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The NHL Trade Market Is Shook | 32 Thoughts

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In this edition of 32 Thoughts, Kyle Bukauskas and Elliotte Friedman lead things off by discussing the 4 Nations Faceoff Roster unveilings. That is followed by an in-depth discussion about the NHL trade market, and how the Rangers’ memo leak fallout shook managers around the league.

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0:00 – In this edition of 32 Thoughts, Kyle Bukauskas and Elliotte Friedman lead things off by discussing the 4 Nations Faceoff Roster unveilings.
11:14 – That is followed by an in-depth discussion about the NHL trade market, and how the Rangers’ memo leak fallout shook managers around the league.
22:21 – Elliotte expands on the tampering story that he outlined last podcast.
27:10 – Delving into the Columbus Blue Jackets a bit as they’ve gone 4-0-2 in their last six.
36:45 – Kyle unpacks some interesting notes from his trip through Florida following the Leafs.
50:00 – The Final Thought Β focuses on the Boston Bruins’ centennial anniversary game between the Boston Bruins and Montreal Canadiens. Β 
1:00:24 – Kyle and Elliotte answer your questions and respond to your voicemails in the Thought Line.Β 
1:19:20 – In the final segment hear Ron MacLean and Dick Irvin Jr talk about the history of the Bruins-Canadiens rivalry.

Email the podcast atΒ [email protected]Β or call the Thought Line at 1-833-311-3232 and leave us a voicemail

This podcast was produced and mixed by Dominic Sramaty and hosted by Elliotte Friedman & Kyle Bukauskas.

The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates. Β 

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The NHL Trade Market Is Shook

32 Thoughts – Dec 2, 2024

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so now that I ran the truck over you I will resuscitate you by saying you have a point while you’re at it why you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it yeah thanks for that and yours is coming here somewhere okay I know my words welcome to 32 thoughts presented by the GMC Sierra at4 X Shati bukus fredman all with you Elliot were you the one that or rated Creed provide the tease for Hockey Night in Canada this past weekend solely for the reason of bringing up Dom’s musical choices back into the news cycle for 24 more hours you can really tell who listens to this podcast and who doesn’t Kyle by the people who got my tweet and the people who did not there were a lot of people they’re not from Seattle they’re not a grung man that’s why I knew Florida that’s why I knew that you people shame on you do not listen to the podcast actually uh Brian spear the Hawking night Canada producer was the one who called me and says you’re not going to believe he called me on Friday and he goes you’re not going to believe who’s doing the teas this week and I go who and he goes Creed and I go you’re joking and I I do believe an attempt was made or at least I don’t know if the band was asked and didn’t do it or the request was never made but I knew there was a there was a thought about do we ask them to do a promo for the Pod but but but I have a suspicion that if they were going to be asked to do it they might as be asked what this was they were being asked for and I don’t know that anyone wanted to explain why they were going to be included on the podcast yeah can you imagine well this is the reason Creed um because yeah because producer claimed you guys were a Seattle grunge band and then claimed that he did it on purpose but it was with Jared Bednar in Colorado but anyway his hair is but it was a lie yeah but anyway anyway it was it was a lot of fun when I heard I was laughing I was laughing pretty hard apparently the producer who set it up was a guy by the name of Matt costic and he was really excited he could get Creed and I’m not sure he realized how hilarious the rest of us found it considering what had happened on this pod all right let’s get to it yes okay no no I was just going to say one last final thought on that it was a great if you hadn’t realized it already a great reminder of how good Creed music and hockey footage goes together it was a heck of a way to kick off the Saturday night um okay four nations we had a lot of fun with David Amber last pod going over our rosters comparing notes and contrasting as this pod drops here Monday morning two days away from the official rosters being unveiled you got any reaction to our discussion and maybe just further discussion around those that are involved as we are coming down to crunch time the deadline is Monday and so close so close to the unveiling yes so I know one of the things the league was concerned about was that the league was concerned about the names leaking as his happened before um you know in in this in this particular situation I’ll be free and transparent the handcuffs are on me um and I think a lot of the people we work with Kyle you know were involved in the announcements actually the NHL network is doing the announcement of the Sweden and Finland team on Wednesday and we’re carrying that on sportset and then uh we’re in Canada doing the Canada and the US announcement and I will freely admit I don’t don’t mind saying it uh being honest about it the handcuffs are on us when it comes to that but they’re worried about names getting leaked and um as a matter of fact I know that uh one of the things they were considering was was making it so that the players couldn’t be told until Wednesday but I don’t think that’s happened I think people kind of know who’s getting picked and and who may isn’t uh beforehand I don’t think that’ll be until Wednesday um so uh we did get some interesting reaction um not so much from The Finnish team not So Much from the Swedish team but definitely for the Americans and the and the Canadian team and one of the things I I people really felt was you know we had some players that weren’t even uh mentioned as kind of uh names that were considered and the I think the one that most people felt we really whiffed on not even mentioning him as a consideration was Rob Thomas of the St Louis lose I I cuz I there were a number of people who felt that he would be on the team and there were a number of people who felt that even if he wasn’t on the team he would be very seriously considered so there was there was some uh Thomas there was some uh Steven Stam Coast I had a few people say um how could you not even consider him um I’ll say this um there were some people who felt that I was wrong to be as strong about Tage Thompson as I was uh you didn’t have him on your team Dave and I did um there are some people who said that they didn’t think he his spot was as secure and uh you know one of the other things uh I think people felt was that um the the US blue line that we kind of put together was quote unquote too offensive and would especially when you look at some of the players who are already there um you know I mean I think War’s had a dynamite season I know we’re going to talk about Columbus in this pod but I did have a couple people say to me that your us defense is way too quote unquote offensive I mean we’ll see we’ll see who’s right and who’s wrong I think the only thing that um people really came at us from a point of disagreement as you guys are wrong as opposed to just debating was they felt we really missed on on Rob Thomas and that was one thing that was uh said to me well it was interesting a good ation after the game Saturday down in Tampa with my broadcast colleagues Chris cuber and Craig Simpson and cuir had a great line where as he’s going through his names for Team Canada and he’s going well you got to have this guy you’ve got to have that guy and then he realizes he’s probably at 28 names when you can only have 23 he’s got 36 players on his team right right so it echoes just how how difficult it could be to finally make some decisions and can only imagine what you know Doug Armstrong and Don Sweeney and John Cooper have been going through over the the last few months but that was a funny one there of like you’re trying to think of the locks and there’s only so many spots for the locks so that’s uh all part of it what about uh Joey dord there you got to the bottom of that on Headline Saturday you know it was really funny one of my buddies called me after that segment and said you made it very clear to understand for about the first 25 words and then you made it worse so let me let me try let me try again so Joey dord as of Monday morning does not have a Canadian passport and you know I had people writing to me like what you know you can go like I’ll say someone I know I won’t say who because they may kill me um was taking a trip to Italy once and the day before realized that their passport had expired and you know you for now you can pay to get your passport done in one day and they said that you know why didn’t Joey dor do that or why doesn’t he do that and you know basically uh CU I did ask the same question it was this kind of came across everybody’s uh lap late and at that point in time like Joy dord is and the Kraken a between schedule and B between other things there’s more important stuff for him to do with his NHL team that race to Canada and get a passport so he won’t have a passport by Monday and it was decided that because that was not the case and initially basically the concept St behind it was what passport do you hold that Canada could not take him that he could not be selected on Monday now one of the things I kind of did was clarify what the injury rules are and and that is that if a player has a legitimate injury then they can be replaced up to and including February the 12th which is the first additional official day of the tournament so if Canada one of Canada’s goalies that gets selected is injured uh between being named and then and if Canada wants the cord to be the guy um he can go get a passport and as long as he has one by the start of the tournament he could be named to Canada he just can’t be named officially on Wednesday uh the other thing that was interesting about it is normally if you declare yourself for an International Ice Hockey event for a country you are with that country and because this is not an official IIHF event it’s an NHL nhlp event who if dord was to play for Canada or the United States here it doesn’t bind him to that country internationally and as you may have known by now Switzerland is also a team interested in dord because his mother was born there so if he was to play for Canada it doesn’t mean he would be locked into Team Canada for other like events like the World Championships or future