy can walk Jimmy can walk in the off season but he can only walk if he takes a smaller contract no no stars walk anymore it’s all they always lose money but so I don’t believe that I don’t believe right so if he wants a bigger contract it has to be assigned a trade with Miami so we still determine that we have a little little bit of power there three and this is just me personally I know a lot of fans aren’t like this whatever the Miami Heat decide to do I’m with it 1,00% it’s about the the name on the front of the Jersey versus the name on the back of the Jersey but I don’t believe that we’re going to trade Jimmy Butler especially and you’re gonna be surprised with the play of Tyler herro right now the game we played against Cleveland Sunday um I was there and I was nervous the whole game CU well not the whole game but I was nervous is going into the game like God I kicked this game to go to Cleveland’s at that time they were the number one team in the NBA so I’m like okay every time I go to [ __ ] Miami spend thousands of dollars to get down there tickets hotels whatever they lose they won and they won convincingly like it wasn’t like they led the whole game so it’s like wow Miami’s on a four game winning streak so it’s like even though this trade news came out in the middle of this we’re playing our best basketball right now so I’m just like okay I don’t think they’re gonna make a move right now now they they made a little move and traded Thomas Bryant to Indiana but that’s to give our Ricky more playing time but Jimmy’s not going to be traded the he gonna be fine kudos to Tyler herro and my girlfriend the whole game she was just looking because Tyler herro in up with 37 points I mean 34 points his career high was 41 and I was sitting there she was like Tyler’s really playing good I’m like okay I’m not gonna give him credit until he gets his career on which he didn’t do but his points Tyler Hero’s points this year are so much more impactful than they’ve ever been like he’s not stat packing he’s scoring when we need him to score he’s the leadest scorer on the team dare I say right now he’s the best player on the team I have ripped Tyler hero for the entirety of his career uh I think I think rookie year you were you were pretty high on him but the transition is happening where Tyler hero is the goto guy bam start off slow hitting the stride now is the second guy and Jimmy is the third guy which is what he all always wanted to be Jimmy’s not trying to go to a team where he has to be the guy so I think with Tyler Hero’s maturation this year they’re not GNA make it they’re not going to shake that up they’re gonna give it one more year they’re not gonna shake it up so with that said do you think they trade them at the the trade deadline or do you think they let Jimmy walking OB um I think I think if they don’t keep him they do a signing trade um next off season or so yeah yeah yeah got and he’s played this year he hasn’t missed games because he wanted to he’s Miss because he was he had to like that’s the thing Jimmy Butler’s good and all but like he’s missed games in the playoffs when y’all needed him the most you know what I mean he was hurt D though he was hurt yeah no I’m not arguing that I’m saying it hasn’t worked out for one reason or another even legit reason so it’s like it got to a point because Jimmy Butler is getting up there in his career there’s only so much time left if you’re going to make a move you’re going to do it soon that’s that was my kind of thing and so it doesn’t have to be this season but I still stand by I think this will be if they don’t win a championship which I don’t think they will but they don’t go too far if they don’t go far enough in the playoffs then I think offseason signing trade makes sense there’s one thing one more thing I want to address before we move to the next topic two finals appearances in six years could have been three we missed one shot at the end of a game seven that could have gave us three finals appearances in six years since Jimmy Butler’s been as I was driving home from Miami you know you you and Michael want to debate this this [ __ ] in our fantasy group chat I never said LeBron James wasn’t a great Miami Heat player I’ve never said that I agree with I agree with Michael that 2012 LeBron James was the most dominant LeBron James we’ve ever seen so I agree with that Dwayne Wade is the greatest Miami Heat player because of longevity he was with us the longest even Alonzo Morning played with us longer than LeBron James did Jimmy Butler has now been in Miami longer than LeBron James so I’m not disputing that the best version of LeBron James wasn’t in Miami because it was the the absolute best version of LeBron James was in Miami but I will say this I don’t know if it will ever happen if Jimmy Butler gets one Championship with Miami I would put him above LeBron James as far as his impact with Miami because he did more with less than what LeBron James did so if I had to rank the top three players in Miami Heat history is Dwayne Wade LeBron James and Alonzo morning but and it’s a big if if Jimmy is to get a championship with with Miami Jimmy would be Jimmy would be second because like I said he did more with less so I just wanted to address most of that was me just like uh trolling trolling sometimes you’ll just you’ll say one little thing and I go like demonize and I’ll just say I go I know this will bother him if I say this so I just go down that path part but I also made the joke outside of the group chat I said at this point he would probably put Haslam over LeBron no but it’s