Olympics so it’s an interesting one but the bottom line is he cannot be put on the roster by Monday’s deadline and he cannot be announced on Wednesday Wednesday therefore because he does not have a current Canadian passport and by the way Kyle so our producers were having a bit of a a laugh with that and Saturday night they played against San Jose and boy the sharks are becoming one of the most fun teams in the league to watch quickly and kind of surprisingly and he kind of I don’t know what he tripped over but he tripped and fell going back behind the net to uh play the puck and one of our producers was like he just got knocked knocked over by the Canadian passport office they were having some fun with that oh man well other than that I he’s had a pretty decent start to the year even though it hasn’t got great for Seattle lately how about other trade chatter around the league Elliot so we had the David Urich Saga comes to an end he’s off to Minnesota for a number of picks and a player going back Columbus’s way we had a goalie trade Scott Wedgewood and eustus ananin between Nashville and Colorado Trading Places over the weekend as well what else are you hearing out there in terms of movement and interest on GMS and trying to make their teams better the E Che one uh that one had been brewing and uh finally everybody got their wish that it was just time to move on and start somewhere else um you know I I think you know Don woodell the GM of the blue jacket can can can let everyone know if he feels otherwise but there were some teams in the Eastern Conference that really felt that wardell’s preference was not to trade him uh around them it was definitely the they felt that he preferred to trade him to the West um um like I I think there were some teams in the East that were that were part of this were interested uh Pittsburgh was one I think Philadelphia was one and you know those are two teams that are also in Columbus’s own Division and uh I I I think there were some teams in the East who felt that it was Columbus preference to just send him elsewhere um you know I I think it’s it’s an interesting player um because he was a sixth overall pick not too long ago there are clearly um some questions about his skating um but it’s way too early to give up on him and Minnesota has really assembling some really good young defenseman and you can never have too many of those so we’ll see how it turns out the one thing that’s really interesting to me about the trade market is what happened last week with the Rangers where trouba’s name got out and cder’s name got out and the Fallout after them you know so I mentioned on Saturday night that you know they beat Montreal and the Rangers were just trying to calm everything down and someone said said to me like do you think the Rangers are okay now and I said it’s not that they’re okay it’s that this week has been about containing and repairing the damage right like they still have a season to play they’ve still got 55 60 games to go you know they’re still trying to accomplish something this year uh you know they they want to kind of calm everything down so I don’t think think it’s over I don’t think it changes how they feel about some of their flaws and things they might have to address but basically what the Rangers want to do is they want to calm the noise they just want to slow things down and what happened with them last week it either spooked some teams really badly or it it gave even more strength of the teams that feel if you let something get out there it can destroy your dressing room like there were people who were pointing and and saying see that’s why we so carefully guard our secrets look what happened to those guys this week and you know I I had I had one team tell me that you you’ve got teams out there who are saying yeah we’re we’re interested in doing something okay well what are we talking about and they’re pref preferring to talk in generalities because they saw what happened to the Rangers and they don’t want that to happen to them and there are teams out there that don’t even want to mention names there are teams out there that are like like look we know who’s kind of out there right I think the canox are are out there cuz they’ve got some injuries on their blue line they want to see what they can do obviously Nashville’s been out there because the season has been such an enormous uh disappointment for them I think Philly’s been out there because you know obviously they’ve got frost out there uh they may have some more players out there they’re looking for a center they’re looking to change their mix a little bit potentially I think another team that’s been around there is Carolina looking at the goal tending even though kov is coming back Anderson’s still out I think they’ve been weighing options that they could consider and what’s available to them or not ottawa’s one although I get I get some really interesting comments about Ottawa um there are that well it’s just that some people are saying like Ottawa is willing to make changes but it’s difficult to tell how deep like do they really want to touch their core yet or do they want to just kind of either replace Zu or kind of move around the fringes right um you know ottawa’s already made some big moves are they people are wondering are they really ready to make another big one but I think otta was one of those teams in a Canadian Market very careful about what they say um so I I think that’s the kind of that’s the kind of message I get about Ottawa I think they’re one of those teams that’s very very careful about what they admit like a couple weeks ago Steve stos had the had the media conference where he says the answers got to come from in here and that may be true because they either are not ready to do anything or nothing’s close but it doesn’t necessarily mean that he isn’t calling around and seeing what’s out there so the kind of sense I get on the Senators is that they’re looking around but they’re being very careful about what they say publicly and privately um you know for example um there was you know like I I heard some teams that when Nashville said okay we’re kind of open for business and we’re looking to do some things I know he’s hurt right now but he’s the kind of player I think a lot of teams would like would be Jeremy loan but you know then I had push back I had people saying to me like Nashville doesn’t want to trade Jeremy lazon he signed at a good number and he’s a good player for them and you know he’s a player that plays physically and those players are valuable I mean another player I think is hoglander and he’s going through it right now in Vancouver um where he’s struggling to get ice time I think there are some teams that are very interested I think Pittsburgh would be one of those teams you know he signed and Pittsburgh makes a lot of sense you look at the players that Pittsburgh is collecting hoglander fits it and I can see why people think they’re very interested but I I just think this whole thing with the Rangers has spooked teams and I could tell just last weekend you know as you know Saturday’s a big phone call day for me Kyle you know just people are being really careful because they saw what happened to the Rangers and they’re like we don’t we don’t want that to happen to us you know we we saw how damaging that could be and uh you know I it makes my job harder but I I understand it I absolutely do do you think there is a lot of trust within the general managers in the league like I mean you mention that kind of almost a group chat that they have about ongoing questions or business as the season progresses like is there is there a lot of trust within you know the 32 managers that when things are discussed there uh it can stay tight or are people when they do put something out there in that space are they going there’s a good chance that this could get out somewhere you know what Kyle it’s a really good question and it’s kind of a hard one to answer um because I’m kind of in the middle of it like you could tell this week like Saturday is one of my big call days and and you could tell people were really really guarded about it um they weren’t happy um you know years ago it used to be pretty loose like I wasn’t the only reporter that would get eventually figure out who was on it or get told who was on it um other guys would get it too and I remember the GMS got really mad about it there was one in particular who sent a really snarky note to everyone on it and it kind of calmed down a bit and then there was a situation a couple years ago where like three Toronto Marley’s got on it I think Kyle dubis sent out a note saying that uh Jeremy brao and I think a couple other guys had asked for trades wanted to see if there were other options uh outside of the uh Maple EA organization and you know I reported it and I actually didn’t even realize at the time that they were specifically on the list but there was a lot of anger after that one and the general managers did a really good job of clamping down on it and it became much less frequent um and you know I think they were very serious about I think there was a concerted effort to make that list sacran and the names weren’t supposed to get out so it happened much less often and then you know last week was obviously a big one there were two big names big teams and you saw the the damage it did so I have no doubt they’ll be an effort to keep it much more quiet again but uh there’s there’s no doubt that um you know some of them were pretty upset about it and you could tell as I said earlier they’re very careful because they saw the the chaos it created for the Rangers last week so now as you say that there may be a little more tendency for the managers to speak in generalities I’m just picturing I’m sure you’re familiar with the uh the fake Elliot fredman long winding quote that sometimes makes the rounds on social media managers just speaking to each other like that like I’ve got some things I want to do and there’s some players I’m looking at but I’m not too sure what I’m willing to give up and back and forth they go well you know first of all I don’t know who wrote it I do think it’s really creative and really funny I do get a laugh out of it whenever it gets sent to me the best thing for me to say about that would be when I know something I’m pretty direct when I don’t know something exactly I live in fear of what we call radioing ourselves um and some some of that is my own fault but some of that is the way things get aggregated particular on social media so if you do hear me talking like that it’s because I’m afraid of getting radioed that’s that’s the only time I think I really talk