still stands to me I see all the reasons why way is the number one yeah but in terms of championships and then on top of it outside popularity I don’t think there’s any question as to who has brought the most fans to Miami because that’s by far LeBron that’s fine and I’ll address that too um when I KN when I said he was he was the greatest Heat player of all time I knew there was both an argument you can make if you wanted to but then also that it was just gonna like it was just stick in your head you’re like no no no no I made two more points and then we gotta move on um I don’t remember what game it was but man one day I was watching the game and LeBron was just going ballistic and I was like goddamn this [ __ ] is the greatest player I’ve ever seen in my life right um but also I’ll say this if it wasn’t for the 2006 Championship that was on the back of the Wayne Wade say that if it wasn’t for that the argument would be closer but only because of that is not um last thing the truth the uh statue looks better in person okay so I I Will Never back down on my opinion on that thing looks better it looks better in person okay you can deal with ugly better in person that’s what I’ll say about anything about anything ugly is better in person all right no it look it looks awful okay One More Story sorry so I slipped out of the bedroom because like the whole time from where I was I’m not GNA say where I was but from where I was I could see everything going on at the arena so like the whole weekend people were there taking pictures so I woke up it was after the podcast after we recorded last week I was looking out the window I’m like okay no one’s there so I slipped out the bedroom I didn’t even tell my lady I was going I like good I’m gonna be down there by myself so just just in case if I get there and I cry like a little [ __ ] no one would see me right so I walk up to the Statue I start taking a picture and then I hear a voice behind me it’s like can you take my picture I’m like the [ __ ] it was a British voice this is white I was like damn I’m not by myself so I can’t like cry like a [ __ ] right so I took his pictures with the Statue and he was like do you want me to take your picture with statue I was like no absolutely not I’m good so and then he asked me about how the heat was doing this year and I told him it was pretty neat so he was like yeah I’m going to the game tonight I was like okay well we should win because we had beat Phoenix the night before um but I didn’t get a chance to emote the way that I wanted to because I still couldn’t get a moment with the Statue by myself it’s okay so with that said we’re going to move right along you asked me the other day who is truly the next face of the League this is officially the transition from LeBron to whose nose but the throne is truly up for grabs so I’m going to answer it and then I’ll let you do your answers I have two oh real quick can I get to like what really got me to want to ask that question absolutely absolutely shoot um not that Golden State’s not playing good and not that you know they couldn’t have a good playoff and even possibly I mean win a championship I think that’s I think that’s far-fetched but I’m not saying it’s not in play kind of thing so I was thinking the last time we saw LeBron or Steph won a championship really not that long ago but we were definitely kind of surprised at when those championships came um they really haven’t been title favorites or you know title or heavy title contenders since then there’s been something going on kind of every year of course there’s all there’s reasons for every team to not but LeBron for the first time has people talking about how much he should be playing and stuff um he’s still putting up impressive numbers especially for his age but it’s not translating to winning basketball the way it used to I think the way Steph Curry plays and him just being slightly younger it’s like he has a little he has a few more years where he can still be the kind of guy that the team operates around I think that has to do with like I said his style of play more than anything but and the fact that he’s the best of that in the league playing that way shooting threes but it just kind of hit me I was like we’ve seen LeBron and Golden State SL step win a championship each in the last five years but more than ever it seems unlikely that that’s going to happen again and so we’ve seen Boston win with Tatum and brown we’ve seen the Bucks win with yanis and we’ve seen Denver win behind yic and you know Murray yeah and so it just seems like especially with the way the standings are going and the way the teams are looking this year Curry Golden State and LeBron they’re not winning a championship this year um so we’re going to have another team it could very well be Boston again but we’re most likely going to see another two different teams in the finals two different teams are going to have a chance last year Dallas had a chance we’re seeing these teams with different top what 10 players you say top eight probably be a little closer but these teams would not LeBron not Steph but these other top players in the league go and win championships and we’re not seeing the same teams every year it’s just it’s Dawning on me more than ever I said this is this is what it must have felt like when Michael retired because the way the guys are staying in the league now they’re still here but they’re not they’re not dominating so it’s really it feels like what what it must have felt like after MJ just was like I’m out and then you’re left with all these teams that