like that well one story you definitely did not get radioed on you had it on the Pod here on Friday and then went into more detail on Saturday headlines with Ron on Hockey Night in Canada was the tampering Story the warning that the league put out to the 32 clubs uh the memo in fact that went out uh did you get some pretty good reaction from certain sectors on that report yeah it was interesting um there were some people who were happy that that got out um because they want they wanted uh people to know that uh the the league is not happy with all this um and uh they and I think even some like even some of the teams that really consider themselves sticklers for the rules they like that it got out I mean it it remains to be seen Kyle does this really have teeth to it like there are some people are just rolling their eyes at it so we’ll see but what was interesting is I got some response from some uh players and some agents about it uh because they hadn’t they weren’t aware of this obviously and some of it while some of it is targeting like team hires like coaches or front office people um a lot of it is clearly directed at July 1st and they were curious about how the NHL thought that they could do that voiding contracts expulsion and you know the memo points out that the commissioner has some very broad Powers um so you know it was just interesting the reaction to that um I didn’t think much about it um because I didn’t get a lot of reaction after it got out on the Pod but when we put it on Saturday night with the particular punishments there um I definitely got some reaction to it so I I thought that was interesting like this again there are some people who wonder how serious the league really is about this it just says to me that if they you know if they do catch uh one person uh they’re going to make an example uh out of them it also reminded me of a story somebody called me called to remind me about something that um when the Raptors were in their first year one of the things that was a big hit right away well the Raptor was the was a big hit and I don’t want to say his name because I you know I don’t know if it’s public so uh I don’t want to say who who it was but also the head of their dance team like their dance team was very good and they also started doing like a kids dance team on Sundays and I remember someone from the Raptors told me that that year they got so much tampering from other teams wanting to hire the guy who was inside the Raptor suit and also the woman who led the dance team like teams were tampering with them like crazy like no way yeah how much do we have to uh uh like what do we have to do to get you to hire like actually I did remember I think it was in some of my old notes but I lost them in a flood I think like the the Raptors actually like complained to the league about like I think it was like New Jersey or something something like that now Brooklyn that wanted to that tried to poach the head of their dance team and uh like it was like it’s like I totally for it was just funny like someone called me and when they saw this they said do you remember when this happened I was like holy smokes I totally forgot it was a great story I also whenever I see mascots I do not I don’t even it doesn’t even register with me that there is like a human inside there somewhere I’m just thinking that’s that is its own being you think the Raptor like it’s really a thunderbug like the per like that’s not a person inside of lightning it’s actually a thunderbug gritty same deal exactly it’s actually whatever gritty is it’s like a real gritty yes yes that’s how I choose to interact with them and it’s great you know what as you’re you’re very good at it I have to say you’re you’re you’re very good at it well a lot of the Arenas that we go to work in kind of where I’m posted up often times is where the team’s mascot will come and spend some time trying to get the crowd into it at at certain points of of the game so you get familiar with a few of them as you make your your rounds but going back to this whole the tampering memo you know what this is sounding like potentially what’s that free agency Cold War just the threat of what could be out there and who’s going to Blink first yeah it’s interesting it’s it’s uh it’s interesting like I always tell people if you write an email or you write a text message you have to be assuming that that thing is going to end up everywhere right yes just don’t put anything down on paper all right so we talked about the Euro Che deal a little bit earlier Elliot you want to talk about the the Blue Jackets as a team here for a moment 40 and two in their last six emotional win over Calgary at home they go into Calgary on on Tuesday night but uh there’s some really nice story is emerging as that team has has battled and and fought for some results Kent Johnson back healthy producing uh sea Monahan’s had a really nice season with everything that that’s going on uh around him what’s your thoughts and and read on on Columbus as they’re you know not going away here in the East I I I don’t know how you can’t be incredibly impressed with what they’ve done um they had every excuse uh to have a a a Bad season um every excuse and they haven’t done that and I don’t know I I mean it’s still early we’ve got a long way to go here but I don’t know that anybody would have thought that they would even be in the playoff race I think a lot of people probably thought they’d be a team that would be um just so emotionally worn down that if they had a a really bad Year everybody would have understood and we talked about wensky early uh he’s been phenomenal he’s got 26 points in 23 games he’s been a leader in every sense of the word you mentioned Monahan uh Kent Johnson now with six goals um but you know all of their young players are big parts of this like they’re all putting up really really good numbers they’re all producing um and the other thing too is if you take a look at some of the players that um kekal lanan left them like you look at the Russians marchenko has 10 goals in 23 games chikov has 14 points in 21 games and voronov has got 11 points in 14 games like like all of these guys are playing and Dante Fabro who was on the scrap Heap in Nashville he’s got six points in nine games three goals yeah and you know like all of a sudden like the thing I think about uh evison like first of all he is you may notice from me talking about this from pod to pod I am jealous of anybody who can keep a good tan over the winter I like to tan I know it may not be the healthiest thing in the world but I like to be tanned okay that guy is always tanned he’s coached in Minnesota and now he’s coaching in Columbus he always has a tan I’m in awe of anybody who can have a great Tan in February in Minnesota and Columbus um but the thing about everon is is that like I remember him as a player he was he was like a no BS Player he wasn’t the biggest guy but he’s always in great shape sh he still is and he like he played tough like you know he he knew he wasn’t the biggest so he had to be he battled like he was a like a a pretty competitive guy to play against and you know I I think as coach now like you got to be careful because the team’s been through an awful lot but you watch him during games and after games and he’s always like fighting he’s always competing in like the Montreal game they lost the other night he was Furious about the the non call with uh with Suzuki and um like like he’s one of those guys like he’s hyper competitive he’s always competing and I think it kind of draws the players in um you know I I just think that he’s done a really nice job of of con of getting the team to compete at a time where it would have been very easy easy for them not to and I think the other thing too is like I watch Monahan and you know Monahan last year uh we had a chance to go visit him and Winnipeg and he just talked about how for the first time in a long time his body felt good and you know I remember one time um he was really struggling and I was like you know I wonder if he’s ever going to get back there and Kelly Rudy who saw a lot of Monahan was around him almost every day cuz he’s part of the Flames broadcast team he would say you know you just got to be careful with him like you have no idea what his body’s been through and you know I guess sometimes we just forget how long it takes to heal especially from some of the stuff he went through and I watch him and I watch the way he’s playing 22 points in 23 games now and it’s kind of like you know if he can compete at that level and everybody knows he was the closest to goodro he went to Columbus to go play for goodro and with Goodrow and if he can compete at that level right now nobody else has any excuse not to and you know obviously it’s not easy he talks about how hard it is and but you know he’s still found a way and to me that’s incredible because I know if I was in that room and I was sitting next to him that’s what I’d be saying if this guy can play his heart out and compete to the level that he’s competing at this year I have no excuse not to do it I think that sets a tone and again I don’t know how long this is going to last Kyle but the way they’ve started the year they are much much more ahead of where I thought they’d be and I I’m I convinced I’m not alone on this no it’s a really good point and I go back to one of the things that really struck me that Dean Evon said when I went out there for their home opener at the the start of the the season was just the energy that they had that the group had how hard they were playing just been really impressive one thing to do it out of the gate and to still understand there’s a lot of hockey still to be played here but all of the emotions that they have dealt with I’m sure we’ll continue to deal with and the way that they’ have managed to harness it in a way that has provided some uh pretty remarkable results for them given the circumstances it has all been really impressive and as you’re right who knows where it’s going to all go from here uh but this is a team I think it’s at at least safe to say that are not going to cheat you on effort uh from here on out uh for the remainder of this season and and that’s something to to be admired uh given the circumstances there you know one other guy Kyle we didn’t mention Matthew Olivier oh yeah I mean seven goals 47 penalty minutes true heavyweight in the NHL today the interesting birthplace beloy Mississippi because his dad uh played uh East Coast Hockey League there um and you know he’s an unrestricted free agent after this season and you know that’s going to be an interesting one uh because right now he’s become a big part of Columbus’s identity but you know that he’s valued out there right um you know that that’s a guy who everyone’s going to look at and say h you know we could use that so it’ll be interesting to see what happens cuz he’s obviously a a huge a huge part uh of their team and a big part of the and the fans love them by the way as you mentioned they’re going into Calgary for what will be an emotional game two things I wanted to shout out Ryan Lesley for the Great Piece he did with the good Ros uh last week very well done uh very well done and secondly I believe that Jacob pel will be getting a Calgary callop he did not play for the American Hockey League Wranglers on Sunday and and I think that was because it was bubble wrap time uh he uh was sent down of the American Hockey League uh before the season he cleared waivers he could have pouted about it instead he’s got 19 points in 20 games uh for the Wranglers and they need Calgary you know it’s been tough like they they’re having trouble scoring they’re starting to bleed starting to bleed a little bit here and uh they’re hoping that pel can inject some uh inject some uh fresh air into them and he’s going to get his chance to do it also great that the goodro family will be going out to Calgary for the game Tuesday night as well yes mention that also uh before we go to the final thought Kyle I wanted to ask you you were down in Tampa for Maple e lightning this weekend anything uh interesting I mean the one thing I did not expect to see was I don’t know if you saw the one sign in the crowd that said Chris Craig and Kyle are hotties did you see that I just assume that either a you paid for it or I think Chris might [Laughter] have that’s pretty funny I hope he listens to that or somebody in there was like a pathological liar right I just I thought what very flattered but what would bring you did you go to say hi to them well I couldn’t figure out where it was just tough to where they were seated versus where I was in the building building that was the only so that was I saw a photo of it did the cameras not find it there was only the photo of it no they did cameras did you couldn’t have asked the camera person how to get there well now you’re going to make me look bad well I’m going to make you look bad because the because so basically there’s somebody here who’s got a sign that says that you guys are three hotties and your response was yeah yeah that’s true and I’m not going to go over to say thank you that is not the case at all I wanted to go I wanted I honestly wanted to go interview the person and say what possessed you to do this but it just the game got busy third period the game got a little tighter than I think we that’s true it did mhm anyway plans changed but let me let me okay let me let me def now that I have like just destroyed you on this pod let me defend you on it because I have I have been a ringside reporter many times a job I loved and really missed um you know if the Day game does get busy anything else that’s frivolous or just not a game part of the program it does get thrown into the trash bin in the sky uh so I could see how in the third period if you had planned to do that when it was 4 nothing Toronto all of the sudden when it was 4 to three you’re like we can’t do this anymore more so now that I ran the truck over you I will resuscitate you by saying you have a point yeah thanks for that and yours is coming here somewhere okay I know my words I know a couple other things I just wanted to mention to before we get to the final thought so on Sunday Quinn Hughes and you know the Vancouver Canucks considering everything that’s going on around them uh they’ve been playing very well lately Patterson’s been great Hughes has been great Sherwood’s been great um you know sudor has been excellent what what a find he has been for them um but you know I was thinking about this so Hughes passes Edler to become the uh most assists by a canox defenseman and he could double Edler edler’s number was 310 Hughes is now at 312 like Hughes could get to 600 if he’s a career-long kanuck but one of the things that I I think about when I when I think about Hughes is the 2018 draft there is so much misinformation about that draft in 2020 hindsight like it like it makes me crazy like you go back delene was one schet nikov two no issues everybody knows uh Mark bersan was going for cot kenami 3 like he was like we need a center we’re getting a center you can’t find centers we’re taking and yumy everybody knew it Brady kachuck now um everybody for the most part loves Brady kachuck few loud people in Ottawa upset but whatever everybody for the most part loves Brady kachuck and but when he got picked that night that pick got ripped ripped like you forget that you know he had you know the year the year he was drafted he had eight goals for Boston University and I remember Dorian got destroyed for that pick even in Ottawa they were like how could you take a guy who only had eight goals and it turned out to be a great pick Arizona was similar to Montreal they were like we need a center we have to get a center they took Barrett Hatton and then all of a sudden and the whole thing about Hugh is there were a lot of Red Wings fans who wanted them to take Hughes Michigan guy Hughes absolutely but what you also forget was in the moment and I remember because I was keeping notes about all this stuff Philip Zaden dropped dropped like because Montreal was zeroed in on Cami and Arizona was zeroed in on Hatton people were like how could Philip zida be dropping like these teams are stupid how can they not be taking Zena and I remember like Detroit looked at each other and they said all of a sudden like Philipi is there and he was supposed to go much higher than six and they took him and people praised Detroit for that like I remember there were people there covering the draft I remember people writing about it big steal for the Red Wings and it just didn’t work out and Hughes of course went to seven where he’s been a grand slam Upper Deck smash thousand foot home run and is going to go down as one of the greatest Canucks ever and it’s just funny like watching this on Sunday that’s why I’m so wary of draft analysis not because the people who cover prospects or cover the draft are bad I don’t believe that for a second I think they cover what they do as well as anybody covers what they do but they these kids are 18 19 20 years old like there’s so much that can go right or wrong like like I’m I’m watching right now like Conor Bard he’s taking heat like he is by far Chicago’s most dangerous player and like he’s I wouldn’t want to say he’s all by himself but there’s no one at his level around him and like I I just look I I I listen to the way people talk about Hughes and I just remember at the time there were a lot of people who thought kachak was a bad pick cuz he only scored scored eight goals and there were a lot of people who were like Detroit got the steel of the draft because Adina dropped down to them and that’s why I’m so careful with my draft stuff because a I don’t see these players as much as other people do and B these are still teenagers and so much can change but I was again I was just I was watching this stuff about uh Hughes today and you know a guy a friend of mine who likes the Red Wings is like what a disaster this was we could have had Hughes and this guy was one of the same guys was like back then he’s like zadina fell to us steal of the draft and I’m like yeah get out of here with this garbage anyway it just kind of reminded me uh of it anything else happened down in Tampa uh you know what it was a grave reminder of as Tampa had a pretty good start to the season uh they do not have the depth that they once did when a guy like Nikita cra is not available in their lineup that very much was was evident on Saturday even though they did make a late push to try to tie that game you know what the one thing I’m really fascinated by on the Toronto side as we move forward here the relationship between Craig barui and William nander like that’s going to be a fun thing to continue to watch I mean there was a thing you know couple weeks ago nander coming out and saying I talked to him about wanting more ice time to get into a rhythm and bruy had a funny line about it after they practiced in Fort Lauderdale on Friday uh but I just watched them in practice uh the communication the chatter that seems to be going on between the two of them and uh talking to Buu there Saturday morning you could tell as he said he goes I I I really like getting to know neander he’s an easy person to talk to you know he likes that he’s someone that that’s honest that comes right out and says something like hey I I want more ice time but of course it’s a situation where you’ve got to earn it uh just you look at on the the surface on paper two completely different personalities but they seem to be meshing quite well here in in the early going I’m just I’m I’m really intrigued to watch that one uh develop well naner did a really good interview that was released last week with uh sharp magazine uh you know it was it was really well done it was you know what he said was like raw meat to the Toronto fans right he he basically just said I signed here because I want to be part of the team that wins the cup here that’s it and that’s the answer um you’ve got to give um you know I I I’ve talked about this with you before um you know you look at New Jersey right now their points percentage is 630 Toronto’s is 652 I think both those teams are very happy with where what they’ve got in terms of coaches Keef you know it comes time like it’s time and it was time for Keef in Toronto but I think he’s got a chance to be extremely successful in New Jersey I think he’s a really good coach just like it was time for baru in St Louis but I think he’s got a chance to be really successful in Toronto because of his personality I think it’s really interesting when Keef was hired in Toronto when he got when he took over for Babcock somebody who knew the Marley’s really well told me um that it’s going to be interesting to see what’s going to happen between Keef and neander and I said why is that and they said because there was nobody the American Hockey League that Keith was tougher on than neander and I think that continued uh through their time together um and I think neander is pretty stronge headed too he can handle it um but you know the the one thing that I think is interesting is that the people who are around the Leafs they tell me that the biggest difference between ke and baru is what they’re like when the games are not on like you have seen baru during games getting on the players like he’s