are all good lots of stars in the league but who fits all the molds right to take over as like a face because apparent really the NBA NBA I think more than other sports maybe soccer is you know up there too it’s like you really need an IT guy and that it guy I think has to win championships or MVPs to to kind of go along with it you really have to win titles with so many teams winning titles no one’s stringing together a good run of titles it’s like who who is going to be the next guy because you have to be able to win not just one Championship but multiple championships to be the next face so I was like I really don’t know who that’s going to be and so I was like it just really all kind of hit me at once I was like the next couple years it’s really up for grabs and I think whoever went WIS champ whoever can win multiple championships kind of going to force their their face up there more got so when when you I always get personal I don’t care some my podcast when you text me this I was getting dinner driving to get dinner with my lady I read it like Bryon gonna be shocked with what I say with this I I will backtrack just a little bit and I will say that LeBron James hasn’t been relevant since Steph Curry started winning championships the reason why I say that is because when I go to basketball courts all these little people were playing like Ste more so than playing like LeBron okay the three-point shot is just that’s just it right now right or wrong is just it so LeBron outside of the bubble Championship which they won fair and square LeBron James hasn’t been relevant as far as the face of the league since the Golden State Warriors started winning championships how many times Golden State have to go through LeBron for a championship well they they faced each other I believe three times and Golden State won twice okay I think that helps I think that helps cement Golden State’s Legacy as well right so that’s when Steph kind of transition because if you look at LeBron championships and look at steps they’re the same they both have four champ championships but Steph had to go through LeBron twice to get you know a couple of those Rings actually yeah I think they beat him three times I think the Golden State Warriors beat LeBron three times and then the fourth time they beat uh Boston I had to looked that up but he might have beat LeBron like no they beat the r fa him three times you had it right right okay so with so with that said I think the transition started happening then now Steph’s older of course LeBron’s older KD is older okay if you were to asked me this question last season which I think we did talk about this last season I would have said Anthony Edwards is the guy but he’s not the guy he’s second right now because of Jason Tatum winning Championship with the Boston Celtics last year he’s the front runner um he has that he’s the champ until someone beats them so Jason Tatum right now is the face of the league is he having a standout season no but he has the most important thing of all the new young guys he’s the first to W to winning Championship now last year I dragged Luca all year I RI I said I don’t want to hear about Luca unless he goes to the finals and guess what he did he got that I even picked him to win but he didn’t win so right now Jason Tatum is the face of the leag if I had to pick a number two guy it would be Anthony Edwards number three is Luca what do you got well also I want to tweak that question a little bit more than okay who do you think it doesn’t have to be this year who do you think though becomes the next face of the league that isn’t just the face for a year two it’s who do you think has the legit chance to replace LeBron or Steph or Kobe or Jordan as like a more longterm who do you think has the best future because in terms of that question I think it’s ant but he to win he had yeah that’s what is that’s what I was mostly getting at is the reason why it can be Tatum for a few years is is more of a holding place he’s not he’s not the he’s not the face in terms of what I’m thinking about long term I think the next longterm guy who dominates is going to be Ant or at least he’s the one who meets all the criteria for it if he doesn’t win a championship it won’t matter if it if he doesn’t win some MVPs it’s not gonna matter so he still has a lot of things to do but he has also it’s like even you have to like we talked about you have to be from here because there’s there’s the it’s almost a different conversation if you want to say best foreign player as well and and a foreign player can be the face of the league but not in terms of how I see it long term and then on top of it style of play is important so like jokic I think you could argue jokic is the best player in the league every year him winning a championship was huge for his legacy but like he’s not the exciting guy to watch and of course he’s not from so there’s there’s a few things it’s like the reason ant seems like the no-brainer question to me is because he’s exciting he’s exciting to see in interviews he’s exciting to watch play um he has the right attitude and what we’re looking at for like not just a star but like a polarizing like ascending basketball star um that’s why it’s hard for me to get behind Tatum uh he he doesn’t he he’s not matching my eye test as well it’s not that he’s not exciting to watch play at times or if you have him in fantasy he’s he’s amazing but it’s just like he didn’t win finals MVP either I I know other guys haven’t you know the the Iguodala over Curry one like sometimes we get into some some Realms that are