pretty simple if you if you give him an effort and you work he’s not going to have a problem with you things may not go right but he can you know a guy who played a thousand games in the NHL the way that Craig baru played he could understand that things won’t go right or won’t go wrong right all the time but he what he can’t understand is if you don’t play hard and you don’t compete that’s what makes him mad and you obviously Kei the same way they say the biggest difference between Keefe and baru rub is what they’re like when it’s not a game and you know Keith was intense almost all the time very intense guy almost all the time baru is not like that um you know he’s when when the games aren’t on he’s relaxed um he’s like how you doing and I think that that is probably what what people in and around the team have told me is that that’s the biggest change in Toronto is that when the game’s not on just less tense because he’s not wired that way and they say it not to insult Sheldon Keefe or to say that that makes Sheldon Keef a bad guy it’s just that that’s their biggest personality difference um you know someone else uh said to me joke that baru has got no use for laptops that was one of their funny lines about baru uh but um you know they they just said that you know that’s that’s the difference and I think that uh I think you’re see you’re around Toronto more than I am and you’re probably seeing that no question no question and it was a little bit it honestly caught me off guard a bit initially just because so used to seeing how intense buuy can be on the bench during games and you kind of have that impression of of the guy and getting to know him a little bit more away from that uh whether even just in the regular media scrums he does or the conversations away from from those moments too uh completely completely different it’s been it’s been cool you can see why things are are clicking here for Toronto and got some big help over the weekend and the five on five scoring is back go figure boy boy did Nick Robertson need that one you could hear a scream all the way to California and home Ontario I was going to say I think it’s still echoing through Emily Arena all right well why don’t we get to the final thought then which is presented by GMC and Sunday m afternoon the Centennial anniversary game Boston Bruins Montreal Canadians oh what a great scene I tried to catch what I could of the ceremony and the game as I was traveling back home to Ottawa from Tampa Elliott but you were there working it with Ron and Kelly and Rick bonus who did a great job again on the panel over the weekend uh double duty for you gentlemen so the Bruins did not let the Canadians ruin their parade like you suggested before the game just like they did when they faced Maroons on December 1st 1924 they beat the hab 63 Charlie McAvoy two goals Charlie Coyle two goals there was the lengthy ceremony beforehand that I think touched all the right notes uh first off do you have a thought on on the day itself and and what you saw there in Boston well I wanted I wanted to say that it was really smart of I don’t often say our producers are smart because they’re not but I thought our producers were very we very smart to have Gary gy there um you know Gary played for the Bruins he showed the one high of the overtime winner I I told him I I never knew you could jump that high and he laughed and he said once um but you know him and John Bartlett and Shawn McKenzie did a great job but it was it was really smart of our guys to have Gary gley there um it was it was a fun broadcast I I I really enjoyed it watching the players go out and high five all of the older Canadians uh in the sorry all of the older Bruins uh in the hallway was a really nice touch like you see them going by and fist pumping Bobby or and philas bazito and Johnny buck and and uh Terry O’Reilly and and Rick Middleton like it was it was a a really really nice touch and it was a really well done uh little ceremony and when you know I always love watching old hockey highlights but you know the one of Milbury with the shoe and uh and John wiing threatening the the hardford bench like that is that is one of the most like you want to look back at like badass hockey highlights of all time that one with John wiing threatening the Whalers bench that that is maybe the most badass hockey highlight of of all time and I just love it I every time I see that I just I’m ready to run through a wall um but you know I really they asked me a couple of weeks ago if I wanted to work it and I was like absolutely and then they asked me to do a like my alltime Bruins starting lineup and so it was I love doing it so I wanted to do some older players and some newer players and so my goalie and and and Kyle you can tell me if you disagree with any of my selections but um my uh we just went through this yes you can do it again uh so my goalie partially because he’s got one of the all-time great nicknames is Mr zero Frank brimi he was my Bruins goalie two-time Stanley Cup champion 1939 and 41 uh two-time vzna Trophy winner cder winner Hockey Hall of Famer um Kelly and Rick disagreed they picked Tim Thomas uh Rick for very personal reasons unfortunately because he was on the Vancouver bench in 2011 Ron went with Jerry chers but I went with Frank brims agree or disagree there I feel like it’s Friday all over again like they’re all great picks I’m not disagreeing with you no like a two-time Stanley Cup champion but it’s okay you can say I like someone better like that’s fine no and and I always like it’s tough like I didn’t watch brimi play I didn’t watch chers play I watched Nei did I genius but uh oh you didn’t oh sorry I thought that was when you were turning 13 yeah [Laughter] I thought for sure no bmic is a great pick Elliott okay uh but like I understand why somebody would take a different goalie like I understand the other picks for defense you know I took Bobby yor and Ray bour kind of tough to argue with those but you know as we were talking about later like their second pair is probably zido charara and Eddie Shaw who’s one of the few players to win the heart TR trophy multiple times and you know how many teams if your number two pick your number two pair was charara and sha they would be better than almost everybody else is number one so bour and or are to me no-brainers but as a big Char mark it was kind of tough to leave him off and my forwards I put Fest bazito of course uh I put Patrice berser on and you know I was watching Sean interview berson like I’m just convinced like when I see him like I’m not of the same species as Patrice berson he just looks too good and Too Perfect like we are not both the same like I’m something else he’s much more evolved than I am but my third and you know people could say Cam Neely people could say the ultimate Brewin mil Schmidt like I totally understand but when I was a kid I loved Rick mid like the the guy who had the best flowing hair on the NHL was of course gilf Flur there was nobody better than gilf Flur with no helmet but for me Rick Middleton was close and when I was a kid I saw Boston play Toronto at mapa Gardens and Middleton skated through the entire team beat the goalie but put it off the post and all the time like his hair flying in the background and I was hooked on this guy and um you know he had a great career his career he he still had 900 and something points but his career came to an early end because he took a puck off the head in practice and was never the same towards the end but uh Nifty uh as he was known was such a skilled amazing to watch player like you go down a YouTube rabbit hole and watch some of his goals like they are just brilliant and I said you know what it’s my team I’m putting Rick Middleton on it even ahead of the likes of Cam Neely and and mil Schmidt so I don’t know if you if there’s anyone else you felt was more deserving or different but I was putting Rick Middleton on my team yeah I may have leaned more towards Milt Schmidt I get it I get it I but I also love the personal reason why you put Middleton down like you can’t unless you live that as your own personal childhood Nostalgia like no one can take that from you that stuff is really cool I love that I appreciate you uh being so charitable um but uh it was fun like I it was it like those are broadcasts that are really fun to do um they were really it was those Bruins uniforms look spectacular it for me like to me that’s always going to be the the uniform of the Bruins they they really look spectacular and um you know at the beginning we were all sitting there wondering how could they not put marand out there and then you realized Joe sacko he put out six Americans he had uh Trent Frederick he had Charlie Coyle he had cast who’s been a tremendous player for them and then he had on the blue line he had makoy and Jordan ostle uh who’s from Michigan and then he had Swan and goal and I thought that was a really good touch too tough weekend for Montreal some of the reporters I know who were in New York on Saturday told me they’d never seen Jeff Gorton that mad like Marty s Louie didn’t yeah he clearly had a message he wanted to deliver post game but people said they’d never seen Jeff Gorton that angry uh after uh a game before but um you know it was tough like they got they got bombarded right away Kaden Primo he gave up uh what five goals and I actually thought he battled really hard but uh they got blown out in that one you know when you’re when you’re the other team on a ceremony you probably should get bombarded early and Montreal did yeah and I think if my memory serves I believe I did two cuz last year they did different Centennial nights the Bruins did over the course of last season where they kind of honored different eras of of Bruins hockey over the last 100 years and on two occasions on Saturdays Montreal was in Boston for those games and so sat through the pregame ceremony for two different eras of Bruins hockey and and it just so happened that I I worked both of those games Elliott and and similar to Sunday did not go well for Montreal so they sit through the pregame ceremony beforehand so in November last season Boston wins 5-2 and then in January they go back there on another Saturday another pregame ceremony and they lost 9 to4 to Boston and then they get beat 6 to3 here so so what you’re saying is that Montreal is really happy this is all over yes that’s right they may be happier than some of the Bruins fans uh 100th anniversary is comeing gone and we should mention that uh Ron mlan and Dick Irvin did a great interview about the history of the Bruins and we and Ed Hall again a producer coming up with a good move which is rare but a uh edly on this podcast so Ed Hall came up with the idea like this is so good why don’t you put it on the Pod and and it’s it’s we’re going to put it on the end so if you’re really interested in the history of the of the of the Bruins can Canadian rivalry there’s nobody better than Dick Irvin and Ron certainly drew it out of them great yes we will that was the final thought brought to you by GMC we’ll take our first break here now we’ll come back with a thought line you’re listening to 32 thoughts don’t go [Music] anywhere okay welcome back time now for the hotline phone number to call 1833 311 3232 or you can submit an email at 32ths sportsnet.ca Elliott anything you need to clear the deck of before we get into today’s batch no I I think we’ve been clearing the deck quite a bit lately so let’s just uh let’s just go with what the audience has given us all right we’ll begin with Danny hi Elliot Kyle and Dom huge fan of 32 thoughts and listen to every episode thank you Danny here’s a question for you how much emphasis do NHL teams place on hockey IQ during player evaluation Are there specific traits or drills they use to measure a player’s decision-making and adaptability also in your opinion Who currently has the highest hockey IQ in the NHL thanks for the great content I look forward to every episode I’m sure well I’ll see if you agree with this or not not but my sense is with that stuff because it’s a little abstract Elliot it’s I mean it’s a lot of it’s not an exact science for Scouts and people in management when trying to identify players particularly when getting ready for a draft so it’s a lot of just watching and the thing is back in the day you don’t have to go that far back you know there was some separation with skating ability with shooting ability and that kind of helped you know differentiate but now everyone can skate by and large everyone can rip the pill so you’re just looking with the eyes a lot of the times how are they handling certain situations where do they go in certain situations uh different sequencing on the ice and try to make your best judgment from there but as I say it’s it’s definitely not an exact science for a trait that is so hotly talked about and coveted well I remember a few years ago Arizona they started bringing like video into their interviews and they would ask players what are you thinking here like what are you doing here or I I can’t remember it was specifically that player they would show them video of their own plays and say what was what was your thought process or they would just show them plays in general and say what would you do in this situation but it was something like that and at the time other people kind of made fun of them and now more and more teams are doing that I think one of the ways they try to test um hockey sense is is an exercise like that one I think hockey sense is considered very important I know there are GMS who think that that’s the most important thing that you need to deal with that you need to see in a player is hockey sense it’s interesting like I I know people who think it can be taught I know people who think it can’t be taught but one of the things they definitely do in interviews is is kind of say okay here’s a play what would you do or what are you thinking in the middle of this so I I definitely think they’ve come a long way and trying to quantify it and they absolutely do think it’s very important do you have a pick for who would be at the top for you in the league today I mean gez like there are some Geniuses out there but I’ve always been a big Patrick Kane guy I I would have to say I think there’s there’s probably people around his level but Kan to me is a guy who’s still at the top of the game the way he thinks it yes you say there’s a lot a lot of answers you could go with I lean Nikita COV in Tampa that’s a good one too I can’t argue with that like remember the interview you did with Nathan McKinnon last year who was his favorite player to watch he said COV then what did you say like the the top players favorite player kind of thing right right and we’ve heard John Cooper go on and on about you know the meetings with COV over the years where they’re sitting in his office and his they’re watching video and his suggestions or what he’s seeing and he’s going I didn’t even realize that was an option he was just operating and continues to operate at a a different level it still bugs me that I asked him last year at the allstar game if we he would come on the Pod and he says I don’t like [Laughter] podcast that was that was a deep cut yeah wi I still feel oh the stitches they still haven’t healed I’m sure I’m sure you’re not the first he’s turned down no I know but still it’s funny yes all right Danny good question thank you for that up next Nate from Nashville hey Elliot Kyle Dom and the illustrious Griffin two simple questions today when does the rule book get reviewed yearly only during CBA negotiations yearly GM meetings Etc Has there ever been a time where the rule book is reviewed without any changes being made love the Pod keep up the great work and go PRS first of all great question secondly there is a process that you have to go through to change the rule book I think the short answer was they look at things all the time they will say okay what do you think about this what do you think about that like this year was actually a a really busy year they made a whole bunch of recommendations and Rule changes that took effect this year one of them was coach’s challenge adding some situations to it uh another one was the line change following def I mean defensive team could not make a line change if the goalie accidentally dislodges the net um and they also change the sitting on the boards thing with you getting one warning and then if you did it again during play it’s a bench minor and one of the things that came up was they wanted to change that rule last year during the season but there’s a process you have to do for this first of all it has to go through the competition committee which involves players and managers and a coach and if it’s approved by them it has to be approved by the GMS and then it has to be approved by the Board of Governors although that’s generally a rubber stamp so um you you have to go through a process like they wanted to changed that player sitting on the boards one during the season last year but they were reminded you can’t just unilaterally change the rule without going through this process so there is a way you have to do it now one thing that happens from time to time is that um as someone said to me sometimes this process is a pain in the butt like you just don’t want to go through it and you want to be able to change something without quote unquote fundamentally changing the rule so you don’t need the all the approval but you can change in the interpretation and where that happened an example of that someone sent me a note if you go back to last season they did what was called a clarification of the offside Rule and for who shot the puck into the netting like before that it didn’t specifically say which team was eligible to challenge for sending the puck into the netting and they basically added in that both teams are eligible to challenge and that was not specific to the rule book before so they just threw it in there the other one that was changed was the offside rule it was they said it was updated or clarified and there was new wording when a player goes off for a line change in the attacking Zone during a delayed offside and that one they didn’t have to go through a formal change it or the formal process it was just an update or a clarification so that’s the way it works they look at these things all the time this year had a really high number of changes but if you’re going to actually change a rule book without what’s called an update or a clarification you have to go through the proper process great great Insight Nate great question yeah very good question all right up next Lucas from Pei ring a bell ell uh oh uhoh I know where this is going Lucas is going to be in a foul mood right well no here we go you ready yeah hello Kyle and Leadfoot fredman this is Lucas from Prince Edward Island AKA Andrews coworker firstly I guess I now Andrew a coffee or maybe even a cold one secondly Elliot you have nothing to worry about in PEI we would welcome you anytime to enjoy our amazing seafood and scenery oh cuz I’m going to I’m actually going there this summer uh you are my wife has always want yes my wife has always wanted to go to The Inn at Bay Fortune for one of their meals there and it’s taken me almost 16 years but I’m finally getting around to doing it so we’re actually going in July so Lucas I promise to obey all speed limits and rules of the road I think between him and Andrew you’re going to have an escort right to the hotel so Lucas goes on to say to add to Andrew’s question about players scoring on Hockey Night in Canada I was curious if you guys knew which broadcaster has been on the most Hockey Night in Canada broadcasts in recent memory Ron mlan seems like the easy answer but with it it’s long history I suspect it may be someone else thanks guys and would love to finally get on the Pod even though Andrew beat me to it lastly Go Leafs Go I and you know it’s funny in pi you never know are these Leaf fans are these Canadians fans or Bruins fans because the Bruins have a huge Maritime following well I would have to say now I I would have to say Ron first of all Ron’s been the air for now almost 40 years and he’s on every night during the playoffs almost and there’s a lot more broadcast than there ever were like it used to be there weren’t anywhere near as many as there are now like I can’t see anybody who has been on more broadcasts than Ron has the only one that would challenge him I think would be the late Bob Cole well you know what Bob Cole was was who I thought too because he was around for 40 years years um you know the thing is Bob was on almost every Saturday so was Ron and then Bob in the playoffs you know he’d be on a lot but not as much as Ron is so I wondered if with all the playoff broadcasts Ron would have caught him I I agree with you that Bob is probably the next likely answer but I would say that Ron has probably caught him so have you ever stumbled across her scene they’ve got social accounts and also a website unnecessary Sports research no I haven’t but I love the idea even without knowing what it is so I’m not sure who is behind it but it is effectively an entire database keeping track of which broadcasters are working nationally televised games hockey or everything Canada US Hockey basketball football baseball