kind of like well what it doesn’t make sense a lot of sense I mean I get why and maybe it’s like oh you can only win that thing that specific trophy so many times I mean that’s really why embiid got the MVP almost over jokic I mean you can make arguments but jokic should be the MVP right now like every year it it just makes sense kind of I’m just saying there’s certain like guys who win so much that you feel like you have to give someone else a chance but that’s not the case right now with anybody besides Tatum and he he’s not necessarily that polarizing are who who you want to watch interview either like there’s just there’s certain eye tests that Tatum doesn’t match or situation test that Tatum doesn’t match for my taste in ter in terms of what I think truly the next like big face of the NBA is going to be it if I had to and this is more predicting than saying who it is right now I think an has everything he needs but he’s got to go win um possibly win some MVPs as well which isn’t going to be easy with guys like jokic and Luca and Shay coming up um I think ant has the best I think he has the best frame and game and attitude to do it he’s just got to go out and win that’s going to be the hardest part he has to mature off the court now as far as Tatum any big company who had to build a perfect employee or the perfect player it would be Jason D and Jason Tatum reminds me of a young Kobe a number eight Kobe not number 24 Kobe but a number eight Kobe the cookie cutter great husband father you know you got deuce on TV all the [ __ ] time right that’s what Tatum is right now but when we met the real Kobe after that [ __ ] rape allegation then Kobe came back in 24 that’s when we saw the real Kobe who didn’t give a [ __ ] right um that’s the Kobe people because see when Kobe first was in the league people didn’t [ __ ] with Kobe people didn’t like Kobe at all but after the [ __ ] that happened he changed his number cut his hair off that’s when people started [ __ ] with Kobe when we saw the real Kobe I don’t know if the Jason Tatum we seen that we’re seeing now is not the real Jason AD I don’t think he has another Plateau to hit but as far as the safe person to pick to be the next base of the league is him he has everything he’s the safest pick right he’s the sa right now here so as great as Anthony Edwards is because I can go back where they pitted Allan Iverson versus Kobe Bryan where Alan ivson was a bad guy Kobe Bryant was a good guy right that’s how it used to be before the number changed anony Edwards he he’s a dog but he would have to raise his level of Darkness times like a hundred to break that Plateau he has to force his way he’s in the conversation but it’s not even close Jason Tatum’s like right here as far as Corporate America and then uh Anthony ‘s like right here he has to man look that if we throw foreign players is Luca and ant on the same level no Luca right now was number four in the west your boy Tatum is number seven Luca’s been to a finals even though they they fell off Luca’s me so he if we if we include foreign players Luca has the advantage but I will also say this the NBA is begging and pleading for Wendy I know be the next guy now San Antonio has not Unleashed him yet still admitted they don’t call it a minutes restriction Wy doesn’t play a lot of minutes okay they’re they’re bringing him along and right as slowly as possible the NBA is begging for Wendy to be Unleashed because that’s the guy they want because the NBA wants an international guy to be they they want an international guy that’s what they want it’s fine it’s cool Luca is not it’s not the sexy pick I’m forgive me joic is not the sexy Pi no Luca is a little more sexier than you know and I’m not talking about looks or anything but just a little more sexier than joic so joic is not that sexy pick even though he’s like the best player in the league right now right they won’t Wendy now we don’t know when the spur you know pops going now you know he may come back later but we don’t know when the Spurs are gonna unleash wmy to where he can play the majority of a full game so right now is when Anthony Edwards needs to make that move but they’ve got off to a rough start he’s also he’s young he is he is and very young he is he’s like 21 he’s he’s young yeah I think he’s older than that isn’t he is he 22 I mean PA just turned 21 you know hold on 20 at least 22 if not 23 hold on Google it right um but when I was thinking about this question I I guess I should done predict more the future face because I think um it’s so up for grabs that it’s not going to be solidified until one of these younger guys comes of age if that makes sense and then if that’s the case and they have to be domestic for the question too then it’s ants it’s ants all day but did you happen to see how old he was he just turned 23 in August okay so an number one uh I know who you you thought I would take for this question at some point and it’s definitely if in terms of how I wanted to frame it yeah I do believe Paulo could be in that conversation in the distant future okay okay that’s all I’m saying is he has the parameters for what I’m looking for but and you kind of brought it up with Kobe my Dark Horse and it and it all all the young guys have to prove themselves still even even aunt who’s at the top of that list for me but depending on who can win and with the league being so up for grabs in my opinion compared to other other runs by great players I think John Morant has the opportunity to be that face of the leag because because of his his play style If he if if if they stayed healthy