and so their NHL counts in Canada and the US and you’re right there’s an asterisk with Ron’s name because they don’t count Studio stuff it’s looking at the venues so they’ve got they’ve tracked like the days when Ron would work Sidelines but uh and I’m not sure how accurate these numbers are but they do a lot of work in keeping track of everything so for instance like they’ve got for Canadian NH play-by-play broadcast in history Bob Cole is at first 1723 cuthber and second 1373 you can even slide over to reporter host number seven on the list Elliot fredman at 412 really I I’m I’m surprised I would be that High um you think cuz you did it for quite a while yeah 20 years now now um but I but think of all of the people at Hockey Night who’ve been around like Kelly’s been around longer than I have um then you think of like you think of Ron you think of Danny Gallivan Don Cherry uh Bob Cole Harry Neil um I I you know I would think even you know Chris cuthber was there and came back Jim Houston um you know I was thinking you know even one of your regular Partners Craig Simpson like you know he’s been around for a long time now yes and also worked in the states at Fox when it first launched that’s right I forgot about that so I I think the thing with me is I’ve been in the rink and I’ve been in studio um and I’m on a lot during the playoffs but I would like I wouldn’t if like off the top of my head I I wouldn’t think I’m in the top 10 well according necessary Sports search you are you know you know what that means Kyle what’s that people have been unfairly subjected to me for a long time ah well I’m glad you’re starting to [Laughter] realize but anyway yeah interesting question very inter good question but I I don’t think Ron is a a bad answer at all no I I have to think I I really have to think that Ron would be number one I I would be surprised if he wasn’t all right Lucas way to stick with it see you in July Lucas okay we’re gonna wrap with a voicemail Bob from Richmond BC love the podcast listen to it all the time and I just wanted to ask about uh the Joel thoron getting his jersey retired by San Jose obviously Patrick Marlo’s already retired by that franchise I recall both players went one two in the 97 draft has this ever happened where two successive players chosen in the draft had their jerseys retired by the same franchise I thought that was a very unique thing anyways hope all was good and thank you for taking this call all right do you want a guess first yes that first of all I like I love that question like that is a great question great question okay so I’m gonna say by your reaction that yes it has happened before no it has not happened it has not happened by players going one two in the same draft having their jerseys retired by the but but but has it happened with players being drafted one spot apart or right next to each other being retired by the same team well I didn’t get the answer to that but I do have so thoron and Marlo in 97 there were two other draft years where the players that went first and second that year have their numbers retired somewhere not by the same teams but their jerseys are retired in the NHL uh by a franchise so what he’s asking has never happened but it has happened before in different markets in different markets all right okay so let me think one eternity later Mike madano Trevor Lindon very nice nice what year was that 88 or 89 what year was that 88 such conviction yeah I just because you know what the first one I thought of was actually the one of the loaded drafts 79 but you know one two was Rob ramage and I think Perry Turnbull was second so that wouldn’t be it okay um okay I need I need I need help is it before or after lynon madano before 1 hour later you know what I’ll tell you this you know what else I thought of but it’s not correct because you forget he wasn’t drafted by the Kings Gila Flur Marcel Deion because Dion was drafted by Detroit that was the other one that popped into my head but that’s the that’s the correct answer because he does have his number retired even though he wasn’t drafted by the Kings I was thinking I think God talk about walking through the back door into a right answer nicely done all right so that was what 1971 71 my goodness that’s impressive I I I was so confused by the end of what I was thinking I thought I got the wrong answer but it was right I feel that it’s not the first time this has happened too where it was either you thought you were wrong or you misheard the question but still found your way to the uh the pot of gold at the end I’m this is very on brand for me Kyle is to get the right answer with a totally horrendous methodology believe me that that works for me yeah so great question by Bob and uh he was right to thinking it was unique and that it has never happened before thoron and Marlo 1 and 2 and 97 now both their numbers hang from the rafters in San Jose that’ll do it for this edition of the thought line a reminder 1833 311 3232 3 two thoughts at sportsnet.ca thank you to Griffin Porter who helps curate these each and every week he continues to tell us Elliot that the inboxes are jam so thank you thank you to everyone that takes time to write in we apologize we can’t get them all on the Pod uh but we just again we’ve talked about it before but can’t stress enough we appreciate uh your dedication and interest to interacting with us each and every week back to wrap after this [Music] [Music] all right welcome back as promised uh in case you missed it on Sunday and you haven’t had a chance to to catch it anywhere online yet in the Le up to that uh centennial celebration game in Boston on Sunday afternoon Ron mlan spent a good chunk of time chatting with Mr Dick Irvin Jr a longtime broadcaster part of Hockey Night in Canada for so many years called so many great Montreal Canadian Boston bruan contests over his time behind the microphone at 92 years young dick IR Jr is and you just as you’ll hear unbelievable recall and memory he still has for all of the stories and uh the Legends in the game over the last 100 years in Boston so here now the conversation with uh R mlan and Mr Dick Irvin Jr well if it’s an occasion show on Hockey Night in Canada such as a hockey day or a tribute to the rocket or Jean Bello or Gila Flur guess who comes on the show dick so great to see you uh what are you feeling when we celebrate the matchup Boston Montreal today well uh thanks for having me back home uh as it were um few feelings Ron uh I started to think about the the wonderful players that were in the uniforms of both teams going right back to while the first time that they played ho Moren was playing for the Canadians and two years after that when the Bruins were in business Eddie Shaw joined the Bruins so in the early days of this rivalry you had Eddie Shaw and how Mor playing against each other now if you’re going to make a Christmas tree out of legendary names that’s pretty good way to start I’ll tell you that much with those two and it sort of just continued over the years I mean the first I can remember being of an age that I am uh was in the’ 40s and you know the Boston fans had the cro line to cheer for Schmid dumart Bower Montreal had the punch line to cheer for lock Blake and reard uh and so it went into the you know you had the the Esposito and or era when John Bela was still playing uh you ended up with Raymond bour you’re doing the games with Raymond bour on one blue line Larry Robinson on another there always were that so many times during this rivalry the the best players at their now there’s a lot of other best players around the league I grant you that but it just when those teams would play there was so often that they were incidentally Milt Schmidt might have been one of the great or was one of the greatest hockey players I ever saw he was absolutely wonderful he dominated the first All-Star game was played 1947 in in Toronto All Stars against the Leafs and my dad coached the all star and he made mil Schmidt the captain of the team he was just an absolutely wonderful hockey player and to me set the tone for the Bruins for years to come you know apparently Elmer lock and Milt were like Buddies the bitterest of Rivals but buddies and I I think of Johnny Bower and Gordy house the only other pair I can think of like that was that true oh yeah they they used to Holiday together with their wives in the summertime and yet in the in the wi in the winter time when they were playing against each other number one centers on each team it was war and yet you know in fact mil Schmidt told me the when Elmer loock scored the winning goal in 1953 and overtime to win the Stanley Cup for the Canadians against the Bruins they face off and milk told me when I wrote one of my books he said as we’re waiting for the referee to drop the puck we’re talking about where are we going to go for our holiday this year we better get working on it now something they dropped the puck and about a minute about a minute and a half later Elmer lock scores the goal that won the cup for the Canadians so yeah and that was but they were they were the best at their positions at that time and you know it’s it just seemed if you want to just sit down and go through year by year uh there was a lot of good ones well 42 the cro line being uh paraded and serenaded off to War uh were you old enough to have a grasp of that tell tell the viewer about how special well I was 42 I was 10 years old going to school in Regina so I really didn’t get to see him and in fact when I move when we moved to Montreal Bobby bar had retired but Woody dumart still played he was one of the best defensive forwards used to check Gordy how in the rocket all the time later in his career and of course Milt was Milt I sort of saw him toward the end of his career but as I say he was magnificent as a hockey player he was really good and then along with the the uh players there’s the games certain games the first time that I saw Montreal and Boston play I was 10 years old we were down for Christmas from Regina to visit my dad who was coaching the Canadians he was in his second year of coaching the Canad Canadians I guess it would be no third year third year and they had us they were having a rebuild sounds familiar today um and there were young players would play a few games here and there to try out uh uh for the team and this one night the night that we were there first game after Christmas one of the new players scored a goal on Frank brimsek who was the goal tender for the Bruins they called him Mr zero what happened the nicknames um and he scored a goal in the second period later in that same period he was body checked by a Boston defenseman named Johnny Crawford right at Center Ice good standup clean body check the kid went down didn’t get up he broke his leg so his career was his season was over because Seasons would end in the end of March in those days you told me brimon and so maybe the best the best Boston goalie they have a few yeah hold on he he he he was terrific and so the kid doesn’t play the rest of the year came back the next year uh good thing he did for hockey uh changed his number from 15 to n and his name was Maurice Rashard changed his name to Rocket a little later after that than the rest is history as they say so that was the first time I saw those two teams play and Morris Rashard broke his leg in the game incidentally Johnny Crawford the defenseman for Boston that that delivered the check was the only player in the league at that time wearing a helmet and he wasn’t wearing it for protection he wore it because he was bald and he didn’t like people to see him bald playing hockey so he wore a helmet that’s why I have one on at hockey Day in Canada dick you know so your dad got hired in 40 as you said uh worst team in the NHL were the Montreal Canadians that’s really hard for folks to imagine but he transforms them and now 52 you were telling me the Rocket scores the winning goal after being koed in the same game 52 the goalie for B you go on you tell the whole story well it was game seven semifinals at the Montreal Forum and in the second period rocket has a collision with a Boston player named Leo labine and I don’t know if it was laine’s stick that hit his head or he hit his head on the ice but he was not cold and he was gone it wasn’t playing now here they are game seven their best player is somewhere getting treated and he’s not playing in the game and they figured he was gone for the night and my dad used to tell me the story how he was at behind the bench at one end and the other end of the bench was led to the dressing room and so on and suddenly with about 3 minutes to go in the game he looks down to that end of the bench and here comes rocket out of the the hallway and sits down at the end doesn’t say anything to him doesn’t wave at Himes he just sits down so my father went over to him and he said are you okay and he said yes I’m okay so the next stoppage in play my dad puts him on Face Off in the Canadian Zone on the right wing they go up the ice I think it was but Bard the defenseman who started the play and Rocket gets the puck on the right side swings wide around the defense Boston defense Bill quacken Bush and Bob Armstrong and goes right into the gold crease against sugar Jim Henry the Boston goalie and scores what most of us thought think is the most able goal of his career he scores he comes he’s been knock cold and the Canadians win the game and move on to the Stanley Cup finals which they lost to Detroit but he that that the atmosphere of all of that happening and to his dying day run Morris Rashard did not remember the game the play or the goal so you know he wouldn’t have scored it today he’d have been in concussion control or whatever they call it yeah to the greatest photo that was amazing yeah yeah him well two good ones with was him scoring the goal of the crease but more the better one was him and sugar Jim shaking hands when the game was over two battered Warriors both had black eyes I think it was J Jim Henry got a black eye somewhere remember you and I were at a at a centennial Sports dinner in in Winnipeg in the year 2000 and sugar Jim Henry was in the audience that night and what a thrill it was for me to meet him he was a terrific guy yeah so that was uh and then sugar Jim was also the goalie when Elmer lock scored the goal we talked about before that won the cup for the Canadians and that was the very next year so there you had those two teams in big playoff series so many times of and in my broadcasting days I probably did okay the Montreal Forum was my home rink for my the team I was involved with but I think the second rink that I did most of my broadcast had to be Boston the old Boston Garden really and a couple of years toward the end in the new building but because they were always playing in the playoffs those teams you know people don’t realize it now but you take in the in the 50s when there was a six Team league the teams played each other seven 14 times and when they would play in a playoff series seven games as the Canadians and the Bruins did many times they would play each other 21 times you know when you think about it that’s uh times have changed obviously uh Chicago Blackhawks play here once this year and I think it’s the last game of the season season in Montreal so uh yeah that was so you got to know these players and the big rivalries and so you didn’t see milk SMI in the Bruins this week they’re back in two weeks and it was great to see that sort of thing well first on sugar Jim Henry so excited to see you in Winnipeg uh that was amazing Rainer and him there was a school for goalies up in canora right Lake of the Woods uh so they all I mean a lot of the best went through and met with sugar Jim okay we got to go to Bello uh and Boston and that’ll lead to a little bit of work as well but uh 1971 dick you and I agree on this the greatest playoff series of all time is the first round series between Montreal Boston Bruins have won game one they’re up 5 to one in game two and uh you take it from there well I don’t know the greatest yeah it was pretty good um yeah 5-1 the Canadians had a rookie goldendent Dryden and Al McNeil the coach used him in game two after they lost the first game I think it was 3 to one and 5-1 boss two minutes to go in the second period it’s all over right in the games in Boston and Henry reard scored a goal for the Canadians right at the end of the second period to make it 5-2 okay big deal it’s h the big bad Bruins are leading uh 5-2 with one period to go final score Montreal seven Boston five and I think that was the game they where they won the Stanley Cup was that night and Bello took over Big John that Year Phil Esposito had scored 76 goals and 76 games and it was Jean Bello’s last year and Jean had scored 76 points that year to lead the Canadians and espo had 76 goals and but John was magnificent in that third period and he scored a goal and he set up I think Frank mahovich and maybe John Ferguson I don’t know uh it was quite a game as it turns out obviously and Montreal went on to win the Stanley Cup so yeah because that was the or Esposito era in Boston which was fabulous for the Brew and their fans and so you had those two guys and one so I I kind of looked at that as you know the old lion left the scene Bello the Young Lion Esposito and then Bobby they established themselves as the new superstars of the game quite a quite a time in hockey at that those particular years early 70s and lastly dick why I mentioned Ray bour in in that connection is Bello of course Captain when he was captain of the Habs Louise reated his fan mail and when he moved up to the second floor and became an executive with the Canadians from 71 to ‘ 93 Louise became his executive assistant when he retired he presented her with something he knew she would love and it was a signed autographed photo of a player and it was Ray Bor of all things it wasn’t a Montreal Canadian so he gave a team Canada Jersey photo but uh that’s that’s how much he thought and she thought of Raymond bour and you kind of picked that out of all your Bruins goals for some reason Bor why well there was a game and I don’t know the year or anything it was a a mid-season game regular season in Boston it was an afternoon game because I think it was President’s Day in the United States it was a holiday of some kind and it was a very good game and at the end of two periods Montreal is leading by two goals Boston comes out totally dominates the third period and the Bruins tie the game and the crowd is it’s very the atmosphere in the old Garden is electric was a great afternoon for hockey and with about a minute or so to go in the game Ray Bor gets the puck they’re tied now and he starts off in his own end and I don’t know why I all the games I broadcast this is one I really remember this play and he starts and he beats a couple of Canadian players on the way up the ice and as I’m calling the game on the radio at that point um I a funny thought I had a funny feeling I said he’s going to score and he’s car remember how he used to win the target shots in the All-Star Game four pow pow pow pow R he he would win those things it was amazing how he could get there and he must have a comfort zone somewhere around the Blue Line because instead of carrying it all the way into the net for example he just winds up sort of just like he was in the All-Star Game and he just lets it Fly and in it went Bruins win game over a play that as I say everybody probably has forgotten it but me it was but that’s the kind of a player he was and he was he was one of the best and the Canadians are playing against a guy who grew up in their backyard yard here in Montreal and he ends up being a superstar for the Boston Bruins well it’s funny I asked Rick bonis uh on Saturday night about best shot he ever experienced either as a player or in his 2700 games behind a bench and he picked bour so you’re on to that listen uh between your father Hockey Hall of Fame father as a player and yourself as a broadcaster you’ve got the century covered you you’ve laid eyes on every moment in in Boston and you had that little perch at the Garden right couldn’t be better so thank you so great any chance you get to hear from from Mr Dick irvan Jr thank you gentlemen for that conversation that’ll do it for today’s episode of 32 thoughts the podcast a reminder live show coming up in January out in Canmore in the leadup to hockey Day in Canada we are giving away 10 pairs of tickets to that show if you want them here’s the criteria it’s very simple you phone into to the thought line 1833 311 3232 you leave your best either Elliot fredman and impression or Kyle bascus impression we’ll pick the winners uh in the December 23rd edition of the podcast and hope to see you in Canmore at Silver Tip Golf Resort for the live show all right couple things to keep an eye on the network this week in terms of hockey to watch the Edmonton Oilers are in Vegas Tuesday night big game there 10:00 Eastern 8:00 mountain time that can be seen nationally on sportset 1 and this week’s edition of Scotia Bank Wednesday night hockey Nashville is in Toronto to face the Leafs it all gets underway the pregame show 7 Eastern for Pacific enjoy the hockey this week and we will talk to you again on Friday [Music]


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