and mempis could win games could legitimately win like playoff series they’re second in in the west right now I know I know and that’s what’s made me think about it every night there’s jawl yeah but jaw jaw is the eye Grabber and he plays he plays such an exciting style even more so than aunt that all it would take and and the story could be or would be that he went from the problem kid to the face of the league like what Kobe was I’m not saying he’s gonna be as good as Kobe I’m not saying that I’m just saying he is so ex he’s that exciting to watch that all it would take he’s young enough that all it would take would be some winning and he would be he he would be up there that he’s my Dark Horse I don’t think it’s likely I’m just saying he’s so different in terms of how exciting he is to play that I could see him five or six years down the road like with any of these guys even ant it’s not going to be overnight because he’s not going to win that fast in my opinion so it’s gonna take ant five or six years as well to to be that true face if he has it in him any of those young guys can do it if if they can stay healthy kind of and and and legitimately win which is harder to do in this league when you’re young but jaw would be a Darkhorse candidate like I said not likely but he’s so exciting that he could Captivate the league I if if he could do those other things this is what I’ll say then we’re GNA wrap it up I haven’t watched a lot of the Grizzlies this year I just have um eventually I watch everybody eventually whenever they play my but I just haven’t watched the grizzly they’re number two in the west which is shocking to me I didn’t think they were bounce back so quick I love absolutely love and but the people love jar rant a little more than they love just like the people love Alan Aon but I don’t think jaah has to stay who he is and I don’t think be because of that I don’t think the league will push him to the Forefront now the people will have him to the for just like look everybody Love Alan alerson for all his faults for all the [ __ ] Allan alerson comes on TV you have eyes there right people love Al so that’s how jaar’s going to be he’s going to be under deniable it’s not going to be up to the league I think this year is important so and this is why I say that traditionally in the playoffs one would play eight two would play seven so if two and seven were to go at each other right now it would be Memphis and Minnesota okay those two have to have a a match up all right um and I think that will deter DET because all eyes of course going to be in the playoffs if they meet in the playoffs that will determine who gets the edge will it be anthy Edward if they play Dallas because in that conversation yeah well I’m just talking about specifically these two I know I know right now because the people ain’t necessarily and what I mean by the people is the culture ain’t necessarily behind Luka we [ __ ] with LCA don’t get me wrong we [ __ ] with LCA hard but we got zah we got in so if these two meet in the playoffs if it’s able to happen this year whoever wins would have that slight Edge um in which I would lean towards Memphis right now because Minnesota is just a a Rick is gonna be it’s so much more exciting because you also I mean they’re undeniable and they have their own start you have to show you have to throw OKC and Shay in there yeah they number one last year they’re number one for a lot last year so I’m just saying like they’re all four young teams with star they they felt the pain last year when they got eliminated so they have to look OKC has to go to the Conference Finals this year it’s not even second round they gotta go to the Conference Finals um just like how I was hard on Luca last year and he finally got to the finals so that’s where I’m at with OKC and don’t get me wrong chat’s been out for weeks now when cck comes back I mean they’ve been winning without you know what I’m saying but because the Ed’s been playing good but when cck comes back there’s no excuses so Oklahoma has to go to the Conference Finals but if we get a Memphis and Minnesota match up in the playoffs and Memphis wins there you go that’s your answer right there so oh really quick we did have a little trade that’s official today at some point dener you went to Golden State I’m going to go on record did just stroll without freaking Championship the over the whole West over the whole West that all record Drew holiday I love you all record and my voice is leaving now Jew holiday will not bring a championship to chot State Warriors what do you think about this TR yeah I mean they just they needed some extra guard play Schroeder’s been playing good you can’t I mean it’s it’s fine it’s whatever it’s not it’s just more they’re just building you know keeping their little bit of depth they have they’re just you know being safe that’s all nothing crazy one more thing I’ll say this trade rumor is true Washington Wizards have let it be known that c is up for that’s the only one that’s true that we’ve heard okay KY is up trap for up fors the Bulls seem to be sellers too that’s probably more one person so no no one’s taking Le no one’s taking that contract um vot maybe but I know Dallas has talked with the Wizards about Lord Lord have mercy about I’m just throwing that out there okay K kma is for sale okay let me just say that so on that note we’re gonna wrap it up for this episode of the hardwood Nation Podcast please like subscribe and share our content drop comments below everyone stay safe and we are out

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